Just the other day I looked out my window and saw some guy walking his dog. Of course, I'm not a professional observer, so I called the DHS to have this guy checked out in case he was a suicidal jihadist planning to fire-bomb the local middle school.

/Better safe than sorry.
//If you're not guilty, you have nothing to worry about.

Wow two stories like this in one day.

If you see this as a "better safe than sorry" then you are an idiot. The woman apparently thought she saw a struggle (not sure why) and did exactly what she should have done. The police reacted quickly and everything turned out just fine. In fact, I feel pretty good that the police actually "solved" the case so quickly. shiat like this happens, and it sucks, but at least she reacted instead of saying, "Blah, not my business," or act like a cynical jackass.

Practice makes perfect!

"Young children making all unrelated adults afraid of them" trifecta in play?

I'm just waiting for people to make some dirty comment about a 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old...

/this doesn't qualify as that dirty comment

Yeah let's call out a manhunt every time someone 'struggles' with their child.

Reincarnate: I'm just waiting for people to make some dirty comment about a 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old...

/this doesn't qualify as that dirty comment

Giggity! One of my clients was a 40 year old with a body of an 12 yr old.

If it wasn't for her face, I would've had a hard time guessing her age.

FTFA: "She described a man in a red pickup with pool supplies in the back struggling with a girl between 6 and 12 years old."

"North Port police showed up at the Price Boulevard home of Leonard Haslage, who operates a window and pool cleaning business with his 17-year-old daughter"

So..... a 17 year old girl who looks between the ages of 6 and 12 years old? Anyone else understand why eyewitness testimony is regard as anything but crap?

Reincarnate: I'm just waiting for people to make some dirty comment about a 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old...

/this doesn't qualify as that dirty comment

I came to make this.

/if you're reading this, young lady, add me on the myspace

"We have to assume she was right," Carpenter said.

We have to assume you're guilty until proven innocent.

Wasilla Hillbilly: Yeah let's call out a manhunt every time someone 'struggles' with their child.

Because that is totally what happened here.

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: "She described a man in a red pickup with pool supplies in the back struggling with a girl between 6 and 12 years old."

"North Port police showed up at the Price Boulevard home of Leonard Haslage, who operates a window and pool cleaning business with his 17-year-old daughter"

So..... a 17 year old girl who looks between the ages of 6 and 12 years old? Anyone else understand why eyewitness testimony is regard as anything but crap?


Who regards it as such? Certainly not juries and the courts. Maybe scientists and those who know better, but eyewitness memory is likely the MOST influential factor in any case. In many cases it is the ONLY evidence used for conviction.

Plus, it really isn't horrible. Most studies demonstrate approximately 75% accuracy on central details. It is bad enough that it should never be the exclusive piece of evidence used for conviction (especially capital convictions), but eyewitnesses are typically more accurate than inaccurate.

Many of the studies demonstrating low accuracy have very, very, very low ecological validity, as well.

A 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old

Pics or I don't believe it!

/winks

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: "She described a man in a red pickup with pool supplies in the back struggling with a girl between 6 and 12 years old."

"North Port police showed up at the Price Boulevard home of Leonard Haslage, who operates a window and pool cleaning business with his 17-year-old daughter"

So..... a 17 year old girl who looks between the ages of 6 and 12 years old? Anyone else understand why eyewitness testimony is regard as anything but crap?

Yup.

I'm suprised it's allowed into the court of law. It makes me wonder what kind of crap is pulled off if something unreliable as eyewitnesses are allowed.

/ We need to get better at science.

Karma Chameleon: "We have to assume she was right," Carpenter said.

We have to assume you're guilty until proven innocent.

My lord. If you get that from his quote, then you should kill yourself.

tonesskin: If you see this as a "better safe than sorry" then you are an idiot. The woman apparently thought she saw a struggle (not sure why) and did exactly what she should have done. The police reacted quickly and everything turned out just fine. In fact, I feel pretty good that the police actually "solved" the case so quickly. shiat like this happens, and it sucks, but at least she reacted instead of saying, "Blah, not my business," or act like a cynical jackass.

I agree with you. The response was appropriate, and the followup after the facts were known was good. Contrast this to the Boston Lite Brite situation. The Weeners was appropriate, but everything after the facts were known was way out of proportion. Not to mention that no other city freaked out about the ATHF advertisements.

tonesskin: Karma Chameleon: "We have to assume she was right," Carpenter said.

We have to assume you're guilty until proven innocent.

My lord. If you get that from his quote, then you should kill yourself.

Who shiat in your cereal today?

Tequila Monster: A 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old

Pics or I don't believe it!

/winks

Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

skinink: Contrast this to the Boston Lite Brite situation.

Exactly. That was a case of completely irrational behavior.

