1) I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money (unless you're in Beverly Hills or some similarly posh spot). Stupid place to rob.

2) Bravo to whoever shot him. I hate robbers.

Epsilon: 1) I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money (unless you're in Beverly Hills or some similarly posh spot). Stupid place to rob.

2) Bravo to whoever shot him. I hate robbers.

Seriously, that's like robbing the people in line at the welfare office.

People at AA, and especially NA, aren't there because they are doing so great. And yes, Bravo, robbing people when they're down on their luck is the lowest of low.

The dumbass probably thought that they were all drunk and helpless, or something. Guess he found out different.

/hot like Cage
//Wut??

Never rob the sober and pissed off. Stick with drunk and happy.

Something tells me that people at AA meetings aren't in the best of moods. It's not a huge stretch of the imagination to say that it would be unwise to fark with them.

Tr0mBoNe: Never rob the sober and pissed off. Stick with drunk and happy.

What about drunk, armed, and pissed off?.

i'll drink to that.

CygnusDarius: Tr0mBoNe: Never rob the sober and pissed off. Stick with drunk and happy.

What about drunk, armed, and pissed off?.

I guess we'll leave that up as an exercise for the reader.

That first step's a doozy

Pardon me, while I whip this out...

Epsilon 1) I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money (unless you're in Beverly Hills or some similarly posh spot). Stupid place to rob.

A meeting I attend on a weekly basis has > 20 members with more than 15 years sober and in fact doing very well financially...an No I don't live in Beverly Hills.

tortilla burger: Something tells me that people at AA meetings aren't in the best of moods. It's not a huge stretch of the imagination to say that it would be unwise to fark with them.

By that same token, I'm not sure I like the idea of a some asshole going through alcohol withdrawal carrying a weapon.

Haha. I find this funny, because there was just an article in my University's newspaper claiming that, "Those with a concealed weapons permit wouldn't even know how to use a gun if necessary...they are a danger to everyone..."

sugarfoots: Epsilon 1) I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money (unless you're in Beverly Hills or some similarly posh spot). Stupid place to rob.

A meeting I attend on a weekly basis has > 20 members with more than 15 years sober and in fact doing very well financially...an No I don't live in Beverly Hills.

Well now I don't know who to believe.

They may not have a lot of money, but I think they're pretty likely to carry cash instead of cards. And there's usually an old guy or two that can peel off a hundred-dollar loan 'bout any time.

Of course, they're also a population with a high incidence of being ready to blow the shiat out of you.

The AA meetings I used to go to had a lot of old, big burley ex-bikers and these skinny, wiry work boot wearing, shiat kicking older rednecks. They treated each other just fine -- but I suspected that it wouldn't be wise for an outsider to pi$$ them off. Come in to get sober and be welcome. Come in to start some shiat and they'll leave your bits and pieces at the curb with the trash.

BTW. We had a lot of members with cash -- but you learned real fast to keep it to yourself and not 'loan' it out.

Drunks with handguns. What a country!

T-Luv: sugarfoots: Epsilon 1) I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money (unless you're in Beverly Hills or some similarly posh spot). Stupid place to rob.

A meeting I attend on a weekly basis has > 20 members with more than 15 years sober and in fact doing very well financially...an No I don't live in Beverly Hills.

Well now I don't know who to believe.



/comes in handy spray form

cute tag missing?

Tr0mBoNe: T-Luv: sugarfoots: Epsilon 1) I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money (unless you're in Beverly Hills or some similarly posh spot). Stupid place to rob.

A meeting I attend on a weekly basis has > 20 members with more than 15 years sober and in fact doing very well financially...an No I don't live in Beverly Hills.

Well now I don't know who to believe.



/comes in handy spray form

At least it's better than GOD-ON.

/GOD-ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUL
//GOD-ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUL
///GOD-ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUL

Mmmmm, good day for juicy gun justice. First the Pirates and now this. Yum.

Tr0mBoNe

You know how to know you're old? When that hairstyle, that makeup, and that sweater make you horny.

**scrolls up**

Yep. I'm old.

sattizahn: Haha. I find this funny, because there was just an article in my University's newspaper claiming that, "Those with a concealed weapons permit wouldn't even know how to use a gun if necessary...they are a danger to everyone..."

20/20 did a show titled "IF I ONLY HAD A GUN". It was hard to not scream at the TV, but the neighbors have repeatedly informed me that it's inappropriate to scream incoherently after 9pm.

Just before I blacked out I remember seeing children in a classroom like setting pointing guns at each other. Later that evening I awoke naked in a field, covered in blood that was not my own.

You think Danny Glover has trouble hailing a cab?

