ToDo list:
#1 Remove subby from Green Day's holiday card list.

Subby, that's neither punk nor rock. They're about as punk rock as Avril Lavigne.

Hey, subby? Don't worry, buddy. Someday, you'll wake up to find all the hair on your head has moved to your ears, nose, and ass, that all of the "contemporary" music you listen to is unexpectedly edging on 20 years old, you've started to yell at clouds, and that hip and edgy music you listen to now is sung by guys with 'roid donuts, Accuchecks, and beer guts.

Have fun with that!

ragekage: Hey, subby? Don't worry, buddy. Someday, you'll wake up to find all the hair on your head has moved to your ears, nose, and ass,

billie joe armstrong is 37. he's no doubt got hair in his nose and ears and ass crack.

Last I heard, Green Day died in a fire right after they released Nimrod.

Lighten up, subbag. Green day isn't my thing cause I listen to the real stuff, but don't hate on a band just cause they sell records.

And yes, you might think 37 is middle aged but we can still bring it. Just try and pick a fight with a 37 year old. He can still pound you into the ground.

I kind of like Green Day, but then they lifted most of their material from the Buzzcocks, whom I really, really like, so that makes sense.

Hot Pockets? Sure, I'll have one. You got ham and cheese?

Green Day is definitely not punk. They're pretty much straight rock with punk clothing.

Try "The Gallows" if you are looking for good current punk rock.

Axiomatic: Try "The Gallows" if you are looking for good current punk rock.

The last punk record ever released was



In fact, one of the only 5 or so punk records released in the 90s. After that, the genre just disappeared completely.

Tatsuma: Axiomatic: Try "The Gallows" if you are looking for good current punk rock.

The last punk record ever released was



In fact, one of the only 5 or so punk records released in the 90s. After that, the genre just disappeared completely.

Give Gallows a shot Tatsuma. I grew up during the punk era and I got to see all the good bands so I share your hatred of new punk but the Gallows are legit in my book.

Green Day is not, and has never been "punk".

This is punk:

dillenger69: This is punkhardcore and not punk, but still pretty farking good:

FTFY

Punk rock is whatever MaximumRockNRoll says it is. They have a strict policy of not advertising bands who sell out, especially Green Day. They even fired Ben Weasel because he had the audacity to open for them back in the 90's. That's because they're the authority on punk rock. Atom and His Package? Not punk enough for MRR. Tim Armstrong? Well, sure he did tours sponsored by Hot Topic, has songs in shampoo and computer commercials, and has been in movie soundtracks. But he did that BYO Split with NOFX, so he's Tru Punx.

I'm going to keep saying Green Day sucks until Fat Mike tells me it's alright to listen to them.

Axiomatic: Try "The Gallows" if you are looking for good current punk rock.

I'll check them out. Hopefully it will not end up like the last "punk" suggestion I received where I had to listen to the NY Dolls non-stop for 12 hours just to erase the aural damage.

Does having a song featured on Guitar Hero make you a sellout?
Because I don't want to think about Social Distortion being a sellout. I like them, and I will still like them if they're considered sellouts. But it gives them street cred, and I need a piece of that street cred.

Street cred is also the reason I go to Taco Bell, because that's where the gangsters go.

Damn you, Green Day, for writing songs people will actually buy!

major-kong: Damn you, Green Day, for writing songs people will actually buy!

You know who else writes songs that people buy?

"Paging the Self-Appointed Keepers of the Punk Rock Canon to the white courtesy phone. Your assistance is needed at the Green Day thread. Paging the Self-Appointed Keepers of....oh you're already here. Carry on."

Green Day is to music what Coca-cola is to fine wine.

Tatsuma: Axiomatic: Try "The Gallows" if you are looking for good current punk rock.

The last punk record ever released was



In fact, one of the only 5 or so punk records released in the 90s. After that, the genre just disappeared completely.

Oh, for fark's sake, get over yourself.

I had to take my 16 year old niece to see Green Day on their last tour. I will admit I liked them back when Dookie came out, but two hours of their newer crap was just too much. She likes all of those fake punk bands.

/I spent my teenage years at Ozzfest, so I don't understand her taste.

angryjd: Lighten up, subbag. Green day isn't my thing cause I listen to the real stuff, but don't hate on a band just cause they sell records.

And yes, you might think 37 is middle aged but we can still bring it. Just try and pick a fight with a 37 year old. He can still pound you into the ground.

The most fitting fark handle evar..

If you're arguing about punk rock to preserve it's integrity, you are not punk.

Kuta: If you're arguing about punk rock to preserve it's integrity, you are not punk.

You're correct. Punk isn't supposed to have integrity.
/and it's "its."

angryjd: Lighten up, subbag. Green day isn't my thing cause I listen to the real stuff, but don't hate on a band just cause they sell records.

