i thought the wire was set in bawlmore

Good luck with that, Chiefie.

Imagine if they did that to people exercising their 1st amendment rights instead of their 2nd ammendment rights. Free speech has killed allot of people over the years.

What if they did this to people handing out pamphlets for whatever cause on a street corner or people going door to door asking for donations to their cause?

Cool, one step closer to the revolution!

Hey buddy, it's "law enforcement", not "make up all my own laws and ignore the courts, legislature, and legal opinion of the state AG". It's a common error.

Get your lazy, goldbricking asses out of my beach beer-and-sausage manufacturing community.

Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach. There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.



Crosshair: Imagine if they did that to people exercising their 1st amendment rights instead of their 2nd ammendment rights. Free speech has killed allot of people over the years.

What if they did this to people handing out pamphlets for whatever cause on a street corner or people going door to door asking for donations to their cause?


You can't shoot someone in the face with words or pamphlets.

Great.
I suppose any scuffle whatsoever would be 'resisting arrest' too.
After all... I guess if I supported warrantless wiretapping of non-citizens, I should be okay with being tackled on the street or forced face-down at gunpoint while they determine my 'rights', huh ?

"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it,"

gee, I hope you have a LOT of money saved up 'cause yer gonna lose damn near all of it to a bunch of lawsuits.

It's going to be funny to see the right wing badge lickers get all pissy about this...

Why do they need to carry handguns around openly?

'Cause they have no secondary sexual characteristics to speak of.

acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly?

"Need" is not relevant.


I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach.

Please explain why you would recommend a violation of established state law and civil liberties.


There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.

Would it not be more likely that an individual prone to shooting a police officer in the back would conceal a firearm until prior to engaging in such an action?

acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach. There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.

Wisconsin doesn't have concealed carry, the only way to carry a gun for self defense there is open carry. And the will and ability to defend yourself is apparently disturbing and suspicious.

acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach. There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.

So you advocate violating the Constitution because of some hypothetical freaky cop-killer?

So the cop is just whistling on his beat, and he notices the open carry, and ignores it. Then as soon as the doe-eyed little policeman wanders off on his merry way, the nefarious gunslinger plugs him in the back.

Citizens have the right of open carry in the state, so open carry itself cannot be used as a primary offense or probable cause. If the cops are too afraid, maybe they should go be cops somewhere else.

The chief should be removed from office.

/likes the WHOLE Bill of Rights.

Jeffrey Johnson?
Didn't Eddie Murphy play him in a movie once?

"I'm just totally in opposition to putting more guns on the streets," Young said. "We have too many incidents in which people are being shot and killed in Milwaukee."


I'd love to see just how many of those who did the shooting and killing also had an open carry permit. My guess would be 0. People with gun permits aren't usually the ones running around shooting at people.

acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand.

so lets say you are walking around downtown. you decide to exercise your 1st amendment rights and comment about a hot button political issue. A police officer overhears your use of this 1st amendment.

He calls for backup. you are thrown to the ground, searched and the police officer(s) handcuff you and throw you into the back of a squad car. then they decide if you have the 'right' to have that discussion in public. But let's say you get lucky and they let you go.

still think there's no harm, no foul?

necropoultryac: Jeffrey Johnson?
Didn't Eddie Murphy play him in a movie once?

oops...wrong cop thread

choice and consequence: acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach. There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.

Wisconsin doesn't have concealed carry, the only way to carry a gun for self defense there is open carry. And the will and ability to defend yourself paranoia that you need a firearm to protect yourself in the open is apparently disturbing and suspicious.

If you think you need a gun in the open or concealed to protect yourself, you also need a therapist to work out your paranoia issues.

/wisconsinite

Weaver95: acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand.

so lets say you are walking around downtown. you decide to exercise your 1st amendment rights and comment about a hot button political issue. A police officer overhears your use of this 1st amendment.

He calls for backup. you are thrown to the ground, searched and the police officer(s) handcuff you and throw you into the back of a squad car. then they decide if you have the 'right' to have that discussion in public. But let's say you get lucky and they let you go.

still think there's no harm, no foul?

Yeah but who needs to have a discussion in public?

"I'm just totally in opposition to putting more guns on the streets," Young said. "We have too many incidents in which people are being shot and killed in Milwaukee."

