I think they're still trying to fold that one up. Damn thing gets all bunched in the middle.

It's tentative but a good first step. However, Turks are soooo far from not just acknowledging the genocide but even just accepting the catastrophic pain that was inflicted on Armenians during that time.

As long as they remember to make that left turn at Albuquerque, they should be OKAY.

So between Turkey and Armenia, do you have Kurds as the stuffing?

/No whey

coco ebert: It's tentative but a good first step. However, Turks are soooo far from not just acknowledging the genocide but even just accepting the catastrophic pain that was inflicted on Armenians during that time.

Perhaps as well the Turks do see dealing with Armenia as another hoop they need to jump through so they can (finally) get into the EU. Who knows?

Ex Parte Gilligan: Perhaps as well the Turks do see dealing with Armenia as another hoop they need to jump through so they can (finally) get into the EU. Who knows?

Pfft, over my dead chicken.

Anti_illuminati: Pfft, over my dead chicken.

Yeah, and this is a shame. The EU does themselves no favors when they keep on giving Turkey their entrance into the organization is just over the rainbow.

Ex Parte Gilligan: coco ebert: It's tentative but a good first step. However, Turks are soooo far from not just acknowledging the genocide but even just accepting the catastrophic pain that was inflicted on Armenians during that time.

Perhaps as well the Turks do see dealing with Armenia as another hoop they need to jump through so they can (finally) get into the EU. Who knows?

There's that and there's also the economic dimension. A closed border means an underground economy that can't be normalized and taxed. Armenia's a small, landlocked country and regionally Turkey is an economic powerhouse. A couple of years ago the president of Armenia came out in support of increased trade with Turkey that did not depend on Turkey's recognition of the genocide. The Armenian diaspora were of course not happy with that.

Knowing Turkey, this will somehow end up being bad news for the Kurds.

coco ebert: Armenia's a small, landlocked country and regionally Turkey is an economic powerhouse.

That and seems like Turkey is the most stable of their neighbors. The diaspora don't have to live with that reality, etc.

Why are they going to put a nice suit on a bird???

Turks have this really wierd Pavlovian reaction to the Armenian Genocide.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Turks died as well.

Swampthing in Korea: Turks have this really wierd Pavlovian reaction to the Armenian Genocide.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Turks died as well.


Pro-Israelis have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to the Nakba.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Jews were expelled as well.



Apartheid South Africans have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to Apartheid.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Afrikaners suffered as well.

Auto432: Swampthing in Korea: Turks have this really wierd Pavlovian reaction to the Armenian Genocide.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Turks died as well.


Pro-Israelis have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to the Nakba.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Jews were expelled as well.



Apartheid South Africans have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to Apartheid.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Afrikaners suffered as well.

All this talk about Pavlovian reactions is making me thirsty...

They need to reopen the border.

Swampthing in Korea: You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Turks died as well.

I'm so glad nobody around here would ever drop into knee-jerk defense mode at the merest mention of a country's misdeeds.

isn't it about time we had GPS directions to peace?

Ponzholio: Auto432: Swampthing in Korea: Turks have this really wierd Pavlovian reaction to the Armenian Genocide.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Turks died as well.


Pro-Israelis have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to the Nakba.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Jews were expelled as well.



Apartheid South Africans have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to Apartheid.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Afrikaners suffered as well.

All this talk about Pavlovian reactions is making me thirsty...

these Pavlovian reactions... are making me thirsty !



giddy up

bro, as someone who lives in the San Fernando valley, bro, I'm getting a real kick out of these replies, bro.

Does this mean more big armenian parties to celebrate peace/acknowledgement/any excuse for vodka?

/i can has armenian womenz? puhleez?

Hey, I was just in Turkey a few days ago on spring break. If any of you have a chance to go to Kurdistan: do it. Best people in the world.

Auto432

Pro-Israelis have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to the Nakba.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Jews were expelled as well.



Apartheid South Africans have this really wierd[sic] Pavlovian reaction to Apartheid.

You mention it, and they start foaming at the mouth before screaming that it is nothing more than a myth, that it was a time of unrest and lots of Afrikaners suffered as well.


Right on brother.

Hey, I was just in Turkey a few days ago on spring break. If any of you have a chance to go to Kurdistan: do it. Best people in the world.

Says the terrorixt.

coco ebert: Ex Parte Gilligan: coco ebert: It's tentative but a good first step. However, Turks are soooo far from not just acknowledging the genocide but even just accepting the catastrophic pain that was inflicted on Armenians during that time.

Perhaps as well the Turks do see dealing with Armenia as another hoop they need to jump through so they can (finally) get into the EU. Who knows?

There's that and there's also the economic dimension. A closed border means an underground economy that can't be normalized and taxed. Armenia's a small, landlocked country and regionally Turkey is an economic powerhouse. A couple of years ago the president of Armenia came out in support of increased trade with Turkey that did not depend on Turkey's recognition of the genocide. The Armenian diaspora were of course not happy with that.

As part of the Armenian diaspora I support any rapprochement between Armenia and Turkey, or any other of it's neighbours for that matter.