Even if they didn't decide to do this, they still made the choice.

sigh.

It should be pretty damn obvious by now that any healthy and sane society will have a hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Going too far in either direction will ALWAYS lead to disaster in the long run.

The better the balance, the healthier the society. It's all a matter of the right tool for the right job.

The biggest problem with America today is that just under 50% of the voting population is unable to accept this fact, no matter how great the evidence.

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Oh, well. At least the historical trend is promising. Hopefully we can get the older idiots out of power before they destroy and bankrupt America with their mix of greed and fear of the Commie boogieman.

Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

"Which means there are real areas of overlap between European social democracy and American liberalism: The former has defined its Eden down to a form of social capitalism, while the latter, prompted by Wall Street's implosion, has upgraded its project to the creation of, well, a form of social capitalism."

Oh no! America is becoming like the rest of the industrialized world.

pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

That's it, I'm boycotting the employee owned plumbing company!

/To Save America

According to a Rasmussen poll released last week, 37 percent of Americans under age 30 prefer capitalism, 33 percent prefer socialism and 30 percent are undecided.

Hm.

Seems like We Surround Them after all.

I bet my tax return that the right wing pundits can't even define Socialism.

they are building socialism in America.

One teabag at a time.

Or just setting the stage for zombie Ross Perot to make a comeback.

Gods sake, how many Limbaugh headlines will be approved today? Please, don't feed the troll.

Who knew that acting like a repugnant troll would have a repellent effect?

NallTWD: I bet my tax return that the right wing pundits can't even define Socialism.

It's when 1984 happens and they issue you government shoooz, like with teh Hitlerz and Saddam!!1! 9/11!!!!1!!

Shouldn't he be teabagging with Glenn Beck right now?

NallTWD: I bet my tax return that the right wing pundits can't even define Socialism.

It's when they come to take your TruckNutz in the middle of the night.

But, Muqtada al-Limbaugh is just an entertainer, I'm sure he pays his AFTRA union dues just like the rest of the talkies

What's interesting about this article is how it view these issues are one of two choices. Everything in the US seems to be one of two choices. Capitalism or socialism. Republican or Democrat. Walmart or Target. The idea that any problem has only two choices seems embedded in most discourse. Every position is argued to it's extreme point.

Just because Rush and his ilk have painted everything Obama does as socialism doesn't mean the people who reject Rush's emotional, irrational hysteria are actually embracing "socialism".

they're just anti-idiot.

NallTWD: I bet my tax return that the right wing pundits can't even define Socialism.

Using government to help poor and middle-class people. If you use government funds to help rich people or bomb people in the the third world, that's free enterprise.

TFA is correct, though. When loathsome ghouls like Limbaugh denounce socialism, many young people will say to themselves, "If they're against it, there must be something to it!" It's like the "Just Say No" campaigns of my youth. "Nancy Reagan says not to smoke pot, huh? Do you have any pot I can try?"

pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker Government control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

Fixed that for you.

culebra: NallTWD: I bet my tax return that the right wing pundits can't even define Socialism.

It's when they come to take your TruckNutz in the middle of the night.

From my cold, dead, teabaggin' hands!

whereisian: Everything in the US seems to be one of two choices.

Love it or leave it.

Renart: NallTWD: I bet my tax return that the right wing pundits can't even define Socialism.

Using government to help poor and middle-class people. If you use government funds to help rich people or bomb people in the the third world, that's free enterprise.

TFA is correct, though. When loathsome ghouls like Limbaugh denounce socialism, many young people will say to themselves, "If they're against it, there must be something to it!" It's like the "Just Say No" campaigns of my youth. "Nancy Reagan says not to smoke pot, huh? Do you have any pot I can try?"

In both cases my decision is based largely on what would do the most to spite Ronald Reagan. I've even gone so far as to steal guns from Iran and return drugs to Colombia.

If socialism is good enough for wall street, it's good enough for me!

Is the Post inferring that lefties under 30 listen to Rush?

/fark the post

I just got back from dropping my taxes off at the p.o. and I was listening to my regular bunch of wacko's over on the AM dial. This time it was financial jesus (Dave Ramsey) and he must have skipped the meds today or something. He said we went from socialism to full blown communism now and the government is going to tell you how many kids to have, what sex the child should be and if it isn't the right sex, into the old abortion vacureemo they go. The crazy, they have turned it up to 11.