And yes, you might think 37 is middle aged but we can still bring it. Just try and pick a fight with a 37 year old. He can still pound you into the ground.



ughhhh, Billie Joe Armstrong is about 5ft nothing and a 100lbs. I'm pretty sure Avril could take him.

/*pic* internet tough guy *pic*
//too lazy

Green Day would be the first to say they aren't punk, and that they are sell outs. I like 'em enough, but they are so overplayed I get a little sick every time I hear anything off of American Idiot.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Oh, for fark's sake, get over yourself.

Not my fault that it's crap.

Also, the emo movement died with Sunny Day Real Estate's first breakup, and even that is debatable, since it clearly was the second wave of emo before post-emo indie rock a la Saves the Days surface. The first wave was pretty much centered around DC and petered out by 1989.

Has this thread devolved into "I'm more punk than you!" yet?

palexc: Has this thread devolved into "I'm more punk than you!" yet?

I'm not punk, I just enjoy good music.

It's easy to hate on a lot of bands..

Green Day? In my opinion not so much. I'm no die-hard fan, but Dookie was one of the first albums (CD form) I ever owned. That smoothed out slappy hours one was awesome, too. Thinking about it, I feel like they had awesome music on every album to date.

Sadly, I don't have much faith in this next one.

Also don't think I could deal with them in concert at this point in my life.. Feel like there would be a lot of "punks" there.

Dude, just listen to music that makes you feel good. Who cares if it's not labeled in a genre?

I love Fark's Green Day/Blink 182 threads; What's more punk rock than vehemently obsessing a series of dogmatic, never-spoken rules that dictate what punk rock is or not?

Tatsuma: major-kong: Damn you, Green Day, for writing songs people will actually buy!

You know who else writes songs that people buy?

Actually, she doesn't write songs. A crack team of well-honed elevator music craftsmen and women labor over vanilla MOR pop ballads for her to sing...and to be played forever in dentist's offices, doctor's waiting rooms, and the radios of lonely suburban housewives.

/it's all about the mailbox money

Yeah...go see your awesome band I've never heard of instead of seeing Green Day when they come to L.A....will increase my odds of getting better seats.

If you don't listen to Anal Blood, or Cactus Stick, you don't know shiat about Punk.

NightOwl2255: ToDo list:
#1 Remove subby from Green Day's holiday card list.

I'm an old school punk rock guy: heartbreakers, ramones, clash, pistols, etc...

...but...

I think Green Day started the same way most punk bands do: small shiatty shows, DIY, then signed with an indie... yeah they then "sold out" and signed to a major, and sold a lot of records... but to compare them to Avril is kind of a joke. They formed themselves, they write their own songs and play all their own instruments, and while they didn't pay their dues long they did pay some.

You can say there are better bands out there but if you think bands can't make money and be true to the punk rock art form then you are just as guilty of misunderstanding punk rock as the hot topic people are.

Mike Ness is on a major label and played the LA coliseum with Springsteen last week. Is Mike Ness not punk? Is he a sellout?

palexc: Has this thread devolved into "I'm more punk than you!" yet?

I don't know, but I'm pretty punk!! I got to see G.G. Allin live, about 6 months before he died. That was pretty scary for a 15 year old. Probably scarred me for life.

Propain_az: If you don't listen to Anal Blood, or Cactus Stick, you don't know shiat about Punk.

GG Allin sees your bands, headbutts them, pisses on them, stabs them and sets them on fire. Then inflicts himself a third degree burn. Just because he's farking GG Allin.

devilskware: G.G. Allin

08:23:26 PM

Tatsuma: GG Allin

08:23:40 PM

Ah for fark's sake.

GG Allin's funeral - I was there less than two months after meeting the guy. Now, we all knew he wasn't going to die of old age and we all knew it wouldn't be an ordinary service, but I wasn't quite prepared for that I saw. The band's drummer was drawing on GG's leg with a magic marker. The body was dressed in his leather jacket and a jockstrap that said "Eat Me". He held a microphone in one hand and a jug of Jim Beam in the other. Everyone was hammered. When the beer ran out, people wrenched the jug from his arms to swig from it. GG looked like hell.

There were gouges and scars everywhere and he was discolored, and frankly, starting to go bad after five days. He was leaking embalming fluid noticeable. One girl put her underwear on his face. Other people were putting stickers on the casket, pushing pills and liquor into GG's mouth, having their smiling pictures taken up by his face, taking his dick out and playing with it.. the works. It was as though everyone ELSE was finally having THEIR way with HIM. The parlor director thought it was a scream. Most common phrase of the night had to be, "He woulda" wanted it this way."

At a convenience store afterwards, a clerk overheard us talking about what we'd seen and asked "where the hell WHERE you?" We told her a wake, "WHOSE wake?" We told her, but GG didn't ring a bell.. "You know, Kevin?"" "Oh, Kevin! OK, that makes sense. Say.. was Al Chappel there?" We told her he was. "He hung my cat, you know." We said, "What, back in the Jabbers days.. '79-ish?" "No, just last week!" This guy must be almost 40 now and still hangs cats.

