Good. Of all the battles to pick, this is the wrong one.

B..b..but he's gonna take mah guns....isn't he??

/confused gun nuts are confused.

Plus there is the fact it would not do a damn thing.

Good.

I loved the CNN story I saw on this earlier. It was lead by something like "VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS" and the whole thing was just asking over and over again, "Is Obama going to take your guns away?" before reluctantly conceding at the end that no, he probably isn't. Then they talked about the teabaggers some more, and then I think there was another Repub talking point following that.

Could we get the liberal media to show back up?

Bad.

Bring back John Anderson!

I figured if any administration would take our guns, it would have been the one that just ended. After all, who needs guns if you're not a turrrrist?

That's good news. Because the more assault weapons there are the less gun violence there will be.

But Hannity said he was going to ban talk radio and take away guns. So now is he just going to ban talk radio?

ShawnDoc: So now is he just going to ban talk radio?

One can only hope...

BUT GLENN BECK TOLD ME HES GONNA TAKE MAH GUNS ZOMGZOMG (new window)

Not that it was really even going to happen in the first place. There are far too many congresspeople in the Democratic party who would be certain to lose their next election if they voted for a renewed AWB. That's over and above the fact that it was a stupid law to begin with.

I'm from Pennsylvania, and I'd just like to say I'm religiously bitter about this subject.

B-b-b-but seekrit moozlim!!1

Good. "Assault Weapon" is a made-up category of firearms anyway.

/basically, it's "any weapon that scares a liberal Democrat who's never handled a gun before"

Part of the reason I voted for him. He knows how to get over it. He said he respected DC/Heller in his campaign, I thought it was obvious he would follow through.

Unlike some people that think gays, (specific) gods, stem cells, science, etc. are still a battle, even when it was lost 30 years ago and majority control has done nothing to change that. We don't care, you don't get it.

I'll vote for my 1st AND 2nd amendment rights, thank you, and the rest of them too.

PS, I'll come back to the party when you're willing to have me. If you think that means never, no love lost then.

Fox will find a way to slam Obama for this.

006andahalf: Fox will find a way to slam Obama for this.

They'll probably accuse him of flip-flopping, then say he really wants to take your guns away anyway. Proof has never been a strong point for Fox News.

Good.

So does this mean that ammo prices are going to come back down? Six months of idiots and freepers hoarding against the Great Gun Grab means that .223 is anywhere between $.50-$1 per round.

He'll still do something via Executive Order that shuts down importation or something or another. I predict the Saiga line of rifles and shotguns coming our Russia will be the scape goat. He can do it w/out bothering the Legislature at all.

Both Bush presidents did their own EOs to shut down importation of foreign arms. I don't see why this president will be any different.

Occam's Chainsaw: So does this mean that ammo prices are going to come back down? Six months of idiots and freepers hoarding against the Great Gun Grab means that .223 is anywhere between $.50-$1 per round.

The surge in ammo prices has been happening since about 2005. You can't really blame it all on the Obama panic buying. There's the military sucking up production runs, the weak dollar, rising commodity prices of metals, and increased shipping charges due to higher fuel prices working against us. It's a whole bunch of things.

The Obama rush is just the latest of many things contributing to higher ammo prices and scarcity.

MasterThief: Good. "Assault Weapon" is a made-up category of firearms anyway.

You know who made up the assault rifle?


/actually i'm serious, the first widely used assault rifle was the german STG-44
//have nothing serious to add.

jbuist: The surge in ammo prices has been happening since about 2005. You can't really blame it all on the Obama panic buying. There's the military sucking up production runs, the weak dollar, rising commodity prices of metals, and increased shipping charges due to higher fuel prices working against us. It's a whole bunch of things.

The Obama rush is just the latest of many things contributing to higher ammo prices and scarcity.

Fair enough. It just really sucks when purchasing 7.62 goes from, "I have to warn you: you'll probably wind up paying $.25-$.50 per round," to, "You want what? BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hold on, let me put you on speaker so the other guys can hear this."

I'm sure the domestic manufacturing companies are all broken up over widespread scarcity. Inconsolable, even.

SilentStrider: MasterThief: Good. "Assault Weapon" is a made-up category of firearms anyway.

You know who made up the assault rifle?

"Assault rifle" and "assault weapon" aren't the same thing. "Assault rifle" does actually mean something.

FTFA:on "Face the Nation" Sunday, Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said that "ninety percent of all weapons we are seizing in Mexico, Bob, are coming from across the United States" - a comment echoed by both leaders today.