I guess I don't know what others would want to happen? Should the police have ignored her? I certainly hope that this woman is around if anything bad ever happens to me instead of the OMG TEH PULEASE VILATED HIS RITES people.

Karma Chameleon: tonesskin: Karma Chameleon: "We have to assume she was right," Carpenter said.

We have to assume you're guilty until proven innocent.

My lord. If you get that from his quote, then you should kill yourself.

Who shiat in your cereal today?

Subby's mom.

CrispFlows: If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal por

I would assume so.. it would/should come down to intent.

/Midget porn anyone?

CrispFlows: If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

Under current law, sort of, but I think it is under appeal. There was COPA, CPPA, and all kinds of other acts that kept getting struck down. They included shiat about cartoons, etc. Then they made a new law (I think it requires jurors to apply the Miller test and they can consider the "child-like" nature of the actors). That's the last I remember, but it may have been appealed through by now.

CrispFlows:

Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?


Do you know how I know you're a pedo?

Reincarnate: CrispFlows: If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal por

I would assume so.. it would/should come down to intent.

/Midget porn anyone?

Should? WTF for?!

/ All media depiciting murder should be outlawed too! After all, it probably inspires murder.

// Does that reasoning make sense? Then why should it be applied to this case?

Eyewitnesses are not 75% accurate, that's BS.

This woman sounds like a busybody. Wonder if she also has a hobby of calling her HOA about her neighbors' nuclear stockpiles.

well, ummm.... I gotta side with the cops on this one. Id rather look for a kid thats not missing than not look for a kid that is missing.

I can't help but notice that if you call the cops about someone missing around here, they dont even go looking for at least two days.

tonesskin: Wasilla Hillbilly: Yeah let's call out a manhunt every time someone 'struggles' with their child.

Because that is totally what happened here.

Um, actually, it was.

Sheriff's deputies set a staging area in a grocery store parking lot at State Road 776 and County Road 771. Detectives and dog, marine and aviation units began searching the area and running down leads.

Sounds like a manhunt to me. Actually, the article uses that exact word: "The large manhunt came after a woman reported what she thought was a child abduction in the Gulf Cove area at about 10:30 a.m."

As for the "every time someone struggles with their child" part, that's also what it ways: "She described a man in a red pickup with pool supplies in the back struggling with a girl between 6 and 12 years old."

We must save all the childs, even if it means destroying all the (potentially bad sometimes) adultses. Even if just ONE CHILDS IS SAVED, then all the sacrificed (potentially bad and probably sometimes are and so they deserve it) adultses are worth it!1111111

What a little girl looks like.

CrispFlows: Tequila Monster: A 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old

Pics or I don't believe it!

/winks

Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

There's plenty of this available. Most of the pr0n where they have the girl put their ID in front of the camera (with some convenient blurring) is there to show the viewer that they are legally enjoying sexual activities of a very young looking adult.

/it's fannnnntastic

CrispFlows:
Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

Are you looking to get into an untapped audience?

fredklein: tonesskin: Wasilla Hillbilly: Yeah let's call out a manhunt every time someone 'struggles' with their child.

Because that is totally what happened here.

Um, actually, it was.

Sheriff's deputies set a staging area in a grocery store parking lot at State Road 776 and County Road 771. Detectives and dog, marine and aviation units began searching the area and running down leads.

Sounds like a manhunt to me. Actually, the article uses that exact word: "The large manhunt came after a woman reported what she thought was a child abduction in the Gulf Cove area at about 10:30 a.m."

As for the "every time someone struggles with their child" part, that's also what it ways: "She described a man in a red pickup with pool supplies in the back struggling with a girl between 6 and 12 years old."

You got me. Clearly there was nothing else discussed, such as him driving off, etc. She just called police and said, "Hey, some guy was struggling with his child."

And the slippery slope thing is totally called for here, too.

Law enforcement should know to always ignore any calls about potential kidnappings, apparently.

ronaprhys: CrispFlows:
Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

Are you looking to get into an untapped audience?

Untapped? Really?

EmployeeOfTheMinute: CrispFlows:

Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?


Do you know how I know you're a pedo?

You know how I know you accuse those that question guatanamo's policies as terrorists?

BrotherGilmore: We must save all the childs, even if it means destroying all the (potentially bad sometimes) adultses. Even if just ONE CHILDS IS SAVED, then all the sacrificed (potentially bad and probably sometimes are and so they deserve it) adultses are worth it!1111111

Exactly who was sacrificed here?

BrotherGilmore: We must save all the childs, even if it means destroying all the (potentially bad sometimes) adultses. Even if just ONE CHILDS IS SAVED, then all the sacrificed (potentially bad and probably sometimes are and so they deserve it) adultses are worth it!1111111

Wow, the retard is strong here. What should the police have done?

tonesskin: Law enforcement should know to always ignore any calls about potential kidnappings, apparently.

