Excellent news.

Good.

I'm afraid the torture apologists will have much to answer for.

Sounds like Obama's running a Statue of Liberty play to Congress for "investigations".

Hell yes!!!

'Bout damn time. I do understand that they have to look these types of things over to make sure they don;t compromise national security, but this should never have been a question as to whether or not to release it.

Now - I wonder if this can result in indictments for Bush, Cheney or any other higher-ups...

I am somewhat astounded. I do not know how this info (assuming it is what we think it is) will not lead to charges.
And I'm a little prouder to be an American.

Benevolent Misanthrope: 'Bout damn time. I do understand that they have to look these types of things over to make sure they don;t compromise national security, but this should never have been a question as to whether or not to release it.

I have no problem with their release so long as national security information is redacted.

Either way, it sounds like all these memos are just legal opinions. Should be an interesting read, no doubt.

Nice!

Rev.K: I'm afraid the torture apologists will have much to answer for.

Freeperland (new window)

Finally, let's keep this momentum going.

KaponoFor3: Either way, it sounds like all these memos are just legal opinions. Should be an interesting read, no doubt.

FTA:

The documents are expected to include Justice Department memos from 2002 and 2005 authorizing the C.I.A. to employ a number of aggressive techniques- including sleep deprivation, exposure to extreme temperatures and "waterboarding," the near-drowning technique.

It sounds like a bit more than legal opinion according to that.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Sounds like Obama's running a Statue of Liberty play to Congress for "investigations".

Better than having Spain do it.

Although, they actually did catch people when they got attacked, so maybe we should let them take care of it.

Thank God for this. Obama's backtracking on surveillance has made me wary, but this is a nice consolation prize.

alywa: Freeperland (new window)

Those wingnuts don't even count. I stand a little further to the right than the average Farker on a number of subjects, and I applaud this decision.

KaponoFor3: Either way, it sounds like all these memos are just legal opinions. Should be an interesting read, no doubt.

Not legal opinions. They are directives, if I've read it right. Memos within the CIA outlining how to torture.

Well, let's see...

Obama releases memos:

Right-wingers: "OMG HE IS TRYING TO DISTRACT US FROM HIS OWN FAILURES BY CONTINUING TO SLANDER GEORGE BUSH! HE'S AIDING THE TERRORISTS BY RELEASING THIS SECRET STUFF! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!"

Obama does not release the memos:

Right-wingers: "OMG HE IS NO BETTER THAN GEORGE BUSH! MEET THE NEW BOSS SAME AS THE OLD BOSS! HE'S GOING TO STICK US IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!"

alywa: Freeperland (new window)

Why does Obama hate America?

/wait wut

Rev.K: I'm afraid the torture apologists authorizers will have much to answer for.

FTFY

/i don't think that is a word, actually

absoluteparanoia: I do not recognize him as the president of anything.

Making enemies in the CIA? Bad career move, Barry.

He'll do anything to take the spotlight off of his doings.

I seem to remember something similar during the Carter years where he set our intell back 20 years or so. I think if he does this he should be impeached for treason.

All teabaggers by the sound of it. No?

That's exactly what I'd expect a secret muslim to do.

Rev.K: KaponoFor3: Either way, it sounds like all these memos are just legal opinions. Should be an interesting read, no doubt.

FTA:

The documents are expected to include Justice Department memos from 2002 and 2005 authorizing the C.I.A. to employ a number of aggressive techniques- including sleep deprivation, exposure to extreme temperatures and "waterboarding," the near-drowning technique.

It sounds like a bit more than legal opinion according to that.

Seeing as how the DOJ has no direct authority to tell the CIA what to do, yes, those memos "authorizing" the CIA to do any number of things were most likely in the form of "It is the opinion of the U.S. Attorney's office that the following interrogation techniques do not fall within the legal definition of 'torture'..."

alywa: Freeperland (new window)

Even more jawdropping than usual. I'm sure the secret service has their hands full.

