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(Gawker) Obvious NYT columnist admits that "fag" is not necessarily an insult to legitimate butt pirates   (gawker.com) divider line 56
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Trajan's Call'Em [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 11:33:43 AM  
What about "rump ranger?"

 
7of7 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 11:36:07 AM  
The fine denizens of 4chan will be relieved to hear that.

 
rocinante721 2009-04-18 11:37:44 AM  

 
Agent Nick Fury [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 12:26:55 PM  
It is funny reading in the English press that the Prime Ministers son was photographed with a fag in his mouth.
Don't really know why it is so funny.
/Just is.

 
dillenger69 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 12:31:49 PM  
What is he, some kind of turd burglar?

 
HappyHarryHardOn [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 12:35:52 PM  
I agree. It has nothing to do with gays. I call people "fag" to designate the fact that they are hopelessly effeminate and lack masculine traits

for example, when I see a guy putting on chapstick. He looks like a fag. Doesn't mean he likes to give knob-shines. Just an impolite extension of "metrosexual"

 
LordZorch [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 12:36:21 PM  
Oddly enough, when gays call someone a "fag", it is usually a term of disgust and derision for being too flaming and fabulous...

 
40yoVirgin [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 12:37:00 PM  
FTFC: Oh, Judith, you twat.
(I don't mean anything misogynist by that, I swear...)


Bwaaaaahhahaahhaahaha!

 
gopher321 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 12:53:39 PM  
What, ass bandit has gone out of style?

 
hillbillypharmacist [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 01:07:37 PM  
gopher321: What, ass bandit has gone out of style?

That's going too far, you bastard

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 01:19:36 PM  
One of the dumbest arguments posted to Fark in the last few years.

 
WhyteRaven74 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 01:29:41 PM  
DamnYankees: One of the dumbest arguments posted to Fark in the last few years.

Oh come on, the Politics tab gets worse than this pretty well daily.

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 01:29:58 PM  
WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: One of the dumbest arguments posted to Fark in the last few years.

Oh come on, the Politics tab gets worse than this pretty well daily.


No, you shut up!

 
rocinante721 2009-04-18 01:40:33 PM  
img6.imageshack.us

^^ Been there; done that (new window)

 
rocinante721 2009-04-18 01:48:23 PM  
Anyone else used to call each other "boces" (interchangabe with retard)?

Probably a local thing (Westchester Co, NY)

 
gopher321 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 02:25:59 PM  
hillbillypharmacist: gopher321: What, ass bandit has gone out of style?

That's going too far, you bastard


Yes, the last thing we need is 'going too far' when talking about buttsex

 
video man 2009-04-18 02:59:23 PM  
7of7: The fine denizens of 4chan will be relieved to hear that.

I sense quite the newfag here.

 
Bloody William 2009-04-18 03:00:10 PM  
HappyHarryHardOn: I agree. It has nothing to do with gays. I call people "fag" to designate the fact that they are hopelessly effeminate and lack masculine traits

for example, when I see a guy putting on chapstick. He looks like a fag. Doesn't mean he likes to give knob-shines. Just an impolite extension of "metrosexual"


My lips chap easily, you insensitive coont!

 
Roger Arseways 2009-04-18 03:06:40 PM  
rocinante721: Anyone else used to call each other "boces" (interchangabe with retard)?

Probably a local thing (Westchester Co, NY)


we said that out west in Rochester. maybe just an NYS thing?

 
crab66 2009-04-18 03:08:45 PM  
Hershey Highwayman?


Browneye Bandit?


Manhole Intruder?


Anal Avenger?


Crapshoot Conquistador?



Are any of these working for you?

 
olderbudnoweiser 2009-04-18 03:08:45 PM  
rocinante721: Anyone else used to call each other "boces" (interchangabe with retard)?

Probably a local thing (Westchester Co, NY)


I am going to Hell in a short bus.

 
Jeff Paine 2009-04-18 03:14:04 PM  
That article's gay.

 
Dr.Zom 2009-04-18 03:17:00 PM  
Bunch of 'mos.

 
destructor muffin 2009-04-18 03:19:27 PM  
Jeff Paine: That article's gay.

You're pretty gay.

 
NRkeyQueer 2009-04-18 03:19:29 PM  
I'll just leave this here

 
Tripp Johnston Private Eye 2009-04-18 03:20:45 PM  
Anyone who thinks the phrase "turd burglar" is funny...

has obviously never had a turd burgled from them.


:(

 
WhyteRaven74 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 03:22:24 PM  
DamnYankees: No, you shut up!

