But that dude pretending to be Thomas Paine on Glenn Beck said I should teabag!

Two out of fifty is four percent.

kronicfeld: Two out of fifty is four percent.

There are 100 Senators...

kronicfeld: Two out of fifty is four percent.

So 2 out of 100 would be...?

DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

having disproportionate congressional representation doesnt mean these people can't have an opinion. but if they voted and are shouting that phrase they should have a 2x4 nailed to their skull.


kronicfeld: Two out of fifty is four percent.


noted. what's two out of 100?

nekom: DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

Then what was he saying?

DamnYankees: nekom: DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

Then what was he saying?

I was told there would be no math.

Attention Teabaggers:

You have representation and the only ones among you who aren't getting tax cuts are the people at the top urging you to buy their merchandise.

Mentat: Attention Teabaggers:

You have representation and the only ones among you who aren't getting tax cuts are the people at the top urging you to buy their merchandise.

Their bill of goods, if you will.

kronicfeld: Two out of fifty is four percent.


I thought the same thing. Then I realized I was an idiot.

Eight out of 137 ~ 5.8%

I realized my mistake instantly and was too ashamed to correct myself. Let me have it.

/Fark meme bonus goodness

Mentat: Attention Teabaggers:

You have representation and the only ones among you who aren't getting tax cuts are the people at the top urging you to buy their merchandise.

Seriously. I did my taxes today and am getting back more than I paid in pure income tax. Now, that doesn't count Social Security or Medicare taxes, but all things considered I think my tax burden last year ended up being around $500.

$500 to live in the US? Deal!

kronicfeld: I realized my mistake instantly and was too ashamed to correct myself. Let me have it.

i can't say anything to someone who actually admits their mistake.

SilentStrider: kronicfeld: I realized my mistake instantly and was too ashamed to correct myself. Let me have it.

i can't say anything to someone who actually admits their mistake.

Well then you don't have any imagination!

kronicfeld: I realized my mistake instantly and was too ashamed to correct myself. Let me have it.

kronicfeld: Two out of fifty is four percent.

five out of eighty is six and a quarter percent

I wonder what they call that little event that happened back on November 4th then? That seemed like a time to vote for your representation. I think they should modify their chant to be more accurate: "We're here! We're butthurt! Get used to it!"

nekom: DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

Technically, there's only 99 right now.

3 out of 435 is 1.38%...or is it 436 now with the DC rep?

TheOther: 3 out of 435 is 1.38%...or is it 436 now with the DC rep?

Nebraska has 3 representatives and 2 senators, so 5/435, so 1.15% of all representatives, while having a population of 1,783,432 out of ~306,208,000, so .58% of the population. They have double the representation of the average person.

GAT_00: Nebraska has 3 representatives and 2 senators, so 5/435, so 1.15% of all representatives, while having a population of 1,783,432 out of ~306,208,000, so .58% of the population. They have double the representation of the average person.

Compared to CA, which has 12% of the population and 10% of the Represenatives in Congress. Oh, and CA pays more taxes. I know, shocking.

UNC_Samurai: nekom: DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

Technically, there's only 99 right now.

Technically there are 100. In actuality, there are 99 right now.

GAT_00: TheOther: 3 out of 435 is 1.38%...or is it 436 now with the DC rep?

Nebraska has 3 representatives and 2 senators, so 5/435, so 1.15% of all representatives, while having a population of 1,783,432 out of ~306,208,000, so .58% of the population. They have double the representation of the average person.

What? NO! 435 is the number of House Reps...you don't add Senators...are you kronicfeld's alt?

Nobody ever accused Nebraskans of being smart.

TheOther: GAT_00: TheOther: 3 out of 435 is 1.38%...or is it 436 now with the DC rep?

Nebraska has 3 representatives and 2 senators, so 5/435, so 1.15% of all representatives, while having a population of 1,783,432 out of ~306,208,000, so .58% of the population. They have double the representation of the average person.

What? NO! 435 is the number of House Reps...you don't add Senators...are you kronicfeld's alt?

Since we're all letting our inner pedants off their leashes, you are correct. And 5/535 is .934%, which wouldn't really make the point subby thinks he's making nearly as well as a cherry picked number more than twice as big.

Not that that matters. 3/435 in the House (the body intended to be the people's direct representatives) is .69%, as close as it is mathematically possible to get to the state's share of the whole country's population.

The Senate is non-proportional to State population by design, so including it in this exercise suggests one lacks a grasp of fairly basic American civics. Actually, just engaging in the exercise at all in a representational republic kinda suggests that, which leaves subby little better off than the people he's mocking.