I'm sure many more people are killed in car collisions. Maybe you should just start pulling people over for no reason and throwing on the ground to check if they have a valid driver's license. Oh wait, it's only OK to violate the 2nd amendment, not the 4th.

I wholly support the 2nd Amendment.
But I still think people who feel compelled to carry a gun are pussies.

Law enforcement would certainly be a lot easier if you could just slam people against a wall and decide later whether what they had been doing was legal or not.

Petey4335: If you think you need a gun in the open or concealed to protect yourself, you also need a therapist to work out your paranoia issues.

So why do cops carry them then?

A right that you don't or won't or can't excercise is not a right at all.

The fact that we have the right to carry is reason enough to do so.

Petey4335: If you think you need a gun in the open or concealed to protect yourself, you also need a therapist to work out your paranoia issues.

It is impossible to establish a "need" for a means of defense until such time as it is impossible to acquire such a means if one is not already possessed. As such, individuals carry defensive firearms because of the possibility of a future need, not because of an existing need. Your unjustified accusation of "paranoia" does not alter the fundamental fact that the chief of police is openly instructing individuals under his command to violate state law, and he should be removed from his position.

12 Inch Pianist: I wholly support the 2nd Amendment.
But I still think people who feel compelled to carry a gun are pussies.

Your ad hominem attack against police officers has no rational basis.

choice and consequence: acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach. There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.

Wisconsin doesn't have concealed carry, the only way to carry a gun for self defense there is open carry. And the will and ability to defend yourself is apparently disturbing and suspicious.

Yeah, like you could really defend yourself. The criminal is going to walk up to you, tell you politely he's going to attack you, while politely not pointing his gun at you and wait for you to draw and shoot him. Riiiiiggghhhhttt.

Cops and soldiers, who train for this shiat all the time, are ALWAYS killed when someone has the drop on them.

This ain't TV or the movies, no matter how much you may think you're Clint Eastwood.

"Madison gun owner Auric Gold said he often carries a handgun in a holster while walking in his east side neighborhood..."

Is it a Walther PPK he got off some British guy?

PirateKing: So why do cops carry them then?

Because it is part of the profession of protecting and serving.

Dimensio: individuals carry defensive firearms because of the possibility of a future need, not because of an existing need

That would be, in my opinion, in most cases a bout of paranoia.

I guess when china and russia said americans prefer communism and offered up HOA's as proof.I guess they were right.

acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly?

Bears.

_{And Bears fans}

acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly? I don't understand. If I were a police chief, I'd recommend the same approach. There is no need to have an officer shot in the back because he assumed the man with the gun was an upright citizen. You can't be sure.

Because it is illegal to carry them concealed, and they have a right to carry them.

I could run an officer over, does that mean they have a right to stop me simply for having a car?

Oh, I love it when police officials just open up and let stupid fall from their mouths. This city is going to be the target of lawsuits very quickly, and the law is not on the chief's side.

Personally, I think police just want to have a monopoly on gun ownership and possession. They are involved in so many situations where they are dead wrong, and they fear that a legally armed populace will not bow so easily to questionably legitimate authority; authority that is almost always ensured currently by the one-sided equation of who is holding a deadly weapon, almost always the police. So the police lose a huge initial advantage in confrontational situations, since the physical disparities between police and citizenry are neutralized. I think this is a good thing; police should not need to so frequently rely on brute force to uphold the law. There are times for it, yes, but not as often as it is claimed currently. Most people respect the rule of law; those who do not are likely carrying handguns already.

Dimensio:

Would it not be more likely that an individual prone to shooting a police officer in the back would conceal a firearm until prior to engaging in such an action?

That's a good point.

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: "I'm just totally in opposition to putting more guns on the streets," Young said. "We have too many incidents in which people are being shot and killed in Milwaukee."


I'd love to see just how many of those who did the shooting and killing also had an open carry permit. My guess would be 0. People with gun permits aren't usually the ones running around shooting at people.


Also a very good point.

What are the requirements for an open carrying license? We don't have them in MA. Now that I've thought about it, crime would probably go down, because those who would openly carry a firearm, I would assume, would be better able to shoot it than your average criminal. Though, it seems like it may have a "wild west" feel to it.

My apologies. After some critical thinking, I have flip-flopped.

Yeah, like you could really defend yourself. The criminal is going to walk up to you, tell you politely he's going to attack you, while politely not pointing his gun at you and wait for you to draw and shoot him. Riiiiiggghhhhttt.

