Although I agree with the sentiment, most of the worlds oxygen is made by the ocean.

Somehow I think subby would feel just fine in ignoring that Brazilian logger and climate change.

/and then he'd pick up the soccer mom and take her back to his sprawling double wide for a night of hot Faux News watching

I'm pretty sure that I've heard "deforestation" mentioned as a big problem. Many, many times.

dnrta but agree with the headline.

Agree or disagree with Greenpeace but at least the have the nads to take the fight to the whalers at sea, not patting themselves on the back at the local Starbucks biatching about the latest Long John Silvers faux crab meat value meal.

Screw the environment...I pick on Giant SUV driving soccer-moms because they're farking overly self-centered assholes (generally).

Um, greens have been screaming about deforestation for years. Without the rain forests, huge swaths of Brazil become desert which will have a serious impact on climate.

Mentat: Um, greens have been screaming about deforestation for years. Without the rain forests, huge swaths of Brazil become desert which will have a serious impact on climate.

Seriously. I remember deforestation's campaigns as one of those things that everyone could get behind...as opposed to the more contentious "fighting (anthro) global warming" concept that's proceeded Al Gore's efforts.

That's what I don't really get--I'm all for conservation, but where's the push for stuff that everyone agrees on? Seems like we oughta hit that first before moving on to whether your SUV gets 18 or 20 mpg.

NikolaiFarkoff: I remember deforestation's campaigns as one of those things that everyone could get behind...as opposed to the more contentious "fighting (anthro) global warming" concept that's proceeded Al Gore's efforts.

That's what I don't really get--I'm all for conservation, but where's the push for stuff that everyone agrees on?

That kind of stuff doesn't get the fundraising phone banks ringing.

UberDave: Screw the environment...I pick on Giant SUV driving soccer-moms because they're farking overly self-centered assholes (generally).

Thank goodness for large slow people in large slow cars. Easy prey when the zombies invade allowing the rest of us to escape.

Seriously? Deforestation has been an issue since before SUVs even hit the market. This isn't like some hidden mystery.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: For the absolute life of me, I cannot understand why having a healthy planet and clean air and water is somehow some outrageous liberal cause. I'm really getting tired of you farking idiots living off of the backs of smart people who are the ones who have CREATED the world you live in. You farking douchebags should all be living in a shack in Bombay.

Bombay?

Way to farking polluted there. Bad air, dirty water, too many 2 stroke engines.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: You farking douchebags should all be living in a shack in Bombay.

What about living in a bottle of Bombay? A steady supply of olives and some vermouth, and I could be happy.

keiverarrow: Although I agree with the sentiment, most of the worlds oxygen is made by the ocean.

Which is why it's going to really suck when the oceans are dead from too much carbon dioxide in 30 years.

lamest of the lame, subby

Um anybody forget the late 80s and 90s, when the foresters were targeted? I'm just assuming it's not as big of a deal anymore because of all the recycling and less paper use (due to the internet age). I could be wrong, but i certainly do remember all the rage over clearcut foresting of the amazon.

Goddamn, who's submitting links today... Galactus?

Doesn't Brazilian mean deforestation?

scratched: Goddamn, who's submitting links today... Galactus?

Yeah, this site is turning into "tard.com".

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Does anyone here actually believe that Environmentalists aren't able to tackle more than one problem at a time? Personally, I don't see any conflict between the goals of protecting the rainforest and stopping global warming. In fact, I see a synergy between the two goals.

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HA HA GOOD ONE! You're so FUNNY DUDDE!!! HA HA HA.

Where did I put those tree spikes??


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Most "greens" I know are just as concerned about deforestation as they are about pollution. The "FAIL" tag is for subby.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: For the absolute life of me, I cannot understand why having a healthy planet and clean air and water is somehow some outrageous liberal cause. I'm really getting tired of you farking idiots living off of the backs of smart people who are the ones who have CREATED the world you live in. You farking douchebags should all be living in a shack in Bombay.

Because it might result in some people making less money. Also, gluttonous people don't want to be bothered to do things like buy more efficient cars or change their lightbulbs or put on a sweater once in a while.

Well I wouldn't pick on a man holding a chainsaw.

It makes me laugh when people make a big deal about being green but they have more than 2 children.