This is a step in the right direction.

A better step would be detailing why warrant-less wiretaps and restrictions on habeas corpus are still in place.

alywa: Freeperland (new window)

like a traffic accident, i can't help but look

Nabb1: Seeing as how the DOJ has no direct authority to tell the CIA what to do, yes, those memos "authorizing" the CIA to do any number of things were most likely in the form of "It is the opinion of the U.S. Attorney's office that the following interrogation techniques do not fall within the legal definition of 'torture'..."

Well, opinion or not, two things are perfectly clear:

1. That "opinion" is tantamount to authorization
2. Waterboarding is, without question, a form of torture

Jesus Christ freerepublic is pathetic.

/this is good news

Sleep deprivation as torture? Medical students should rush out and get attorneys. They, apparently, are being "tortured".

When my former neighbors threw their loud parties I thought it was torture. It's so good to be right.

Senescent Dawn: Even more jawdropping than usual. I'm sure the secret service has their hands full.

You know they're all simpering pussies in their mom's basements.
I know they're all simpering pussies in their mom's basements.
The FBI knows they're all simpering pussies in their mom's basements.

Of course if they don't waste hundreds of man-hours going through this one asshole they ignored will blow a building up

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture? Medical students should rush out and get attorneys. They, apparently, are being "tortured".

When my former neighbors threw their loud parties I thought it was torture. It's so good to be right.

Yes, being in med school and doing a residency shift for 40-60 hours is exactly the same thing as being forcibly kept awake in a military prison.

You're pathetic.

I'm just wondering how the Opposition Party is going to spin this.

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture?

I went four days without sleep in training, and that was torture even though it was simulation. The real-life practice is to keep people up for weeks at a time, it shatters the psyche.

Rev.K: Yes, being in med school and doing a residency shift for 40-60 hours is exactly the same thing as being forcibly kept awake in a military prison.

You're pathetic.

i dunno, it all sounds like fraternity hazing to me. i say, if they get through hell week we should grant the citizenship and buy them houses next door to bearsfolks.

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture? Medical students should rush out and get attorneys. They, apparently, are being "tortured".

When my former neighbors threw their loud parties I thought it was torture. It's so good to be right.

Well, you could drop out of med school.

And call the cops on your neighbors.

I see the American education system has failed another.

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture? Medical students should rush out and get attorneys. They, apparently, are being "tortured".

your a idiot

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture?

Yes.

This isn't hard to grasp.

Anyone who doesn't understand how sleep deprivation can be torture has never made the mistake of starting an acid trip at midnight.

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture?

Are you kidding?


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Rev.K: It sounds like a bit more than legal opinion according to that

DamnYankees: Not legal opinions. They are directives, if I've read it right. Memos within the CIA outlining how to torture.

I was understanding that these were Justice Department documents? If they are, they are most likely legal opinions rather than clear directives.

If they include CIA directives as well then hey, so be it. I'm more interested in the legal opinions that probably say what Nabb1 said above.

bob_ross: Are you kidding?


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Yeah, we beat that dead horse but good

hillbillypharmacist: your a idiot

Indeed

This is bad news... for Obama.

Meanwhile, the NSA is still watching you read that.

bob_ross: bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture?

Are you kidding?


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Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbau, Borbau, _Borbau,
Manny Motta, Motta, _Motta.

Though I still can't believe this is all over waterboarding, lack of sleep, and loud music. Pussies.

bearsfolks: Sleep deprivation as torture? Medical students should rush out and get attorneys. They, apparently, are being "tortured".

When my former neighbors threw their loud parties I thought it was torture. It's so good to be right.

allow me to join the chorus of people telling you you're an idiot

Action Replay Nick: Jesus Christ freerepublic is pathetic.

/this is good news

I like how they are already picking up on Limbaugh's cue and are saying that Obama killed "children," not pirates.