At graveside the next day, the drummer stepped up to the ditch and told those in attendance, "The Lunachicks are number one. They were my husband, and he (GG Allin) was my wife. Thank you." He then went into a sort of interpretive art-dance in his gray hot pants and t-shirt. We noticed him looking solemn at the end, and asked if he was OK, "I shoulda' mentioned that Caprice parked on the hill up there, because Chevys number one, too. I used to have a van."

Tatsuma: devilskware: G.G. Allin

08:23:26 PM

Tatsuma: GG Allin

08:23:40 PM

Ah for fark's sake.

I consider GG Allin to be a performance artist, and he really wasn't much of a punk rock performer after The Jabbers. GG was the ultimate poseur in my opinion -- although he certainly walked the walk, I give him credit for that.

He was a mentally ill nihilist for whom the image and the lifestyle was infinitely more important than the music. Isn't that the very definition of poseur?

The Dynamite Monkey: I consider GG Allin to be a performance artist, and he really wasn't much of a punk rock performer after The Jabbers. GG was the ultimate poseur in my opinion -- although he certainly walked the walk, I give him credit for that.

He was a mentally ill nihilist for whom the image and the lifestyle was infinitely more important than the music. Isn't that the very definition of poseur?

Actually, I think GG Allin was in fact the physical embodiement of punk for these very reason. Punk was mentally ill nihilism put on record. It was all about the lifestyle and image and the music came second.

He wasn't a poseur because he was farking insane. Poseurs are those who dress that way for the weekend only to go back to their dayjobs during the week.

Tatsuma: Actually, I think GG Allin was in fact the physical embodiement of punk for these very reason. Punk was mentally ill nihilism put on record. It was all about the lifestyle and image and the music came second.

In fact, the very reason that the lifestyle and image came first and the music second is what made the music so great. See: NY Dolls, the grand-fathers of Punk.

Tatsuma: Punk was mentally ill nihilism put on record. It was all about the lifestyle and image and the music came second.

I could not disagree more, and if I wasn't familiar with you and knew that you are an educated person, I would probably have a much more petulant and juvenile response.

Great Punk Rock is ALWAYS about the music FIRST.

See: Clash, Ramones, Heartbreakers, Replacements, Husker Du, Buzzcocks, Pistols, Television, Blondie, Dictators, Stooges, Bad Brains, Dead Boys, Social D, X, and yes even the Pistols.

All about the music.

Tatsuma: See: NY Dolls, the grand-fathers of Punk

try this instead: HEAR: NY Dolls, the grand-fathers of Punk.

All about the music.

The Dynamite Monkey: I could not disagree more, and if I wasn't familiar with you and knew that you are an educated person, I would probably have a much more petulant and juvenile response.

Great Punk Rock is ALWAYS about the music FIRST.

Sorry, mate, but if it hadn't been for the fact that they lived the lifestyle first and foremost, they would not have been able to make the music that embodied it. It's the lifestyle that made punk music, not music that made the punk lifestyle.

The proof of it lies in the fact that this very lifestyle was rooted in a very specific era and a very specific social climate. Today, it just can't be reproduced. Some bands might mimick the sound, but they still just aren't it.

The Dynamite Monkey: try this instead: HEAR: NY Dolls, the grand-fathers of Punk.

All about the music.

Hey, I didn't say that the music didn't matter, I said it came second to the lifestyle. Did you read the history of the New York Dolls?

I mean for fark's sake they are the very embodiment of what I just described.

/listening to them as we speak

ragekage: all of the "contemporary" music you listen to is unexpectedly edging on 20 years old

Yeah...been there, done that, got the receding hairline. "Appetite For Destruction" is 22 years old this year. Steven Tyler's 61. 37 is middle age? *checks* fark me, I guess it is.

/36 this year

Tatsuma: Sorry, mate, but if it hadn't been for the fact that they lived the lifestyle first and foremost, they would not have been able to make the music that embodied it. It's the lifestyle that made punk music, not music that made the punk lifestyle.

Describe the "lifestyle" that the Dolls lived that was different from any other rock band of the day.

They were great, and the records remain great, because it is great music.

Tatsuma: Hey, I didn't say that the music didn't matter, I said it came second to the lifestyle. Did you read the history of the New York Dolls?

I mean for fark's sake they are the very embodiment of what I just described.

/listening to them as we speak

Yeah, I read Nina Antonia's book on the Dolls, as well as her bio of Johnny, and pretty much every bother book I can get my hand on about the genre.

You know that The Dolls first record was finished before anyone was addicted to heroin, right? You know that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton, and tons of other rockers were also addicted to heroin, right? So that the drug lifestyle was not some unique ingredient to punk.

The records are great because they are great records. In fact, the are not great because of the lifestyle, theya re great despite it.