That is definitely cool.

FTFA: "On the contrary, it seems to me that denying two consenting adults of the same sex the right to form a lawful union that is protected and respected by the state denies them two of the most basic natural rights affirmed in the preamble of our Declaration of Independence - liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

A-farking-men. It is absolutely mind-boggling that we're even asking ourselves whether gays can be considered citizens and enjoy the full set of rights as people who like the opposite sex. I haven't heard anyone give an argument against gay marriage that did not somehow involve religious beliefs. And to those people, I say: You don't have to like it.

Expect these people to be pushed from the GOP for being liberal.

This will be another litmus test for Real Republicans (TM) in the near future.

Another problem with getting gays into the Republican party is that gay people tend to be better educated and, well, the Republican party isn't exactly keen on intellectual accomplishment, either.

Isn't it sad that someone saying a homosexuals should have the same rights as anyone else is a news story? Anyway, bravo to them. I'm sure they'll catch a lot of flack from their party.

hold on just a second.


are you telling me that same sex marriage ... wait... that it's POSSIBLE....hold on.... that where you stick your privates is no big deal?

and a Republican is telling me this?

likefunbutnot: Another problem with getting gays into the Republican party is that gay people tend to be better educated and, well, the Republican party isn't exactly keen on intellectual accomplishment, either.

That is absolute bullshiat. Just because you don't agree with someone does not necessarily mean they are stupid.

Also, I've met my share of stupid gays. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how smart someone is.

Lame argument all around. I give it a -12 out of 10.

I can see it now :

Just as soon as it's "OK" to be gay and republican the entire Republican party is going to have a big "coming out" festival?

that would be the most awesome thing. evar.

Wait...Republicans, acting like REAL Republicans?

*thud*

DirkValentine: Just as soon as it's "OK" to be gay and republican the entire Republican party is going to have a big "coming out" festival?

that would be the most awesome thing. evar.

Have you ever been to a Republican "party"? I mean, I know that politics is acting for ugly people but DAMN!

*shutter*

Di Atribe: That is absolute bullshiat. Just because you don't agree with someone does not necessarily mean they are stupid.

Not all Republicans are stupid, but that they're anti-intellectual. A big part of their attacks on liberals is that they're elitist and Ivy-league.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DirkValentine: Just as soon as it's "OK" to be gay and republican the entire Republican party is going to have a big "coming out" festival?

that would be the most awesome thing. evar.

Have you ever been to a Republican "party"? I mean, I know that politics is acting for ugly people but DAMN!

*shutter*


totally. when i said "awesome" i meant it in the pejorative sense.

Di Atribe: Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how smart someone is.

Gay people are more likely to have attained a college degree. This is a fact. I made no statement about anyone's actual intellect.

Di Atribe: likefunbutnot: Another problem with getting gays into the Republican party is that gay people tend to be better educated and, well, the Republican party isn't exactly keen on intellectual accomplishment, either.

That is absolute bullshiat. Just because you don't agree with someone does not necessarily mean they are stupid.

Also, I've met my share of stupid gays. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how smart someone is.

Lame argument all around. I give it a -12 out of 10.

you sound gay

"Let's go tell Simon. He is probably nancing around in his garden."

McCain's campaign didn't start turning completely negative and hard right until this guy took over. So don't get your hopes up that he will be the new moderate voice that is going save the GOP.

Di Atribe: likefunbutnot: Another problem with getting gays into the Republican party is that gay people tend to be better educated and, well, the Republican party isn't exactly keen on intellectual accomplishment, either.

That is absolute bullshiat. Just because you don't agree with someone does not necessarily mean they are stupid.

Also, I've met my share of stupid gays. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how smart someone is.

Lame argument all around. I give it a -12 out of 10.

There are lots of people on the conservative end of the spectrum who tend to very hostile toward higher education and "Ivy League elitism" (I think that's the phrase). Of course, these are the crazies who think Obama's a secret Muslim and that "Evilution" is poisoning the minds of the chilluns too, but they do exist. And they want Palin to be president.

The Icelander: A big part of their attacks on liberals is that they're elitist and Ivy-league.

Calling me educated by one of the nation's top schools? Yeah, they sure told me!

Tor_Eckman: McCain's campaign didn't start turning completely negative and hard right until this guy took over. So don't get your hopes up that he will be the new moderate voice that is going save the GOP.

True. Honestly, as a progressive, the only prominent moderate Republican that I actually don't get all stabby about right now is Meghan McCain, and *maybe* Paul Ryan.

likefunbutnot: Di Atribe: Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how smart someone is.

Gay people are more likely to have attained a college degree. This is a fact. I made no statement about anyone's actual intellect.

I think OPENLY gay people are more likely to be educated. I think it has more to do with familial acceptance being more prevalent in educated families since they aren't as likely to be restricted to Jesus, Guns and Skoal for their moral guidance.

I am sure the uneducated have plenty of gays, just that it's a lot harder to live that way in the middle of Indiana or whatever.

/All the gays I know are educated, but that's because all the people I know are educated.

Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench.

I have entered the matrix...

The Why Not Guy: Calling me educated by one of the nation's top schools? Yeah, they sure told me!

To someone who's not a conservative, it doesn't sound like an insult. People aspire to be intelligent and highly educated. But for some reason it's a bad thing.

Of course, if someone is actually educated at an Ivy League university (let's say Yale), then you just don't bring it up as long as he speaks with an accent and clears brush on the weekends.

MFL: What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench.

[Citation needed]

Seriously, can you name ONE Federal court case that relates to gay marriage rights?