How long are these tards going to keep repeating this farking bullshiat?

What exactly is an assault weapon again?

m0llusk: What exactly is an assault weapon again?

It's a M4A1 with a threaded barrel and a folding stock, but not just a folding stock or a threaded barrel. Or a hi-cap magazine and a flash suppressor, but not a flash suppressor alone. In fact, the act of pressing the magazine release changes a weapon from banned under the AWB to perfectly legal.

SilentStrider: You know who made up the assault rifle?

Yes, actually.

In all seriousness, an anti-gun lobbyist by the name of Josh Sugarmann (Director of the Violence Policy Center), re-coined the phrase, and then got Democrats in Congress to retcon a legal definition for it. The result was ludicrous even by Congress' low standards - "assault weapons" were defined as a laundry list of various gun models, plus any weapon that had two or more characteristics off of a somewhat arbitrary list (bayonet rings, pistol grips, etc). Nothing about caliber. Nothing about full automatic firing modes (fully automatic weapons were already made illegal without a permit by the 1934 National Firearms Act.) The Congresscritters who wrote the law - Democrats - apparently had no idea just what the hell they were banning. (If you don't know what you're banning, why ban it?) "Regulatory Difficulties" doesn't even begin to cover it: the law was a clusterf*ck from the beginning (mostly because the cosmetic features that defined assault weapons were easy to change while leaving caliber and mode of fire intact), and it had no observable effect on crime.

Good on Obama for not indulging in this collective hallucination.

jbuist: The surge in ammo prices has been happening since about 2005. You can't really blame it all on the Obama panic buying. There's the military sucking up production runs, the weak dollar, rising commodity prices of metals, and increased shipping charges due to higher fuel prices working against us. It's a whole bunch of things.

Not to mention, the ammunition consumer market apparently thought that the military surplus ammunition supply was infinite, forgetting completely the definition of "surplus" and that surplus is all gone now.

SilentStrider: /actually i'm serious, the first widely used assault rifle was the german STG-44

As I understand it, the first true "Assault rifle" was the MP43, a submachine gun, but in name only, because Hitler opposed the development of the Assault rifle concept. When Hitler saw it, he changed his mind, and the MP43 became the StG 44, Sturm Gewher 44, or, assault rifle 44. (I am ignoring the FG 42 rifle because there were so few that saw action, but it arguably could be the first.)

So, strictly speaking, if not the FG 42, the first assault rifle was the MP 43, which was misnamed to deceive Hitler, but was essentially the StG 44. Although, an argument can be made that the US Browning Automatic Rifle, (BAR) and the US Carbine M2 could reasonably fall into that category, in which case, they would be the first, and both saw more use than the MP 43 and StG 44

Either way, it is beyond dispute that the BAR and the M2 are certainly closer to being Assault rifles than anything covered in the Clinton ban.

But I am just being pedantic.

FTFA:on "Face the Nation" Sunday, Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said that "ninety percent of all weapons we are seizing in Mexico, Bob, are coming from across the United States" - a comment echoed by both leaders today.

Yes. Our government sells them to you, your grossly underpaid and and easily corrupted military and police supply officials loot them from the armories, sell them to the cartels, and pocket a handsome profit. Don't you try to pin this all on us, pendejo.

make me some tea: BUT GLENN BECK TOLD ME HES GONNA TAKE MAH GUNS ZOMGZOMG (new window)

FEAR

Fear change, fear advancing our society, fear your fellow man, fear your president, fear everything. This is absolutely ridiculous.

violator6: FEAR


Fear change, fear advancing our society, fear your fellow man, fear your president, fear everything. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Some people just like to feed off the drama. What can you do?

make me some tea: Some people just like to feed off the drama. What can you do?

Chain them together in pairs, shoot one, and throw both off a pier?

Occam's Chainsaw: jbuist: The surge in ammo prices has been happening since about 2005. You can't really blame it all on the Obama panic buying. There's the military sucking up production runs, the weak dollar, rising commodity prices of metals, and increased shipping charges due to higher fuel prices working against us. It's a whole bunch of things.

The Obama rush is just the latest of many things contributing to higher ammo prices and scarcity.

Fair enough. It just really sucks when purchasing 7.62 goes from, "I have to warn you: you'll probably wind up paying $.25-$.50 per round," to, "You want what? BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hold on, let me put you on speaker so the other guys can hear this."