Owned.

AA's come from all economic and cultural backgrounds. I have been a grateful member of AA for twenty years and have never seen someone going through withdraw at a meeting. AA's who are working the program are happy, productive members of society.

Epsilon: I've been to AA meetings and nobody there has any money

I go to meetings, and here's a strange but true fact:

Generally speaking, meetings in more affluent areas tend to have more affluent attendees.

Go figure!

_{/not in Beverly Hills
//sobriety rocks!}

First: You get pretty much every kind of person at AA meetings. Rich, poor, angry, happy, whatever.

Second: That guy got shot, but funny thing is, had he survived and come back a few weeks later, honestly trying to get sober, people would have welcomed him.

Third: why didn't he just get elected secretary and steal the money? It's almost traditional.

Approves...

I would whole heartedly agree with the other AA members in this thread. Listen to a few stories in the meetings and you will understand that most of us have been to heck and back. Certainly not a crowd to be messed with.

Brilliant place to rob, no money and pretty good odds someone there will have a gun because there many times are cops at these meetings going for their problems. A Dunkin Donut place is one of the few places that would be more likely to have someone with a gun there.

ad: I would whole heartedly agree with the other AA members in this thread. Listen to a few stories in the meetings and you will understand that most of us have been to heck and back. Certainly not a crowd to be messed with.


Holy crap! There are sober people on Fark?

I thought the liberals told me that increased gun ownership is a bad thing?

The Twelve Biggest Secrets of Alcoholics Anonymous
Or, What They Don't Want You to KnowLink (new window)

/Oddly, That they might be packin' heat is not mentioned.

I guess it was his round.

As a fellow concealed Carry license holder - my hat goes off to the person that shot and killed the robber.

They removed one more cancer on this society of ours. To those that oppose gun ownership - this is a great example of what GOOD they can do in the hands of properly licensed and trained people. Protecting the innocent from people that want to destroy society from the inside out.

Just as a pre-retort to the anti-gun nuts, what would have happened if the robber opened fire and killed one or more innocent people trying to get their life back on track? Would you have just shrugged it off?

It's a rare thing these days - but Justice does make an appearance every now and then, this is one of those times it was in the right place at the right time :)

accelerus: As a fellow concealed Carry license holder - my hat goes off to the person that shot and killed the robber.

They removed one more cancer on this society of ours. To those that oppose gun ownership - this is a great example of what GOOD they can do in the hands of properly licensed and trained people. Protecting the innocent from people that want to destroy society from the inside out.

Just as a pre-retort to the anti-gun nuts, what would have happened if the robber opened fire and killed one or more innocent people trying to get their life back on track? Would you have just shrugged it off?

It's a rare thing these days - but Justice does make an appearance every now and then, this is one of those times it was in the right place at the right time :)

For the record, I am 100% on your side, but your hypothetical made me think of my own:

What would have happened if the man with the concealed carry license shot at the robber, missed, and hit someone else? If the AA attendees would have given up their money without anyone getting shot, wouldn't the CCW permit make things worse in this instance?

God - give me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and a concealed weapon just in case I get a chance.

Let me guess... Texas? If pull a gun on a robber in Cali, you would be paying to him or his family for the rest of your miserable life (and probably do time)

/ unless you can prove he was posing an immediate danger to your life or the lives of those around ewe

Keep Texas Zombie Free: sattizahn: Haha. I find this funny, because there was just an article in my University's newspaper claiming that, "Those with a concealed weapons permit wouldn't even know how to use a gun if necessary...they are a danger to everyone..."

20/20 did a show titled "IF I ONLY HAD A GUN". It was hard to not scream at the TV, but the neighbors have repeatedly informed me that it's inappropriate to scream incoherently after 9pm.

Just before I blacked out I remember seeing children in a classroom like setting pointing guns at each other. Later that evening I awoke naked in a field, covered in blood that was not my own.

You think Danny Glover has trouble hailing a cab?

That show was the biggest piece of propaganda and fearmongering I have ever seen.

"I was just trying to fire a warning shot, officer. Damn DTs!"

I used to regularly attend AA meetings and I too concur with the other AAers here - If you are trying to do something as difficult as kicking the bottle, it is best to associate yourself with a bunch of people that have done it successfully. Having said that, I have never known a real hardcore criminal before quitting drinking. After joining AA, I have met and befriended murderers, bank robbers, car thieves, and guys/girls with other assorted felonies. Not to mention the organization tends to attract the otherwise mentally unbalanced. Real criminals that have done real time.....what idiot would want to try and rob a group of cats like that?

Mr_Master2: accelerus: As a fellow concealed Carry license holder - my hat goes off to the person that shot and killed the robber.