Benevolent Misanthrope: UNC_Samurai: nekom: DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

Technically, there's only 99 right now.

Technically there are 100. In actuality, there are 99 right now.

norm already lost his seat and the seat hasn't been certified to either of them yet.

TheOther: GAT_00: TheOther: 3 out of 435 is 1.38%...or is it 436 now with the DC rep?

Nebraska has 3 representatives and 2 senators, so 5/435, so 1.15% of all representatives, while having a population of 1,783,432 out of ~306,208,000, so .58% of the population. They have double the representation of the average person.

What? NO! 435 is the number of House Reps...you don't add Senators...are you kronicfeld's alt?

MuadDib: And 5/535 is .934%, which wouldn't really make the point subby thinks he's making nearly as well as a cherry picked number more than twice as big.

"Cherry picked"? It's the number of Senators. It's not exactly random.

MuadDib: Not that that matters. 3/435 in the House (the body intended to be the people's direct representatives) is .69%, as close as it is mathematically possible to get to the state's share of the whole country's population.

.58% of the population compared to .69% of the Reps is "as close as it is mathematically possible? They are actually the *most* overrepresented of all states with 3 congressman - they have 1.7 million people and 3 congressman while Utah has 2.7 million and 3. They are #3 out of 50 in terms of "least amount of people per congressmen".

They are overrepresented.

MuadDib: The Senate is non-proportional to State population by design, so including it in this exercise suggests one lacks a grasp of fairly basic American civics. Actually, just engaging in the exercise at all in a representational republic kinda suggests that, which leaves subby little better off than the people he's mocking.

The point is its INSANE to chant "taxation without representation" when you are not only represented, but OVER-represented mathematically.

DamnYankees: The point is its INSANE to chant "taxation without representation" when you are not only represented, but OVER-represented mathematically.

I feel that these mathematical semantics is missing the idiocy of the larger point.

The Boston Tea Party was an effective protest because it was direct action against the government, via Britains passing of the tea tax, and the refusal of the ships captains to return their cargo back to Britain.

While it was in some ways a symbolic protest, it did have real visceral meaning.

Tearing open lipton tea bags and dumping them into the harbor is just an empty gesture devoid of meaning, which affects no one and has no repercussions in the slightest. It's just stupid.

ninjakirby: Tearing open lipton tea bags and dumping them into the harbor is just an empty gesture devoid of meaning, which affects no one and has no repercussions in the slightest. It's just stupid.

Wait a minute. I thought they really were going to teabag each other...

Naw, I gave up and started drinking since I was obviously dragging down the average.

Why don't these hippies get a damn job?

Why do these people hate America?

ninjakirby: The Boston Tea Party was an effective protest because it was direct action against the government, via Britains passing of the tea tax, and the refusal of the ships captains to return their cargo back to Britain.

You think any of these idiots know that? If you actually ask them what the Boston Tea Party was about, I imagine about 1% might know.

ninjakirby: Tearing open lipton tea bags and dumping them into the harbor is just an empty gesture devoid of meaning, which affects no one and has no repercussions in the slightest. It's just stupid.

I've said this before. Dumping the crown's money into the harbor gets a reaction. Dumping your own money in the harbor doesn't.

Mentat: img211.imageshack.us

That image looks like the ramblings of a schizophrenic.

kronicfeld: I realized my mistake instantly and was too ashamed to correct myself. Let me have it.

They will and once this goes to the main page then the beatings will get even worse. Also, I don't know how but you managed to turn this thread into a giant math circus and in 2 posts no less. That's talent to be proud of.

Mentat: I've said this before. Dumping the crown's money into the harbor gets a reaction. Dumping your own money in the harbor doesn't.

I think that image is a perfect representation of the tea party movement.

"What do we want?"

"To not just complain about one thing but to use this movement as a springboard to complain about everything we hate in order to convince ourselves that we're a silent majority!"

"When do we want it?"

"We haven't thought that through yet!"

DamnYankees: MuadDib: And 5/535 is .934%, which wouldn't really make the point subby thinks he's making nearly as well as a cherry picked number more than twice as big.

"Cherry picked"? It's the number of Senators. It's not exactly random.

Of course not. But as we've all noted, it's the least applicable number subby could have chosen. The Senate isn't supposed to be proportional and he left out the House (where spending bills are required to originate under the Constitution) entirely.