*golf clap*

 
blueyedevil 2009-04-18 03:23:24 PM  
Surprise, cock-fag!!

 
andrewagill 2009-04-18 03:38:32 PM  
i158.photobucket.com

Mr. Butts would like to point out that there's nothing wrong with being an enormous fag.

 
Harry Ovaries 2009-04-18 03:55:30 PM  
Did you know that gay used to mean 'happy?' When I was growing up, it meant 'lame.' And now, it means a man who makes love to other men. We're all homos. Homo sapiens.

 
TheShavingofOccam123 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 04:27:20 PM  
I think I watched too much Will and Grace. I hope "mos" isn't an offensive term. I'm sorry if it is. I won't use it anymore. I promise.

 
No Such Agency 2009-04-18 04:45:37 PM  
Bloody William:
HappyHarryHardOn: I agree. It has nothing to do with gays. I call people "fag" to designate the fact that they are hopelessly effeminate and lack masculine traits

for example, when I see a guy putting on chapstick. He looks like a fag. Doesn't mean he likes to give knob-shines. Just an impolite extension of "metrosexual"

My lips chap easily, you insensitive coont!


You need to stop compulsively grooming your tail. I recommend a cone.

www.notadinnerparty.com

 
USCLaw2010 2009-04-18 04:46:13 PM  
img.photobucket.com

 
Erebus1954 2009-04-18 04:51:30 PM  
Thought it was a cigarette.

 
McBotulism 2009-04-18 05:01:17 PM  
img.photobucket.com

 
Dwight_Yeast 2009-04-18 05:08:06 PM  
I have nothing to add, except that I'd like o see more of the guy in teh Butte Pirates shirt.

 
I_Love_Cheesecake 2009-04-18 05:20:13 PM  
Bum darts?

 
TheShavingofOccam123 [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 05:21:38 PM  
Harry Ovaries: Did you know that gay used to mean 'happy?' When I was growing up, it meant 'lame.' And now, it means a man who makes love to other men. We're all homos. Homo sapiens.

You sound human.

 
Garble 2009-04-18 05:58:17 PM  
HappyHarryHardOn
I agree. It has nothing to do with gays. I call people "fag" to designate the fact that they are hopelessly effeminate and lack masculine traits

Really? Nothing whatsoever? You just 100% mean mannerisms and in no way are insinuating a dig at sexuality? C'mon.

Look, homophobia is everywhere. Even us gheys do it when we advertise "str8-acting" in personal ads. It's in our culture, and it doesn't look like it's going away. The only consolation is that the homophobia in this generation is becoming less mean-spirited. "We support giving you rights, we just wanna use you to measure lameness."

I can deal with that. But I can't farking stand this "I want to do/say blatantly homophobic things, but I don't want to be called out for it" bullshiat. It's as dishonest as the Prop8 folks who get all whiny when you suggest they aren't being gay-friendly.

 
burndtdan 2009-04-18 06:07:47 PM  
i89.photobucket.com

Paul Smecker: What are you doing?
Hojo: I just wanted to cuddle.
Paul Smecker: Cuddle? What a fag.

 
burndtdan 2009-04-18 06:09:17 PM  
Garble: HappyHarryHardOn
I agree. It has nothing to do with gays. I call people "fag" to designate the fact that they are hopelessly effeminate and lack masculine traits

Really? Nothing whatsoever? You just 100% mean mannerisms and in no way are insinuating a dig at sexuality? C'mon.

Look, homophobia is everywhere. Even us gheys do it when we advertise "str8-acting" in personal ads. It's in our culture, and it doesn't look like it's going away. The only consolation is that the homophobia in this generation is becoming less mean-spirited. "We support giving you rights, we just wanna use you to measure lameness."

I can deal with that. But I can't farking stand this "I want to do/say blatantly homophobic things, but I don't want to be called out for it" bullshiat. It's as dishonest as the Prop8 folks who get all whiny when you suggest they aren't being gay-friendly.


putting your penis in the anus of another man doesn't really have much of anything to do with being effeminate. i know some pretty girly straight men, and i know some pretty macho gay men.

 
burndtdan 2009-04-18 06:14:33 PM  
best comments from TFA

morninggloria: When I use the word "fag" as an insult, it is because the target of said insult has irritated me and they are either: very skinny (fag meaning "bundle of sticks") or so obnoxious that they give me cancer (European cigarette).

jiminy.peep: When I insult someone by calling them "gay," I am referring to their grating joviality that just kills my sullen cynicism.

