If one assumes the existence of God, then logically one can only come to one of two conclusions: God is either powerful (possibly omnipotent) and unjust, or God is impotent and may as well not exist.

Either way, not worth worrying about. If you are going to go green, do it for the sake of future generations.

/that should get things off to a hot start
//flame on
///bed time on this side of the planet. enjoy your flame war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbp_3Axrr8

And this time they don't mean just cash for a change.

Seems to make sense ... after all, what difference will one more irrational faith make to you? Global warming is a RELIGION not a science. Would any so-called scientists like to explain the 0c temperatures outside my front door this morning? That's far from "warming".

How much fossil fuel is wasted driving to church every week?

If god wanted us green, wouldn't he just change the world? This is a sin against god.

see you in hell Christians, MUAHAHAHAAHA

This just in, not all Christians are gay-bashing, megachurch-attending, Bible-thumping SUV drivers.

And those who are... to you I say: the Romans ended up on the wrong side of history too.

Trickinosis: If god wanted us green, wouldn't he just change the world? This is a sin against god.

see you in hell Christians, MUAHAHAHAAHA

Hahahaha

/I slept in instead of going to church this morning...

eqtworld: If I had a religion I would tell people to do the things secular people do, after such things have become popular

It's obviously God's will that everyone became so interested in the Green movement, he works in mysterious ways, etc, etc

Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive... oh wait, they are.

mister aj: Seems to make sense ... after all, what difference will one more irrational faith make to you? Global warming is a RELIGION not a science. Would any so-called scientists like to explain the 0c temperatures outside my front door this morning? That's far from "warming".

wow, it must suck to be so ignorant.

Trickinosis: wow, it must suck to be so ignorant.

Ignorant people are, in general, happier than those who are not ignorant.

However, would you willingly trade your knowledge away, if you knew it would make you happier? I wouldn't.

As biotic life, we are compelled to consume and multiply at our maximum potential. Anything less is an insult to our prolific, voracious ancestors.

Don't meddle with the great experiment of evolution. The world will roll on without us when we're gone.

Regrettably, she says, the Christian church has not been as diligent as it should.

You mean those people who feel our abundant consumption will hasten the end times, or those who believe they see Armageddon upon the horizon? Not a majority, I know, but they've the clout you say "can move mountains", they use it, and they are crazy. Do you know how much easier it is to sell their product than it is to convince someone to go green?

The Bible says that humans are stewards of the earth, not the owners, and that humans are supposed to protect Earth in God's name. Leviticus 25:23 states, "The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants." Unfortunately, direct environmentalism hasn't always been at the forefront of Christian issues, but it's nice to see it becoming important.

No Such Agency: This just in, not all Christians are gay-bashing, megachurch-attending, Bible-thumping SUV drivers.

Not all, just most.

Like I said yesterday, some people have more mild cases of mental illness than others, the symptoms may manifest themselves in more subtle ways in some people.

But according to the definition laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, you are all delusional.

Brainmask: As biotic life, we are compelled to consume and multiply at our maximum potential. Anything less is an insult to our prolific, voracious ancestors.

Don't meddle with the great experiment of evolution. The world will roll on without us when we're gone.

You do realize our capacity for foresight is an evolved trait, correct? And that our fitness is not merely our own ability to reproduce but to reproduce viable offspring?

Kali-Yuga: eqtworld: If I had a religion I would tell people to do the things secular people do, after such things have become popular

It's obviously God's will that everyone became so interested in the Green movement, he works in mysterious ways, etc, etc

Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive... oh wait, they are.

Hahahaha, holy crap, is that real? I know they had some athiest bus slogans in the U.K. but did that one actually make it?

McManus_brothers: Leviticus 25:23 states, "The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants."

God must've taken a drubbing in the housing market crash.

Kali-Yuga: Not all, just most.

Like I said yesterday, some people have more mild cases of mental illness than others, the symptoms may manifest themselves in more subtle ways in some people.

But according to the definition laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, you are all delusional.

Wow, so...out of Earth's 6.7 billion people, I'd say roughly 4.5-5 billion of them have a mental disorder? You must be the life of the party, Debbie Downer.

mister aj: Seems to make sense ... after all, what difference will one more irrational faith make to you? Global warming is a RELIGION not a science. Would any so-called scientists like to explain the 0c temperatures outside my front door this morning? That's far from "warming".

LOL
classic

Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: God must've taken a drubbing in the housing market crash.

Something tells me he's taking the long view. Either that or just planning on hitting "Reset" again.

McManus_brothers: Leviticus 25:23 states, "The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants."

I'm sure since you're so concerned with obeying the rules laid out in Leviticus you still make animal sacrifices, refuse to eat shellfish or pork, avoid women during that time of the month, or wear any clothing made from more than one material.