MuadDib: Not that that matters. 3/435 in the House (the body intended to be the people's direct representatives) is .69%, as close as it is mathematically possible to get to the state's share of the whole country's population.

.58% of the population compared to .69% of the Reps is "as close as it is mathematically possible? They are actually the *most* overrepresented of all states with 3 congressman - they have 1.7 million people and 3 congressman while Utah has 2.7 million and 3. They are #3 out of 50 in terms of "least amount of people per congressmen".

This is an exceptionally silly argument. But I'll humour you and point out that if they only had two, it'd be .46% of the total. Since we can't have fractional reps, that's all I meant.


MuadDib: The Senate is non-proportional to State population by design, so including it in this exercise suggests one lacks a grasp of fairly basic American civics. Actually, just engaging in the exercise at all in a representational republic kinda suggests that, which leaves subby little better off than the people he's mocking.

The point is its INSANE to chant "taxation without representation" when you are not only represented, but OVER-represented mathematically.

I don't have any direct knowledge, but I suspect it was chosen for the same reason the tea's being dumped and the "Don't Tread On Me" flags are finding new life: The symbolic rather than the literal meaning. Or, they could be speaking on behalf of all the millions of future Americans who are going to actually have to pay for this egregious and unjustifiable orgy of spending. I don't know; I can't read minds. I don't intend to use that slogan myself, but it's not insane.

The N stands for nowledge.

/pic is hot

MuadDib: This is an exceptionally silly argument.

It's not remotely silly. It's proof that they are overrepresented. What other kind of evidence would you want?

MuadDib: Or, they could be speaking on behalf of all the millions of future Americans who are going to actually have to pay for this egregious and unjustifiable orgy of spending

And...there it is.

MuadDib: I don't intend to use that slogan myself, but it's not insane.

They really should just start singing "We Shall Overcome" and chain themselves to the cotton fields. That wouldn't be insane either, I guess.

TheOther: What? NO! 435 is the number of House Reps...you don't add Senators...are you kronicfeld's alt?

Goddammit so much. I fail hard.

Mentat: ninjakirby: Tearing open lipton tea bags and dumping them into the harbor is just an empty gesture devoid of meaning, which affects no one and has no repercussions in the slightest. It's just stupid.

I've said this before. Dumping the crown's money into the harbor gets a reaction. Dumping your own money in the harbor doesn't.

Pretty much. Sort of defeats the purpose, but dang it gets the less than bright and less than motivated excited about the process.

You're a Republican, and you want to make a difference? Hold our leadership accountable, and stop looking at the damn finger like a cat that can't find the food.

burndtdan: Benevolent Misanthrope: UNC_Samurai: nekom: DamnYankees: There are 100 Senators...

He never said there weren't.

Technically, there's only 99 right now.

Technically there are 100. In actuality, there are 99 right now.

norm already lost his seat and the seat hasn't been certified to either of them yet.

Sighhh.. Okay, let's take it in little bits then.

Technically - that means, "according to the rules". And according to the rules, there are 100 Senators.

In actuality - that means, "what the situation really is, despite the rules". And the situation is that Minnesota has only one Senator now; therefore, the United States has only 99 Senators.

Life as a Grammar Nazi™ is so very hard these days...

MuadDibOr, they could be speaking on behalf of all the millions of future Americans who are going to actually have to pay for this egregious and unjustifiable orgy of spending.

1 - The teabaggers don't give a shiat about the future generations. They stood silently by and cheered while Bush doubled the national debt.

2. The vast majority of people realize that the spending is absolutly necessary if we are to get the economy moving again.

3. We have spent much more in the past as a percentage of GDP. There is no reason to doubt we will survive this spending.

These teabaggers keep saying they're not political, they're some movement of the people protesting an unfair government, blah blah blah.

Who the fark are they fooling? Does anyone thing you can find a single one of these wahrgarbling nutbuckets who hasn't been screaming about how dangerous Obama would be/is for the last year?

We have secretly replaced this Fox News fan's teabag with Folgers, think he'll notice?

also one of their senators is a democrat (Nelson)

I've tried explaining this to certain people. They shriek that WE FOUGHT A REVOLUTION OVER THIS, but the minute I remind them that we now have representation, they're speechless. They don't change their views of course, but they're completely incapable of defending them intelligently.

Rufus_T_Firefly: /Fark meme bonus goodness

That is beautiful.

The Lipton people must be just shrieking with joy for all these yahoos throwing tea out the window.

I'm also reminded of America: the book:

"No taxation without representation: a phrase which would start an American tradition: The reductionist rhyming chant."