TillieHarper: When I call someone a "butt pirate" I am using the term only to explain to them that they have pillaged my booty whilst I was unawares or incapable of preventing them from doing so.

 
bobbette [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 06:16:40 PM  
Right, bashing people for a perceived lack of masculinity by using a term that has been used to insult homosexuals for decades has nothing to do with gay people!

Even if you aren't literally thinking of a gay person when you use the word it's the assumptions that underly it - that being a "fag" is the same as being weak, effeminate, girly - and therefore, less than a man - are profoundly homophobic. And it's why when "fag" is considered off limits in the class room words like "queer" or "homo" get substituted, instead of something else that references lack of masculinity.

You have to be a f*cking moron - or just profoundly ignorant - to argue that there is nothing to do with gays when the word "fag" is used.

I think 4chan's use of the term has something to do with that community actually reclaiming an insult I would assume has been used against everyone in that community, if they really are the pasty nerds they seem to be. Is it homophobic, despite it kind of being used as simultaneously a badge of honour, a declaration of bad taste and ignorance, and a denigration of everyone else there? F*cked if I know, I haven't spent enough time at 4chan to find out.

 
burndtdan 2009-04-18 06:22:10 PM  
bobbette: You have to be a f*cking moron - or just profoundly ignorant - to argue that there is nothing to do with gays when the word "fag" is used.

or, maybe it's possible that to some people, especially those too young to even really perceive what homosexuality is (or even heterosexuality for that matter), it's just stock insult #3, which they perceive (for reasons they don't really understand) is a bit more scandalous than the more benign insults like "doodyhead".

wasn't the point that it isn't about homosexuality when young kids use it?

my brother-in-law held his middle finger out and made gun noises when he was a kid. his mom asked what he was doing, horrified. he explained to her that he was "shooting birds".

 
Garble 2009-04-18 06:37:01 PM  
burndtdan
putting your penis in the anus of another man doesn't really have much of anything to do with being effeminate. i know some pretty girly straight men, and i know some pretty macho gay men.

And I've known some black people who are lighter than George Hamilton. But that doesn't change cultural associations.

For instance, that Boondock Saints clip you posted (which is my favorite Willam Defoe moment ever) only works as comedy because of the irony of a gay man using the word "fag" as an insult.
If the term "fag" were truly divorced from homosexuality, that scene wouldn't be ironic or funny. It would just be a random moment of a guy being abusive to someone he slept with.

Please understand. As a gay man, I don't mind occasionally being the butt of a joke. I just wish people would be honest about it.

 
GWSuperfan 2009-04-18 06:42:23 PM  
Erebus1954: Thought it was a cigarette.

You sound British

/NTTAWWT

 
bobbette [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 06:43:59 PM  
burndtdan: bobbette: You have to be a f*cking moron - or just profoundly ignorant - to argue that there is nothing to do with gays when the word "fag" is used.

or, maybe it's possible that to some people, especially those too young to even really perceive what homosexuality is (or even heterosexuality for that matter), it's just stock insult #3, which they perceive (for reasons they don't really understand) is a bit more scandalous than the more benign insults like "doodyhead".

wasn't the point that it isn't about homosexuality when young kids use it?

my brother-in-law held his middle finger out and made gun noises when he was a kid. his mom asked what he was doing, horrified. he explained to her that he was "shooting birds".


So you're saying the kids not understanding it when they're using it means it has nothing to do with gay people, or no effect?

Where are the kids getting the word from? And, what does it imply to the kids who are on the receiving end of the word? It is not neutral. And it is not non-homophobic, especially to the kids on the receiving end of it.

What you're saying is the same defence as people who use a slur out of ignorance. They don't know what they're doing, so there's no effect, right? They didn't know the implication of calling a Muslim guy "terrorist" or an Asian "chink". But to the person who gets called a slur, and the other people around who hear the slur, there's definitely an effect. The ignorance of the person using these words and the intent they individually have is only a small part of the picture that reinforces the homophobia, or racism, associated with the slur.

 
whidbey [TotalFark] 2009-04-18 06:47:35 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Have you got a light, boy?

/obscure?
//nothing is obscure on Fark

 
starsrift 2009-04-18 07:36:11 PM  
What, has 'poo head' gone out of style?

 
The Dog Ate The Constitution 2009-04-18 08:11:33 PM  
When I call blacks "Sambos", it has nothing to do with the derogatory meaning that was created during colonial times, I simply am referring to some meaning I made up.
Why cant blacks understand that?

 
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