Ah yes, now they are using burning sunflower oil to rain down on Muslims trying to take Jerusalem.

If they wanted to go especially green, they could stop reproducing.
That would take care of the population crisis.

No Such Agency: This just in, not all Christians are gay-bashing, megachurch-attending, Bible-thumping SUV drivers.

Not all, just most.

Like I said yesterday, some people have more mild cases of mental illness than others, the symptoms may manifest themselves in more subtle ways in some people.

But according to the definition laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, you are all delusional.

aaaaaand thread over.

BTW-just read your bio and was wondering what exactly theory majors study? Does it include a lot of arranging and composing?

"And then Jesus did purge the temple of incandescent lighting!"
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what their cars emit."

/yay for blasphemy

Kierkegaard's Pseudonym:
McManus_brothers: Leviticus 25:23 states, "The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants."

God must've taken a drubbing in the housing market crash.

God still retains ownership and the property is not mortgaged. The idea that a property whose market value decreases but is not subsequently bought or sold represents a capital loss is a fallacy of modern capitalism. Not God's problem.

/atheist

LeChevalier: Ah yes, now they are using burning sunflower oil to rain down on Muslims trying to take Jerusalem.

All sacrifices must be organic produce.

James F. Campbell: Ignorant people are, in general, happier than those who are not ignorant, at least until the shiat hits the fan.

Sorry, pet peeve.

Its interesting, all the Christians I knew back in the States were kind of environmentalist, except only in private ways. Several of them kept compost piles and recycled, but still drove wasteful cars and didn't have a clue about global warming. Must be a generation gap thing, I guess the first wave of environmentalism has been more successfully internalized by the public at large.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Hahahaha, holy crap, is that real? I know they had some athiest bus slogans in the U.K. but did that one actually make it?

Try going here ^{(^)}

McManus_brothers: The Bible says that humans are stewards of the earth, not the owners, and that humans are supposed to protect Earth in God's name. Leviticus 25:23 states, "The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants." Unfortunately, direct environmentalism hasn't always been at the forefront of Christian issues, but it's nice to see it becoming important.

The problem is, the Christian leaders, either politician or preacher, who get richer on the returns of an energy or military company making money, don't really promote that part of the bible. They instead promote their own agenda by leaving out essential areas which talk about being a steward of the earth, ignore "Thou shalt not kill," and other issues which could be considered 'liberal' when it is actually part of their religion.

No Christian leader would ever promote the values that they do, unless they get something out of it. For Pat Robertson, all his preaching about the "good leader" of Zaire while he was making diamond riches off that country. In smaller terms, a mega church pastor may be happy with a few more Christian converts in terms of tithes paid out to his personal coffers (especially if that pastor is the kind that needs a second mansion or a new Learjet). Though there is always the contradiction, such as the Catholic church preaching help for the poor, when they are the wealthiest church in the world and even the wealthiest land owner in Manhattan.

Did 'God' speak to me? I think I'm farking deaf. I know my wife thinks I am.

Kali-Yuga: I'm sure since you're so concerned with obeying the rules laid out in Leviticus you still make animal sacrifices, refuse to eat shellfish or pork, avoid women during that time of the month, or wear any clothing made from more than one material.

I never said any of that, and it's totally irrelevant to this discussion. I was simply providing a quote showing the case for environmentalism in the Bible. I'm sorry your apparent disgust for Christianity makes you feel that you need to instinctively bash anything and everything related to it.

Farking Zardwarks: All sacrifices must be organic produce.

God doesn't like sacrifices of fruit and vegetables. Just ask Cain.

Blood for the blood god.

McManus_brothers: Wow, so...out of Earth's 6.7 billion people, I'd say roughly 4.5-5 billion of them have a mental disorder? You must be the life of the party, Debbie Downer.

Do you honestly find that surprising? Turned on the t.v. lately? Read the news lately? Would a planet full of sane people act like that?

We've all learned to live with insanity, that's the problem.

Kali-Yuga: eqtworld: If I had a religion I would tell people to do the things secular people do, after such things have become popular

It's obviously God's will that everyone became so interested in the Green movement, he works in mysterious ways, etc, etc

Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive... oh wait, they are.

Hahahaha, holy crap, is that real? I know they had some athiest bus slogans in the U.K. but did that one actually make it?

No, I'm pretty sure this one is photoshopped. Too bad, I prefer it to the "There's probably no god, now stop worrying and enjoy your life" (which was better than nothing I suppose).

McManus_brothers: Wow, so...out of Earth's 6.7 billion people, I'd say roughly 4.5-5 billion of them have a mental disorder? You must be the life of the party, Debbie Downer.

Look at the amount of people diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, autism, and depression alone, and it doesn't seem to far fetched to believe that most people do have some sort of mental disorder.

