you're right, subby. we should get someone else to right the federal tax code.

wait, no one else can. nevermind, you're not right.

burndtdan: we should get someone else to right the federal tax code


Well, any "constitutional scholar" worth the appellation would know that writing the tax code is the sole province of the House of Representatives.

I'm sure a consortium of Texas billionaires will write a damn fine tax code that is fair and equitable for all.

pandabear: Well, any "constitutional scholar" worth the appellation would know that writing the tax code is the sole province of the House of Representatives.

No president has ever proposed a policy or language for a bill, handed the same to Congress, and said "hey, how about you guys introduce and vote on that." Never happened once in history. Why doesn't Obama recognize this? I guess because it's not on his teleprompter.

kronicfeld: No president has ever proposed a policy or language for a bill, handed the same to Congress, and said "hey, how about you guys introduce and vote on that." Never happened once in history. Why doesn't Obama recognize this? I guess because it's not on his teleprompter.

presidents propose legislation all the farking time.

kronicfeld: hey, how about you guys introduce and amend the bejesus out of that until all the loopholes are back in it and then vote

More like the way it works.

Plus change, meme chose....

doublesecretprobation: presidents propose legislation all the farking time.

Stop lying.

Stop lying.

separation of powers. enrolled bill doctrine. motion for the previous question!!!

If you couldn't tell, Marge, I was being sarcastic

kronicfeld: If you couldn't tell, Marge, I was being sarcastic

i'm stunned like a cow in an abattoir

leave it to barack o'dummy to further ruin a broken system. everyone knows that flat tax is the only way to make the tax code work. i think we should throw a tea party to prove our point. who's with me?

albo: i'm stunned like a cow in an abattoir

Weird. That's exactly how I envision you.

There's only one true savior in American politics, and he's languishing away in Texas' 14th District because you retards thought he was crazy. You crucified him and set the secret muslim socialist go free. Well, enjoy watching your country go down in flames!

So he's totally going to make my hard-earned "C" in Federal Income Taxation moot? I want it removed from my GPA then

WaltzingMathilda: There's only one true savior in American politics, and he's languishing away in Texas'

Stopped reading there. Nothing good comes from Texas.

Yes. This needs to be done.

burndtdan: you're right, subby. we should get someone else to right the federal tax code.

wait, no one else can. nevermind, you're not right.

Blackwater?

Lando Lincoln: albo: i'm stunned like a cow in an abattoir

Weird. That's exactly how I envision eviscerate you.

FTFY.

No charge because I'm in a good mood.

thomps: leave it to barack o'dummy to further ruin a broken system. everyone knows that flat tax is the only way to make the tax code work. i think we should throw a tea party to prove our point. who's with me?

Lame troll is lame.
But thanks for the try at sarcasm.

Taxes dont bother me, i just get em back at the end of the year in the form of a big check.

politicians will keep rewriting the tax code for purely political purposes until we farking demand the FAIR tax.

The federal income tax code is just a way to punish and reward citizens based on whoever happens to be in power.
It's sickening.

Steigen: politicians will keep rewriting the tax code for purely political purposes until we farking demand the FAIR tax.

Yes, then it will be gumdrops and rainbows, and enforcement will not be necessary because of the power of elf farts.

I just bought a house here in Phoenix. I'm a first-time buyer.
/Gets an eight-thousand dollar tax break next year.

Thanks Gov't!

A tax system that is both progressive and is doesn't require you to hire a professional tax preparer could be done by a high school math class... unfortunately people that intelligent don't get elected to office:(

/Also H&R block spends a LOT of money on all the candidates to make sure this doesn't happen

Steigen: politicians will keep rewriting the tax code for purely political purposes until we farking demand the FAIR tax.

1. the fair tax is horrendously bad
2. congress will write the fair tax for political purposes, too

Seriously, unless Obama turns out to be Jesus himself, and even then, not only do I completely 100% believe that the government would have trouble at the best of times, and be completely incapable now, but in fact they're only going to make things worse.

I'm sure he's going to do great things, the other guys all suck yadda yadda, but I just think this is too much and is going to backfire badly.

kronicfeld: Steigen: politicians will keep rewriting the tax code for purely political purposes until we farking demand the FAIR tax.

Yes, then it will be gumdrops and rainbows, and enforcement will not be necessary because of the power of elf farts.

Certainly a compelling argument.
You're right...the IRS is perfect and tax laws aren't biased or manipulated for political purposes at all.

jackass

Taxes don't bother me, I just pop out another kid and wait for those sweet, sweet welfare bennies. And WIC. And food stamps. And unemployment.

// is I doin' it rite?