Nabb1: HotLonelyTeenageGirl: You farking douchebags should all be living in a shack in Bombay.

What about living in a bottle of Bombay? A steady supply of olives and some vermouth, and I could be happy.

Pfft. Who needs vermouth?

Deforestation in Brazil is bad, but we are nothing but hypocrites when it comes to chiding them for it.

Edsel: Because it might result in some people making less money. Also, gluttonous people don't want to be bothered to do things like buy more efficient cars or change their lightbulbs or put on a sweater once in a while.

2 out of your 3 solutions require needless consumption. Very telling.

it's hard to tell people not to do something when their sustenance depends on it. rich people's sustenance does not depend on s.u.v.s, though, so that's a pretty easy call.

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ah the "shades of grey" argument. If you argue black, the other side argues white and the people in the middle assume grey. Its a common tactic; if your opponents point is close to the truth, try and push their message further toward one of the poles, uninformed people in the middle will then gravitate toward the grey spot in the middle. but since you moved the white pole, the grey spot is now closer to your original point!

well Damn straight subby

if you've ever seen these fatassed soccer moms in their Excursions and Escalades here in plano texas you would pick on them too

say, it's a little chilly here...

let's build a nice fire...



ah, that's better

Everyone defending the "greens" because they are agaoinst deforestation too need to re-read thsi farkling article.

EU policies promoting a market for biofuels triggered the destruction of Indonesian rain forests in favor of palm plantations.

Meanwhile, the forestry industry has argued that their monoculture plantations in Asia, Africa, and South America deserve credit as carbon sinks, but the data show that these biological deserts are actually spewing out carbon dioxide. We don't have federal climate change legislation in place in the United States, but the Obama administration is pushing for a carbon tax in the new budget. Conservationists now have an apparent ally in the White House, so let's tell him to slow down and get those forest protections in place before the carbon-conscious spill any more blood.

Every cent of tax you put on fossil fuels and every penny you pay to subsidize biofuels makes cutting down rainforests more profitable (nevermind shrinks global food supply).

By making cutting the use of fossil fuel their primary goal, they have farked forests.

Fark, circa 1993:

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<FAIL> Greens screw the planet by obsessing over deforestation while ignoring CFCs, but it's way easier to camp out in Clayoquot Sound getting high than to deal with big international companies with real lawyers

Yeah, whatever happened to the rainforest, anyways? When I was a kid it was a pretty big deal, but I hardly ever hear anything about it these days.

liam76: Every cent of tax you put on fossil fuels and every penny you pay to subsidize biofuels makes cutting down rainforests more profitable (nevermind shrinks global food supply).

By making cutting the use of fossil fuel their primary goal, they have farked forests.

So you're saying we should bomb invade Brazil?

I'm game if I can keep some of the loot women.

In the US logging companies tend to have tree farms replanting as much as they cut down. In Brazil most of this is for farm land. If there was an introduction of modern farm techniques, including such evil things as fertilizer, along with crop rotation this would not be near the problem. If only there was some way to optimize crops, say like adapting them to new environments with science that would help too.

/Yes I am coming out for GM food
//Also for irradiated food.

You mean how those animal rights people will throw paint on a bunch of women wearing fur coats but never go after bikers. Although I would pay to see them throw paint on a gang of bikers.

carmody: Most "greens" I know are just as concerned about deforestation as they are about pollution. The "FAIL" tag is for subby.

I don't give a fark what they are concerned with if the effect of their policies is more deforestation they FAIL.

Artifically making fossil fuels more expensive and propping up bio diesel is just plain stupid when it comes to clean energy. Not to mention shelfing nuclear power.

GoldSpider: Edsel: Because it might result in some people making less money. Also, gluttonous people don't want to be bothered to do things like buy more efficient cars or change their lightbulbs or put on a sweater once in a while.

2 out of your 3 solutions require needless consumption. Very telling.

Lightbulbs burn out and have to be replaced anyway. Cars don't last forever either. That's not "needless consumption".

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Edsel: Because it might result in some people making less money. Also, gluttonous people don't want to be bothered to do things like buy more efficient cars or change their lightbulbs or put on a sweater once in a while.

2 out of your 3 solutions require needless consumption. Very telling.

None of his suggestions require needless consumption. When your old incadescent light bulb burns out you need a new one anyways so you might as well replace it with a compact flourescent light bulb. Same with your old car.