But there are a lot of people out there that would be considered to be "high-functioning" mentally ill people.

The three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional:

* certainty (held with absolute conviction)

* incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)

* impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)


And from the DSM-IV:

The following can indicate a delusion:

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

3. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

4. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse a strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

5. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.

6. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.

7. Often claims to "speak with God" or would be described as having belief in a deity of some form or another.

Vangor: Brainmask: As biotic life, we are compelled to consume and multiply at our maximum potential. Anything less is an insult to our prolific, voracious ancestors.

Don't meddle with the great experiment of evolution. The world will roll on without us when we're gone.

You do realize our capacity for foresight is an evolved trait, correct? And that our fitness is not merely our own ability to reproduce but to reproduce viable offspring?

Humanity has a capacity for foresight? Individually, sure, I'm in control of my life, relatively speaking, but as a group, we are by no means more self-aware than various other herd animals. Our populations grow to fit our environment, and when that environment changes our population adapts, either by growing again if conditions become more favourable, or by crashing if we no longer have the resources to sustain ourselves.

"Viable" as it applies to human life is a vague concept. We will continue to reproduce until we can't.

James F. Campbell: Farking Zardwarks: All sacrifices must be organic produce.

God doesn't like sacrifices of fruit and vegetables. Just ask Cain.

Blood for the blood god.

Well, then only be free-range oxen.

/Slaanesh, FTW

No Such Agency: God still retains ownership and the property is not mortgaged. The idea that a property whose market value decreases but is not subsequently bought or sold represents a capital loss is a fallacy of modern capitalism. Not God's problem.

I assume we still have to pay some form of spiritual rent though, being tenants and all, and that's tied to the underlying property values. Maybe instead of six prayers per month, it costs five for a two-bedroom on the shady part of town. He may not realize a loss in immediate capital, but his spiritual liquidity is going to take a hit.

Vangor: Brainmask: As biotic life, we are compelled to consume and multiply at our maximum potential. Anything less is an insult to our prolific, voracious ancestors.

Don't meddle with the great experiment of evolution. The world will roll on without us when we're gone.

You do realize our capacity for foresight is an evolved trait, correct? And that our fitness is not merely our own ability to reproduce but to reproduce viable offspring?

I think you overstate our capacity for foresight. So... good luck convincing the herd not to reproduce and consume as much as humanly possible.

Us true Xians will ignore this "go green" crap, for we know that god created this earth for his true followers to use up entirely. We can ravage and destroy it to our hearts desire because we know that we will only need it until the rapture comes. Then you godless heathens can keep what little is left of it. And knowing god and his habit of doing things at just the right time, the rapture will come just as we are running out of earth.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Hahahaha, holy crap, is that real? I know they had some athiest bus slogans in the U.K. but did that one actually make it?

Last month's atheist-bus-sign-generator thread (pops) was EPIC!

It's pathetic that those who consider religion completely irrational spend so much time attempting to reassure themselves of their certainty.

If I thought something was complete fantasy I wouldn't waste my time debating. Obviously though, Christians making an effort to protect the environment is dangerous. No paranoia there.

No Such Agency: This just in, not all Christians are gay-bashing, megachurch-attending, Bible-thumping SUV drivers.

And those who are... to you I say: the Romans ended up on the wrong side of history too.

This.

/Believer in G-d
//has no problem with those who aren't.
///does have a problem with Christians who are missing the farkin' point.

Kali-Yuga: eqtworld: If I had a religion I would tell people to do the things secular people do, after such things have become popular

It's obviously God's will that everyone became so interested in the Green movement, he works in mysterious ways, etc, etc

Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive... oh wait, they are.

My wife saw that picture and almost fell out of her chair, laughing.

Do you know if it's 'shopped, or was/is it a real advertisement?

We are the keepers of the World God created for us. We should take care of it.

One Thirty-two and Bush Quote 2009-04-19 02:38:01 PM
How much fossil fuel is wasted driving to church every week?
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How much fossil fuel is wasted driving to bars, nightclubs, strip clubs, sporting events and just plain cruising?

Brainmask: "Viable" as it applies to human life is a vague concept. We will continue to reproduce until we can't.

This would be my point. Merely mass-reproducing means nothing as to viability.

Further, you're arguing a lack of collective foresight despite a real, current ability to see certain limitations to population, resources, production, etc., and adjustments being made with regard to those limits? This is not an overnight process, but considering we haven't long known the forests, oceans, sky, etc., all end, I would say we're far more aware than other group, and you don't give us enough credit.

mister aj: Seems to make sense ... after all, what difference will one more irrational faith make to you? Global warming is a RELIGION not a science. Would any so-called scientists like to explain the 0c temperatures outside my front door this morning? That's far from "warming".

Nice!

6/10

By the FSM, can the christians do NOTHING to make you snarkies happy?