Cops and soldiers, who train for this shiat all the time, are ALWAYS killed when someone has the drop on them.

This ain't TV or the movies, no matter how much you may think you're Clint Eastwood.

Sorry, but you are wrong. That may be true ofin some situations but it is not true of all of them. I'd rather be more prepared than less prepared.

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ghare: Yeah, like you could really defend yourself. The criminal is going to walk up to you, tell you politely he's going to attack you, while politely not pointing his gun at you and wait for you to draw and shoot him. Riiiiiggghhhhttt.

Please explain, then, why individuals have successfully used firearms in self-defense in the past.

acweezer17: What are the requirements for an open carrying license?

There exists no licensing requirement for carrying a firearm in Wisconsin.

Don't you people understand that only cops can shoot citizens for no apparent reason without provocation or cause? This whole idea of citizens arming themselves is farking up the whole game plan.

Petey4335:

That would be, in my opinion, in most cases a bout of paranoia.

You have provided no factual basis for your assessment. Additionally, your "opinion" does not constitute a justification for a chief of police instructing police officers to violate state law.

Pride of Cucamonga: Personally, I think police just want to have a monopoly on gun ownership and possession.

A big ol' bunch o' THAT. They want to be able to execute no-knock warrants (and, incidentally, the people served those warrants) without fear of getting shot at by a civilian rightfully protecting their house. They want the lazy black-and-white knowledge that anyone holding a gun who isn't a cop is fair game.

I am sure this 'Auric Gold', has no intention of using his gun for any sinister purposes.

12 Inch Pianist: I wholly support the 2nd Amendment.
But I still think people who feel compelled to carry a gun are pussies.


I wouldn't say "pussies", but they are almost always the type that are loud-mouth pricks who do something just because they can and to piss others off. I own plenty of firearms and fully support the 2A, but virtually everyone I have ever met who wants to carry openly fits that description. There's also this racial mindset of "You see this gun, we aren't taking your chit anymore, so stay the fark away from me", knowing that most any minority wont approach a "crazy white dude carrying a firearm" for any reason.

Boom, headcase!

Tony Van Morrison: I own plenty of firearms and fully support the 2A, but virtually everyone I have ever met who wants to carry openly fits that description.

Citizens of Wisconsin may not legally carry a firearm in any other fashion, as state law prohibits the carrying of concealed deadly weapons.

12 Inch Pianist
I wholly support the 2nd Amendment.
But I still think people who feel compelled to carry a gun are pussies.

Yeah, women are such pussies! And men who aren't built like Ahnold are big wimps if they don't allow themselves to be cowed at every opportunity by those who are bigger and stronger physically!

Seriously though, I'm glad you support the 2nd amendment, whatever your personal beliefs. Americans should support the 2nd amendment simply by virtue of being Americans. It is one of the defining and unique things about this country, along with the (also) enshrined rights to free speech, expression, to be free from unlawful searches, to vote etc.

Chief, USC Section 1983, let me introduce you to it.

meat0918: acweezer17: Why do they need to carry handguns around openly?

Bears.

And Bears fans





Oh, and this.

Occam's Chainsaw
They want the lazy black-and-white knowledge that anyone holding a gun who isn't a cop is fair game.

Well said.

Petey4335: Because it is part of the profession of protecting and serving.

"It isn't easy being a cop."

"Now see here, guy. You're not dealing with any dumb two-bit trigger-pumping morons with low hairlines, little piggy eyes and no conversation, we're a couple of intelligent caring guys that you'd probably quite like if you met us socially! I don't go around gratuitously shooting people and then bragging about it afterwards in seedy space-rangers bars, like some cops I could mention! I go around shooting people gratuitously and then I agonize about it afterwards for hours to my girlfriend!"

Dimensio: Tony Van Morrison: I own plenty of firearms and fully support the 2A, but virtually everyone I have ever met who wants to carry openly fits that description.

Citizens of Wisconsin may not legally carry a firearm in any other fashion, as state law prohibits the carrying of concealed deadly weapons.

I understand that. I also understand the historic reasons why concealed carry was not allowed(public nuisance) and why guns were carried openly in some places. I wish Wisconsin had carry laws similar to other States. I don't know how many people in the State are going to go around carrying openly, but my experience is those who want to openly carry are the "You lookin' for some trouble, punk?" type.