I seriously doubt Edsel is recommending that people smash perfectly good lightbulbs/cars to go out and buy new ones. The fact that you jumped to that conclusion is very telling.

liam76: carmody: Most "greens" I know are just as concerned about deforestation as they are about pollution. The "FAIL" tag is for subby.

I don't give a fark what they are concerned with if the effect of their policies is more deforestation they FAIL.

Artifically making fossil fuels more expensive and propping up bio diesel is just plain stupid when it comes to clean energy. Not to mention shelfing nuclear power.

SHUT UP, DON'T YOU KNOW ONLY CHRISTIANS AND REPUBLICANS ARE HYPOCRITES. QUIT MAKING PEOPLE FEEL BAD FOR TRYING TO DO GOOD THINGS. YOU ARE AN EVIL MAN WHO OPPRESSES WOMEN FOR FUN AREN'T YOU. YOU CAN'T STAND MINORITIES EITHER CAN YOU. YOU AND YOUR "FACT'S". WHERE DID YOU GET THEM FAUX NEWS. YOU PROBABLY WATCH GLENN "I CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL" BECK DON'T YOU.

I'm more terrified by the swirling continent of garbage and debris that's between San Fransisco and Hawaii. Why? All the oceans' water swirls through there in the currents and spreading the toxins and poisons to other bodies of water. Non native barnacles and parasites are getting free rides on decayed lawn furniture to areas not equipped to deal w/ them. Fish nibble on plastic particles and in essence starve to death. The food chains are breaking down pushing more over fishing and threatening other animals.

Need I go on?

globalwarmingpraiser: liam76: carmody: Most "greens" I know are just as concerned about deforestation as they are about pollution. The "FAIL" tag is for subby.

I don't give a fark what they are concerned with if the effect of their policies is more deforestation they FAIL.

Artifically making fossil fuels more expensive and propping up bio diesel is just plain stupid when it comes to clean energy. Not to mention shelfing nuclear power.

SHUT UP, DON'T YOU KNOW ONLY CHRISTIANS AND REPUBLICANS ARE HYPOCRITES. QUIT MAKING PEOPLE FEEL BAD FOR TRYING TO DO GOOD THINGS. YOU ARE AN EVIL MAN WHO OPPRESSES WOMEN FOR FUN AREN'T YOU. YOU CAN'T STAND MINORITIES EITHER CAN YOU. YOU AND YOUR "FACT'S". WHERE DID YOU GET THEM FAUX NEWS. YOU PROBABLY WATCH GLENN "I CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL" BECK DON'T YOU.

Haha. Nice.

Fark trees.

Fark em in their tight little knotholes.

40yoVirgin: Somehow I think subby would feel just fine in ignoring that Brazilian logger and climate change.


This x 100000.

Also, I hear greenies spout off about deforestation all the f*cking time. This is the worst strawman ever...

Edsel: Lightbulbs burn out and have to be replaced anyway. Cars don't last forever either.

Really, how often do you find yourself replacing light bulbs? I haven't had to replace more than two in the last 6 years.

Properly maintaining and extending the life of an older car is far more "green" than letting it simply rot in a scrap yard.

Anti_illuminati: globalwarmingpraiser: liam76: carmody: Most "greens" I know are just as concerned about deforestation as they are about pollution. The "FAIL" tag is for subby.

I don't give a fark what they are concerned with if the effect of their policies is more deforestation they FAIL.

Artifically making fossil fuels more expensive and propping up bio diesel is just plain stupid when it comes to clean energy. Not to mention shelfing nuclear power.

SHUT UP, DON'T YOU KNOW ONLY CHRISTIANS AND REPUBLICANS ARE HYPOCRITES. QUIT MAKING PEOPLE FEEL BAD FOR TRYING TO DO GOOD THINGS. YOU ARE AN EVIL MAN WHO OPPRESSES WOMEN FOR FUN AREN'T YOU. YOU CAN'T STAND MINORITIES EITHER CAN YOU. YOU AND YOUR "FACT'S". WHERE DID YOU GET THEM FAUX NEWS. YOU PROBABLY WATCH GLENN "I CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL" BECK DON'T YOU.

Haha. Nice.

Thank you.