He's already picked a new tax czar:

Updating the oldie but goodie:

Obama's Tax Reform:

1. How much did you make?
2. Send it in.

rant/
Most people in this country can file a 1040ez or 1040a. However, tax software packages and tax "preparers" like the cock suckers at HR Block don't offer these forms, because once the peasants see that a 1040EZ has literally 11 lines on it, they'll revolt and stop paying $40-120 to get their taxes done.

Unless you are self employed, own an incorporated business, or work for a foreign country, MOST people can figure out how to file their own returns. IT IS NOT HARD!!

1). Figure out your AGI
2). Figure out your deductions and exemptions(single? no kids? don't own your own home? $8,950)
3). Subtract number 2 from number 1.
4). Get Publication 17 free at any library, post office or internet. Go to the back, look at the chart that breaks down income from $0-$100,000.
5). profit.

You want to know why it "seems so hard"? Because HR Block et all spends MILLIONS of dollars a year making it look hard so you come crawling to them.

Steigen: You're right...the IRS is perfect and tax laws aren't biased or manipulated for political purposes at all.

your faith in congress that it won't mess around with any fair tax legislation for political purposes is as touchingly naive as a baby goat

Steigen: You're right...the IRS is perfect and tax laws aren't biased or manipulated for political purposes at all.

You're the one claiming your "FAIR tax," which is in and of itself a manipulation of tax law for political purposes, won't be subject to manipulation for political purposes. Good luck with that.

Groover McToober: Lame troll is lame.
But thanks for the try at sarcasm.

eh, this thread was already ruined so i figured i'd get some practice in and hopefully diffuse the flat-taxers before they got in.

God I hope they do not do a flat income tax. Unless of course he also abolished the Federal Reserve and did away with fractional reserve banking..

Otherwise we poor can kiss our asses goodbye.

skyrous: A tax system that is both progressive and is doesn't require you to hire a professional tax preparer could be done by a high school math class...

We have that. Srsly. I'm 95% certain I could do your taxes for you. And I work in education.

Bush said this same thing in one of his SOTU addresses. It never happened, and it will never happen in this admin. There are too many people who know the loopholes and succeed because of them. Soon enough Obama will find out that there is a lot of reason for the tax code being as complex as it is.

As long as the congress critters want to use the tax code as a political football, this will be impossible.

burndtdan: we should get someone else to right the federal tax code

Yes, we should. The tax code was written by...GASP...politicians. Maybe giving someone else a shot will help.

what_now: You want to know why it "seems so hard"? Because HR Block et all spends MILLIONS of dollars a year making it look hard so you come crawling to them.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

You are blaming enterprising people for capitalizing on a market.

When I had my first job at 15, I knew then that all I had to do was go to the public library and get an EZ form and *voila* my taxes are done.

I was 15.

If "most people" in this country can do this, as you say, and do not, they are stupid and should NOT be helped.

Donald_McRonald: He's already picked a new tax czar:

Christ, I hope he at least vets this one better.

jonasborg: Obama will find out that there is a lot of reason for the tax code being as complex as it is.

You mean besides providing a convenient excuse for his cabinet appointees?

The only way taxes have gotten so high is by convincing everyone that someone else is paying.

IXI Jim IXI: Donald_McRonald: He's already picked a new tax czar:

Christ, I hope he at least vets this one better.

Hey, I see what you did there!

what_now: 2). Figure out your deductions and exemptions(single? no kids? don't own your own home? $8,950)

I don't know the statistics on this, but are you claiming "most" people don't own their home?

I've exceeded the standard deductions every year since I owned my home, and one year prior when I was using my personal vehicle for work. Also, using something like HR Block lets you see the difference between taking a deduction for college tuition vs a credit.

There are so many different credits around, it would take a normal person weeks to do all of the research. For 40 bucks, I'd rather have all of my research done for me. Even if it only takes you 10 hours to read up on all of the deductions and credits you may be eligible for, that's 4 bucks an hour.

I value my time much more than 4 bucks an hour.

honk. HONK. HONK

Well, maybe someone with tax problems is the right person for this job.

kronicfeld: Steigen: You're right...the IRS is perfect and tax laws aren't biased or manipulated for political purposes at all.

You're the one claiming your "FAIR tax," which is in and of itself a manipulation of tax law for political purposes, won't be subject to manipulation for political purposes. Good luck with that.

Your acceptance of the status quo is farking disturbing.
I guess we can all ride this bastard of an economy / deficit into the ground. Weeeeeee

Contents of a Space Wasp's stomach: Unless of course he also abolished the Federal Reserve and did away with fractional reserve banking

wow. maybe we should all go back to working the land and bartering for supplies