They removed one more cancer on this society of ours. To those that oppose gun ownership - this is a great example of what GOOD they can do in the hands of properly licensed and trained people. Protecting the innocent from people that want to destroy society from the inside out.

Just as a pre-retort to the anti-gun nuts, what would have happened if the robber opened fire and killed one or more innocent people trying to get their life back on track? Would you have just shrugged it off?

It's a rare thing these days - but Justice does make an appearance every now and then, this is one of those times it was in the right place at the right time :)

For the record, I am 100% on your side, but your hypothetical made me think of my own:

What would have happened if the man with the concealed carry license shot at the robber, missed, and hit someone else? If the AA attendees would have given up their money without anyone getting shot, wouldn't the CCW permit make things worse in this instance?

I'm not sure if you've ever taken any shooting classes or what not, but they do cover things like that in the class. In the classes I've taken, they stress rules like that the most. Like, "Don't shoot if there's a baby's forehead right behind the robber's killzone..." etc, etc.

It's a nifty class, I recommend everyone take one just for the knowledge!

For the record, I am 100% on your side, but your hypothetical made me think of my own:

What would have happened if the man with the concealed carry license shot at the robber, missed, and hit someone else? If the AA attendees would have given up their money without anyone getting shot, wouldn't the CCW permit make things worse in this instance?


You are right - and we could go back and forth all day on hypothetical scenarios each proving whatever point we'd like to make. When I took my CHL class, you are educated in how the law works, when it applies, when it does NOT apply, and how to judge for yourself the best course of action. Generally if you fear for your life, you are authorized to use deadly force to protect you or others. The fact that said Robber showed up with a gun is enough proof any sane court would need to show that he intended to do harm if his demands were not met. I don't know how Crazy ass California works, but we are very intolerant of criminals here in Texas.

To answer your hypothetical scenario - if good samaritan had hurt an innocent third party with his gun by not aiming properly or whatnot, then he would face his own set of court problems, wrongful death, involuntary manslaughter, or whatever applies in the case. To summarize CHL - if you fear for your life you can do whatever you need to against a criminal threat to ensure yours or others survival. Like the popular saying goes "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

Karma Chameleon: By that same token, I'm not sure I like the idea of a some asshole going through alcohol withdrawal carrying a weapon.
Are they a law-abiding citizen?
If yes, shut up and respect their rights.
If no, explain exactly why they should be prevented from defending themselves with an effective weapon.
I resent your insinuation that lawful citizens should be disarmed, and I challenge your authority to decide who is capable of safe carry.

char_boy: Drunks with handguns. What a country!
We have laws regarding carry while intoxicated in most (perhaps all) states. It wouldn't surprise me if the police had the CCW holder blow into the breathalyzer - and I'm fairly sure his intoxicated state would have been mentioned if that had been the case. See my comment to Karma Chameleon regarding the validity of your opinion on who should and should not be packing.

accelerus: Just as a pre-retort to the anti-gun nuts, what would have happened if the robber opened fire and killed one or more innocent people trying to get their life back on track? Would you have just shrugged it off?
The robber was utilizing a gun for armed robbery, according to the article. Thus, an immediate and viable threat to the safety of the people in the room (including the CCW holder) existed. I'm making a generalization here, but your average armed robbery involves both pointing the firearm at the robbed, and keeping the firearm in a viable state (loaded, finger on trigger) or maintaining a bluff regarding the firearm's functionality. Presenting a threat to the safety and life of citizens is a risky thing, perhaps if the robber had thought his cunning plan through, he might have considered that.

Sounds like a legit shoot to me.
Think the networks will be putting this on the news?

CygnusDarius: Tr0mBoNe: Never rob the sober and pissed off. Stick with drunk and happy.

What about drunk, armed, and pissed off?.

I've found from personal experience that alcohol and firearms are a bad mix.

legrandbatard: Let me guess... Texas? If pull a gun on a robber in Cali, you would be paying to him or his family for the rest of your miserable life (and probably do time)

/ unless you can prove he was posing an immediate danger to your life or the lives of those around ewe

It happened in South Carolina and it doesn't look like the shooter will be charged. Laws here allow use of deadly force if you feel your life is in danger.

Stupid indeed. I've never been to an AA meeting, but a friend of mine has and he said that almost every meeting has at least one cop in attendence.

sattizahn: Haha. I find this funny, because there was just an article in my University's newspaper claiming that, "Those with a concealed weapons permit wouldn't even know how to use a gun if necessary...they are a danger to everyone..."

Obviously the clown that wrote the article doesn't know what the fark they're talking about