Lost Thought 00: That's it, I'm boycotting the employee owned plumbing company!


Not amused

dfxdeimos: pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker Government control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

Fixed that for you.

For that to be true the workers would have to control the government. Which is exactly what Marx said they would, either by revolutionary or democratic means.

But anways, of course total government control and no government control don't work. You need somewhere in between. IMO America needs bigger government in a lot of areas right now and smaller in a few. We need to get more in line with the rest of the industrialized democracies or we will become an oligarachy that consumes ourself into oblivion.

dfxdeimos: Worker Government control of the means of production == socialism

Nope. You're thinking of Communism, my friend.

What people (in this country, who are badly educated) forget is that Marx didn't invent Socialism; it was already around in England while he was writing the Communist Manifesto. It was a logical outgrowth of the feudal master/peasant system, as the English understood the relationship was symbolic: the landed gentry relied on the farmers for their income and the farmers relied on the landed gentry to protect and support them in times of crisis and famine.

Our banking system has been partially socialized since the inception of the Federal Reserve. This latest round is just a reassertion of that fact. "What the lord giveth, the lord taketh away; and the lord's cronies geteth more money and you can just shuteth the fark upeth, citizen."

mephyt: Shouldn't he be teabagging with Glenn Beck right now?



Sorry...I just really like that one :D

Well the article is correct about one thing.


People under 30 don't know shiat.

I see it proven on FARK daily.

Falcc:

In both cases my decision is based largely on what would do the most to spite Ronald Reagan. I've even gone so far as to steal guns from Iran and return drugs to Colombia.

Newsletter. Subscription. Now.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

Apparently, when Socialism comes to America, its will be in reaction to those wrapping themselves in the flag while carrying a cross.

Nice symmetry.

dfxdeimos: pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker Government control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

Fixed that Made your point for you.

Fixed that for you

Skleenar: Apparently, when Socialism comes to America, its will be in reaction to those wrapping themselves in the flag while carrying a cross.

I think that might have been the old fart's point.

Workers controlling the means of production is communism. All these isms are confusin', I know. But at least you didn't confuse fascism with socialism, like Jonah The Doughy Pantload did...

pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

As a real socialist, this.

/America needs more liberals
//Real ones, not "Republican" branded ones.

Freepers tea-bag. Socialist sand-bag.

If we're going by today's GOP/FoxNews/Limbaugh definition of socialism, Debs won a long, long time ago. Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Clinton, and, if you want to be honest, Reagan, would all be classified as socialists under this new definition. If we accept it, then, yes, socialism was the default ideology for most of the 'American Century', and it's not a shock that more people are interested in going back there.

pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

Exactly. So giving stock options to employees is really a form of socialism.

Donald_McRonald: Even if they didn't decide to do this, they still made the choice.

they talk unity but break us down into subdivisions.

I need to know where these people get the brass balls to claim that bailing out and government controlling the banks and the largest corporations in the country isn't socialism but taking out the tax cuts on the highest 1% of the country somehow is.

And why is farking Rush Limbaugh getting so much press now anyway? He's Howard Stern without the strippers.

pootsie: dfxdeimos: pootsie: Does anyone even remember what the fark socialism even is?

Worker Government control of the means of production == socialism

Mere government involvement != socialism

Fixed that Made your point for you.

Fixed that for you

That wasn't the plank for Brian Moore last election cycle, lrn2politik.

Headline might as well be, "I have no farking idea who Eugene Debs is"

Workers have never controlled a socialist country. They've all been run by dictators.

The under-30 crowd is just rebelling against their parents. Once they get their mortgage and kids on, their fantasy workers paradise will fade.

he's Fred Savage.

toonz: Donald_McRonald: Even if they didn't decide to do this, they still made the choice.

they talk unity but break us down into subdivisions.

In the pool halls, and the shopping malls.

1derful: Workers have never controlled a socialist country. They've all been run by dictators.

Spain would like to have a word with you.

Phil Herup: Well the article is correct about one thing.


People under 30 don't know shiat.

I see it proven on FARK daily.

2/10, you're getting soft.