FTFA: "Some Republicans believe the period of self-examination within the party necessitated by the loss of our majority status is mostly a question of whether the party should become more moderate or conservative. I think that's a false choice. We need to grow our coalition, but as I said, that's hard to do if we lose some votes while gaining others," says Schmidt.

So it's a political calculation. Yeah, he mentions the preamble to the DOI (which, as we know, is not binding law), and good on him for that, but even factoring in the political calculus makes this reek of a vote-grab.

The Icelander: A big part of their attacks on liberals is that they're elitist and Ivy-league.



I was surrounded by liberals at U Penn. They are hardly impressive, except in their own minds.

It was actually funny.


/was there for the Water Buffalo Incident... good times

PC LOAD LETTER All the gays I know are educated, but that's because all the people I know are educated.

If that's the case you need to get out more.

MFL: Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench.

The Federal Government has always overreached the states when the states act wrongly. Judges always legislate from the benches. It's what they do.

Do you think the Government acted appropriately by ending Slavery and forcing voting rights for Blacks even though both were a purely State's Rights issue with broad majority support for both Slavery and Jim Crow?

I figured that it would pretty pretty hard to predict how the wingers would react to this - so I popped over to FR to get a read on things.

So yeah.. they apparently don't like the gays.

Who knew?

They completely miss the point. Stop Evangelical Christians from controlling the GOP platform and reasonable policies will follow. They should stop negotiating and start reshaping.

Does the GOP platform mention anything about liking fish sticks?

MFL: Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench doing their job and enforcing state constitutions.

FTFY

Rescinding and apology to Rush Limbaugh in 5... 4... 3...

MFL: Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts.

Here's your sign:

MFL: Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states...

So you were against DOMA?

PC LOAD LETTER: I think OPENLY gay people are more likely to be educated.

They thing is, when you live in some backwater shiathole, like I do, academic achievement and the promise of finding other gay people at a college are huge carrot for getting out of the backwater shiathole.

That's very much part of the narrative my gay friends and relatives tell, when asked. It's a bit different nowadays, since some of the younger ones were able to be out in high school, but overwhelmingly, they looked forward to college to become the people they wanted to be.

In related news, McCain had aides.

MFL: PC LOAD LETTER All the gays I know are educated, but that's because all the people I know are educated.

If that's the case you need to get out more.

That's true in general.

MFL: What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench.

Can you explain this to me. Personally, I enjoy the fact that our judiciary has the power to tell their state thats what they are doing is against the law and constitution. By your logic (and with no applying racism to you) as a conservative you should disagree with Brown vs the board of education.

And people actually believed them when they said they didn't know what "tea bagging" was.

likefunbutnot: PC LOAD LETTER: I think OPENLY gay people are more likely to be educated.

They thing is, when you live in some backwater shiathole, like I do, academic achievement and the promise of finding other gay people at a college are huge carrot for getting out of the backwater shiathole.

That's very much part of the narrative my gay friends and relatives tell, when asked. It's a bit different nowadays, since some of the younger ones were able to be out in high school, but overwhelmingly, they looked forward to college to become the people they wanted to be.

True.

PC LOAD LETTER: MFL: Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench.

The Federal Government has always overreached the states when the states act wrongly. Judges always legislate from the benches. It's what they do.

Do you think the Government acted appropriately by ending Slavery and forcing voting rights for Blacks even though both were a purely State's Rights issue with broad majority support for both Slavery and Jim Crow?

to add to PC LOAD LETTER, I assume you support California's drug laws, and that the stores selling marijuana should not be raided by the DEA because California allows it. Even though Federal law states otherwise.

DarnoKonrad: MFL: Being a conservative, as long as gay marriage is handled through the state legislature and not the federal government or the courts.

Here's your sign:

who's the jackass that wrote with a SHARPIE on the flag? Isn't there a law against that

seriously, i'd like to cockpunch that asshole.

/looks like an expensive flag
//i wonder how much the tax on it was>.>

Butterflew: /looks like an expensive flag
//i wonder how much the tax on it was>.>

I wonder where it was manufactured.

For a long time now, we political know-it-alls here on FARK have seen a major split coming in the GOP.

Up until now, we have only know the players on the "turn right" side of the aisle (and Steele and others trying desparately to straddle the gap).

It was not until today that we found out who is trying to lead on the "be more moderate or die" side.

BTW, this is the same Steve Schmidt who started a war with the NY Times, so he's no liberal. Just being more of a realist.

PC LOAD LETTER: Judges always legislate from the benches. It's what they do.


It is not what they are supposed to do.


Most are megalomaniacs.

pootsie: It was not until today that we found out who is trying to lead on the "be more moderate or die" side.

Meghan McCain has been on that side for a while.

\Prefers moderate Republicans
\\But likes the freaks for the lulz

MFL: What I do have a problem with is the federal government overreaching the states and judges legislating from the bench.

Lundah Seriously, can you name ONE Federal court case that relates to gay marriage rights?

You don't have to be the federal supreme court to legislate from the bench. If the legislature votes it in (like they did in Vermont) then I have no problem with it. I do however have a problem with courts (at all levels) using their personal opinion to interpret the constitution and legislate morality. IMO the courts in this country way too political and have too much power as it is no matter what topic is being decided on.

The courts shouldn't be a politcal tool, they should be traditionalists that defend the constitiution (federal and state) as it was written.

So MFL, were you against DOMA?

me_the_farker:

Can you explain this to me.

Conservatives don't like the 14th Amendment. For some reason.