Don't forget the DHS boss who thinks the biggest threat to America is annoyed veterans.

A politician with links to the auto industry involved in a corruption sting related to pensions? Yeah, that's a schock.

give me doughnuts: Don't forget the DHS boss who thinks the biggest threat to America is annoyed veterans.

I think the biggest threat to America are people who take things out of context and who make a point to not read.

OK, I know the NYT site is Fark-unfriendly, but their story is much more informative. Part of the bribe money went to finance a low-budget movie called Chooch. NY is starting to seem a lot like IL.

I'm proud to a member of the Catholic threat to America. I need a t-shirt.

well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

Gosh, the Obama people did business with a bunch of New York Democrats who happened to be mixed up in...corruption? In my Albany? Who'da thunk?

Gulper Eel: Gosh, the Obama people did business with a bunch of New York Democrats who happened to be mixed up in...corruption? In my Albany? Who'da thunk?

Personally, I'm shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!

Hender: Personally, I'm shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!

filth: NY is starting to seem a lot like IL.

Starting to seem? New York teaches Illinois and New Jersey everything they know about corruption. The rest they used to learn by correspondence course from Louisiana until that stupid hurricane came along and peeled the roof off their tidy little arrangements down there.

doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

If the guy is found guilty of being part of any of it, sure.

There's this word in the article that subby seemed to gloss over.

"Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

filth: NY is starting to seem a lot like IL.

Boss Tweed wants a word with you.

Lando Lincoln: doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

If the guy is found guilty of being part of any of it, sure.

There's this word in the article that subby seemed to gloss over.

"Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

Subby used the word "linked" not "guilty" and according to article that is a true statement, linked he is.

Lando Lincoln: doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

If the guy is found guilty of being part of any of it, sure.

There's this word in the article that subby seemed to gloss over.

"Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

Ummm. No. Obama's not deciding whether to send this guy to jail; he's deciding whether to keep him on in a position of public trust over a public investment that is, at best, highly controversial. There's a huge credibility component to this guy's job because he's got to sell the investment opportunity in a way that doesn't look like throwing good money after bad.

Lando Lincoln: doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

If the guy is found guilty of being part of any of it, sure.

There's this word in the article that subby seemed to gloss over.

"Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

Yeh well, there's a lot of people "accused" in his administration. He reminds me of Bobby Bowden, unless you're convicted you start on Saturday.

Have we started attacking the submitter yet or am I too late?

Lando Lincoln: "Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

Yeah, but it doesn't apply here. In a bit of chicanery common to Albany, the payments are legal unless they're made directly to public officials, but since Rattner hired a middleman the law doesn't apply here. Convenient.

Amazing how crusading Eliot Spitzer missed all the pension fund corruption happening right under his nose while he was busy holding press conference about what a hotshot big swinging dick sticking it to The Man he was.

TheDumbBlonde: Yeh well, there's a lot of people "accused" in his administration.

Please list them.

filth: Lando Lincoln: doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

If the guy is found guilty of being part of any of it, sure.

There's this word in the article that subby seemed to gloss over.

"Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

Ummm. No. Obama's not deciding whether to send this guy to jail; he's deciding whether to keep him on in a position of public trust over a public investment that is, at best, highly controversial. There's a huge credibility component to this guy's job because he's got to sell the investment opportunity in a way that doesn't look like throwing good money after bad.

I heard filth has sex with animals on the regular. Awww, damn, now your political career is over.

See how easy that is?

newaddict: Subby used the word "linked" not "guilty" and according to article that is a true statement, linked he is.

And I used the phrase "glossed over" not "ignored."

Hender: I think the biggest threat to America are people who take things out of context and who make a point to not read.

So, pretty much the TF subscription list?

TheDumbBlonde: Yeh well, there's a lot of people "accused" in his administration. He reminds me of Bobby Bowden, unless you're convicted you start on Saturday.

HA! I swear, for the life of me, I cannot understand why ESPN was so concerned about the NCAA taking some wins of off Bowden's record in the wake of the academic scandal. The guy is as crooked as they come. Besides, FSU is damned lucky the NCAA didn't use the dreaded "failure to maintain institutional control" label.

/Sorry for the threadjack.

Gulper Eel: Starting to seem? New York teaches Illinois and New Jersey everything they know about corruption.

yep, we don't pay the highest taxes in the nation for the same services everyone gets for no reason...