Because their only options are "ignore" or "mobilize everything they have". There's no in-between.

tonesskin: fredklein: tonesskin: Wasilla Hillbilly: Yeah let's call out a manhunt every time someone 'struggles' with their child.

Because that is totally what happened here.

Um, actually, it was.

Sheriff's deputies set a staging area in a grocery store parking lot at State Road 776 and County Road 771. Detectives and dog, marine and aviation units began searching the area and running down leads.

Sounds like a manhunt to me. Actually, the article uses that exact word: "The large manhunt came after a woman reported what she thought was a child abduction in the Gulf Cove area at about 10:30 a.m."

As for the "every time someone struggles with their child" part, that's also what it ways: "She described a man in a red pickup with pool supplies in the back struggling with a girl between 6 and 12 years old."

You got me. Clearly there was nothing else discussed, such as him driving off, etc. She just called police and said, "Hey, some guy was struggling with his child."

And the slippery slope thing is totally called for here, too.

Law enforcement should know to always ignore any calls about potential kidnappings, apparently.

According to the daughter and the father, there was nothing that was close to a "struggle". The problem was with the woman assuming it was an abduction. $10 says she spends a lot of time watching AMW, reruns of Dateline, and the Oxygen Channel.

CrispFlows: Tequila Monster: A 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old

Pics or I don't believe it!

/winks

Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

Have you not heard of something called Barely Legal?



This girl has been 18 for like 3 years now



Yes, that cherry is being consumed by a 19 year old.(at least)

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tonesskin: You got me. Clearly there was nothing else discussed, such as him driving off, etc. She just called police and said, "Hey, some guy was struggling with his child."

And the slippery slope thing is totally called for here, too.

Law enforcement should know to always ignore any calls about potential kidnappings, apparently.

As long as the caller doesn't have a history of calling in dogs for robbing banks and the like, they've got to react appropriately. I might think it was a bit overkill, but probably not too far considering the potential ramifications.

tonesskin: Untapped? Really?

I was going to say legally untapped as there's plenty of stuff floating around, but the legality might be suspect.

Then I realized that I forgot about Rule 34.

ScreamingInDigital: tonesskin: Law enforcement should know to always ignore any calls about potential kidnappings, apparently.

Because their only options are "ignore" or "mobilize everything they have". There's no in-between.

Well, it is Florida. Chances are they're not doing too much anyway.

So this woman is a moron, it's not the cops job to question every phone call they receive.

"Now are you SURE you're being attacked? Really? Really? Ok, how about now? Are you SURE? Sorry I don't believe you, call back later."

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Why do I have a feeling you spend a lot of time on 4chan?

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Why do I have a feeling you spend a lot of time on 4chan?

What is it about some males that they are afraid of any female, no matter how verifiably adult they are, that seems to be less than 30 years old, or doesn't have tits out to next week?

Knara: According to the daughter and the father, there was nothing that was close to a "struggle". The problem was with the woman assuming it was an abduction. $10 says she spends a lot of time watching AMW, reruns of Dateline, and the Oxygen Channel.

Probably, but the police response seems appropriate.

ScreamingInDigital: tonesskin: Law enforcement should know to always ignore any calls about potential kidnappings, apparently.

Because their only options are "ignore" or "mobilize everything they have". There's no in-between.

You really think they "mobilized everything?"

Okay, I was clearly off. The police should have sent two patrol cars to the scene to take a report--obviously they overreacted.

Hindsight bias ROCKS! The police only "overreacted" because the woman was wrong. If the guy really did kidnap some chick and kill her, people would talk about the incompetence of the cops and how they didn't use all of the tools at their disposal.

CrispFlows:
Oh, that reminds me...

If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?


My understanding is it is legal as long as the actor/actress doesn't portray a minor.

First pr0n chick I thought of.
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Knara: What is it about some males that they are afraid of any female, no matter how verifiably adult they are, that seems to be less than 30 years old, or doesn't have tits out to next week?

What is it about someone that makes them take "you probably spend lots of time at 4chan" to equate to "I'm afraid of any female that looks under 30." Oh yeah, mental retardation.

I wonder what they were doing that was perceived as a struggle. Moving pool cleaning supplies around the back of the truck bed?

Knara: What is it about some males that they are afraid of any female, no matter how verifiably adult they are, that seems to be less than 30 years old, or doesn't have tits out to next week?

Ummmm what the hell are you talking about?

H_is_for_Heretic: CrispFlows: Tequila Monster: A 17 year old that looks like a 6 year old

Pics or I don't believe it!

/winks

Oh, that reminds me...
If porn was produced of an 18 year old that looks like a 6-12 years old, is it considered CP or legal porn - even though ID records was kept?

Have you not heard of something called Barely Legal?

This girl has been 18 for like 3 years now

Yes, that cherry is being consumed by a 19 year old.(at least)

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Somebody's goin' to the special hell.