I'm sure the domestic manufacturing companies are all broken up over widespread scarcity. Inconsolable, even.

No shiat.

But nobody seems to be taking advantage of the situation to stake out a massive market share. Instead all I find is the same old overpriced Wolf 7.62x39, or decrepit surplus crap, or dubious overpriced mailorder. Let alone bulk-discount 45ACP, even shiat-quality reloads.

Right now it seems like patriotic freedom-loving anti-socialist independent rugged individualists are the worst farking businessmen evar.

Now NRA people are going to be mad at him for not giving them any reason to be mad at him.

MasterThief: Good. "Assault Weapon" is a made-up category of firearms anyway.

/basically, it's "any weapon that scares a liberal Democrat who's never handled a gun before"

I'm a liberal. I own a couple of these. Pretty darn sure I can tell the difference because I actually read history.

Of course right wing windbags might not have much truck with book-learning and stuff. So I guess that's your excuse.

I won't feel any better until I hear Glenn Beck thoughtfully analyze it.

Oh Christ, another gun thread. Allow me to do a Reader's Digest for you:

GUN NUT: "Guns are good, bullets are good, weapons are good! Don't ban any of them!"

LIBERAL: "You're a right-wing brain-dead dickhead nutter! Guns, bullets and weapons are bad! Ban them all!"

GUN NUT: "You want to ban all that? You're a farking bleeding heart liberal commie pinko twunt! Get farked!"

MODERATE: "Hey, let's not fight! Some are OK, some are bad! Ban the bad ones!"

GUN NUT & LIBERAL: "You don't know what you're talking about! Stay out of it, farktard!"

MODERATE: "FARK YOU!"

GUN NUT: "FARK YOU TOO!"

LIBERAL: "FARK ALL OF YOU!"

Repeat ad nauseum until moderator comes in.

Good, I hope the rush for guns has shown Obama and Congress that a bunch of people do not want the ban back. Oh yea Calderon said that Mexico has seen an increase in organized crime since the ban expired ...My paycheck has increased since then too..WOW.

/folks in the US boycotting Mexican imported illegal stuff would do more.

frankencj: /folks in the US boycotting Mexican imported illegal stuff would do more.

Make the consequences of local manufacture something other than PMITA prison and we would.

Good move... no need to play into the hands of a bunch of paranoid morons.

The assault weapons ban was ridiculous to begin with.

SilentStrider: MasterThief: Good. "Assault Weapon" is a made-up category of firearms anyway.

You know who made up the assault rifle?

Assault Rifle != Assault Weapon

Assault Rifle has a specific meaning: A select fire (semi and full automatic) rifle firing an intermediate power cartridge (more powerful than a pistol, less powerful than a full power rifle round).

Assault Weapon has whatever nebulous meaning the politicians decide upon at their whim.

Oh, and you know who was *AGAINST* developing the original assault rifle, to the point where it was originally called a "machine pistol" to get around a ban on the development of new rifles? Yep, Adolph Hitler.

MasterThief: Good on Obama for not indulging in this collective hallucination.

Yes good for him. Sadly you perpetuate your collective hallucination:

MasterThief: /basically, it's "any weapon that scares a liberal Democrat who's never handled a gun before"

It's all Fark is really good for, making people that agree with you politically on particular issue think better of it just on the insipidness alone.

absoluteparanoia: Good. Of all the battles to pick, this is the wrong one.

Done in one.

I learned a long time ago to give up on gun control. It's just an ingrained part of American culture and we're just going to have to live with the suicides and murders.

But honestly, there is no point to the 2nd amendment any more. There is NO CHANCE that any group of citizens is going to be able to hold at bay the Federal government in any real situation. You start shooting at people and you're going to get crushed. There is no chance and no hope that you're going to influence the shape of government by brandishing/threatening people with guns.

Now, if you live in Detroit then that's another story. I just get Tee'd off at fat rednecks who talk like their shotguns are going to save the whole of Chrisendom from Big Brother.

GreenAdder: Now NRA people are going to be mad at him for not giving them any reason to be mad at him.

It doesn't matter. The people who care about this issue will still be convinced that he's a gun-grabber, and that any minute he could sneak into Congress with a bill that totally bans guns, and Barney Frank will use his gay mind-control powers to force the rest of the Congress to do his bidding and pass it.

FTA:

President Obama said in Mexico Thursday that while he continues to back bringing back the expired assault weapons ban, it would be politically difficult to do so.

Deciding not to != Continues to back. Subby headline FAIL