TheDumbBlonde: Yeh well, there's a lot of people "accused" in his administration. He reminds me of Bobby Bowden, unless you're convicted you start on Saturday.

I don't see the problem there. Do you hate due process? That's not very American.

WaltzingMathilda: filth: Lando Lincoln: doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

If the guy is found guilty of being part of any of it, sure.

There's this word in the article that subby seemed to gloss over.

"Accused."

That word has a rather special meaning in our legal system.

Ummm. No. Obama's not deciding whether to send this guy to jail; he's deciding whether to keep him on in a position of public trust over a public investment that is, at best, highly controversial. There's a huge credibility component to this guy's job because he's got to sell the investment opportunity in a way that doesn't look like throwing good money after bad.

I heard filth has sex with animals on the regular. Awww, damn, now your political career is over.

See how easy that is?

My political career died with a teenaged, Thai hermaphrodite in 1983. No one could prosecute because the cops beat a confession out of me. But maybe I should apply with the White House, huh?

lunchinlewis: Hender: I think the biggest threat to America are people who take things out of context and who make a point to not read.

So, pretty much the TF subscription list?

ba-dum-TISH.

+1 intarnets.

Lando Lincoln: newaddict: Subby used the word "linked" not "guilty" and according to article that is a true statement, linked he is.

And I used the phrase "glossed over" not "ignored."

you can be linked to organized crime, that is out of context to being accused or guilty or innocent of a certain crime. the subby's statement stands. could have been written a lot more polarized, but was not. subby's still accurate. your post was a bit condescending, let's move on, nick picking.

give me doughnuts: Don't forget the DHS boss who thinks the biggest threat to America is annoyed veterans.

You mean the zero tolerance DHS boss who thinks that border lockdown would magically win the drug war?

filth: My political career died with a teenaged, Thai hermaphrodite in 1983. No one could prosecute because the cops beat a confession out of me. But maybe I should apply with the White House, huh?

Assuming you think everyone who could be "linked" to anything actually is guilty of something and is unfit for the job, then I would prefer you don't work in my government.

Maybe it is because from Illinois, or maybe it is because I suck at math, but there seem to be more crooks than Democrats and Republicans combined.

newaddict: you can be linked to organized crime, that is out of context to being accused or guilty or innocent of a certain crime. the subby's statement stands. could have been written a lot more polarized, but was not. subby's still accurate. your post was a bit condescending, let's move on, nick picking.

Fine. Let's move on.

According to the article...

There's this guy. His name is Steven Rattner. He's a Presidential adviser. He was also an executive of the Quadrangle Group, which is an investment firm. When he became a Presidential adviser, he quit the company.

This investment group has been accused of paying more than $1 million to a New York official's political aide in a bid to win a deal with the state pension fund. Other groups have been accused of similar payments.

The aide was indicted last month on corruption and bribery charges.

The SEC is looking into this.

Okay, quiz time:

Can you see where there may be some ways in which this Presidential adviser was not guilty of anything?

I can point out a few if you need help.

Hender: give me doughnuts: Don't forget the DHS boss who thinks the biggest threat to America is annoyed veterans.

I think the biggest threat to America are people who take things

Me too. I hate thieves.

WaltzingMathilda: filth: My political career died with a teenaged, Thai hermaphrodite in 1983. No one could prosecute because the cops beat a confession out of me. But maybe I should apply with the White House, huh?

Assuming you think everyone who could be "linked" to anything actually is guilty of something and is unfit for the job, then I would prefer you don't work in my government.

Ah, the Fark Flying Apologists Brigade is turning out in force. OK, let's define "linked." Founded firm. Actively managed firm until joining Administration. Actually met with people now under indictment and arranged investmets that allegedly secured access to pension program.

Now the WH is saying it knew about the investigation (and presumably was not worried), so we can wait to see what the explanation is. But it doesn't look like "linked" is too strong a term here.

Lando Lincoln: newaddict: you can be linked to organized crime, that is out of context to being accused or guilty or innocent of a certain crime. the subby's statement stands. could have been written a lot more polarized, but was not. subby's still accurate. your post was a bit condescending, let's move on, nick picking.

Fine. Let's move on.

According to the article...

There's this guy. His name is Steven Rattner. He's a Presidential adviser. He was also an executive of the Quadrangle Group, which is an investment firm. When he became a Presidential adviser, he quit the company.

This investment group has been accused of paying more than $1 million to a New York official's political aide in a bid to win a deal with the state pension fund. Other groups have been accused of similar payments.

The aide was indicted last month on corruption and bribery charges.

The SEC is looking into this.

Okay, quiz time:

Can you see where there may be some ways in which this Presidential adviser was not guilty of anything?

I can point out a few if you need help.

Here's a possible explanation.

filth: WaltzingMathilda: filth: My political career died with a teenaged, Thai hermaphrodite in 1983. No one could prosecute because the cops beat a confession out of me. But maybe I should apply with the White House, huh?

Assuming you think everyone who could be "linked" to anything actually is guilty of something and is unfit for the job, then I would prefer you don't work in my government.

Ah, the Fark Flying Apologists Brigade is turning out in force. OK, let's define "linked." Founded firm. Actively managed firm until joining Administration. Actually met with people now under indictment and arranged investmets that allegedly secured access to pension program.

Now the WH is saying it knew about the investigation (and presumably was not worried), so we can wait to see what the explanation is. But it doesn't look like "linked" is too strong a term here.

Apologist? How about "believes in Due Process?"

Lando Lincoln: newaddict: you can be linked to organized crime, that is out of context to being accused or guilty or innocent of a certain crime. the subby's statement stands. could have been written a lot more polarized, but was not. subby's still accurate. your post was a bit condescending, let's move on, nick picking.

Fine. Let's move on.



According to the article...

There's this guy. His name is Steven Rattner. He's a Presidential adviser. He was also an executive of the Quadrangle Group, which is an investment firm. When he became a Presidential adviser, he quit the company.

This investment group has been accused of paying more than $1 million to a New York official's political aide in a bid to win a deal with the state pension fund. Other groups have been accused of similar payments.

The aide was indicted last month on corruption and bribery charges.

The SEC is looking into this.

Okay, quiz time:

Can you see where there may be some ways in which this Presidential adviser was not guilty of anything?

I can point out a few if you need help.

no one stated he was guilty of anything or even accused of guilt-where is that posted? i even stated that guilty/innocent is out of context with the word linked. just the word "linked" was used.
your condescending again and inaccurate

WaltzingMathilda: Apologist? How about "believes in Due Process?"

My bad. I assumed that you first saw this story this morning and instantly assumed it was a smear job without reading what Rattner is accused of doing.

just to help Lando understand why I am confused. here:

LANDO:Fine. Let's move on.

then:

LANDO:Okay, quiz time:

Can you see where there may be some ways in which this Presidential adviser was not guilty of anything?

I can point out a few if you need help.

/ all this in side one post-anyone seeing this?

filth: WaltzingMathilda: Apologist? How about "believes in Due Process?"

My bad. I assumed that you first saw this story this morning and instantly assumed it was a smear job without reading what Rattner is accused of doing.

watch out filth: I didn't even use the word accused and got trolled by LANDO, brace yourself LOL

Someone needs to run a total of the amount of money owed in back taxes among the entire Obama cabinet/staff.

Another? Anyway, if he's accused of a crime, prosecute.

filth:
Here's a possible explanation.

And it looks like Obama was concerned about picking him.

The problem is we are afraid to make the real solutions to our problems in this country.

TheDumbBlonde: I'm proud to a member of the Catholic threat to America. I need a t-shirt.


/Then may the Christian Lord, guide my hand, against your Roman Popery!

newaddict: just to help Lando understand why I am confused. here:

I was responding to the calls of "I hope Obama dumps this guy's ass instead of trying to defend him."

Why should Obama do that at this point in time? What if the guy was not involved?

That's why I brought up the idea of perhaps WAITING for the legal process to finish its course before firing someone over mere accusations.

I'm not surprised. Politicians are mostly whores.

It is difficult for any president to find people who are clean to work for the administration.

The difference is shown by how the president reacts to the news of the possible or proven corruption.

Bush, for example, would accept, promote and possibly bestow Medals of Freedom upon the person. If Obama follows that same route, then he is just as much of an asshole as his predecessor on this issue.

USCLaw2010: /Then may the Christian Lord, guide my hand, against your Roman Popery potpourri!

/pet peve

Am I the only one that misread the articles headline?

doublesecretprobation: well with any luck the "hopeychange" part is that O fires his ass instead of defending him.

Kind of like he did with Geithner, right?

AdolfOliverPanties: Bush, for example, would accept, promote and possibly bestow Medals of Freedom upon the person.

[Citation needed]

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