You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

Replace the dollar? It may be weaker than it once was but nothing else comes close.

greatest boom for freedom

Boon. It's b-o-o-n. Unless you're talking about our bombing runs, you might want to spell the important words right as you troll.

2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

Exactly. Just because a bunch of over-nationalistic nutters can't see their country for what it is doesn't mean the rest of us feel the same way.

"The debacle in Iraq may remain fresh in the world's mind but stability, like Coca Cola, has also been a U.S. export. The very notion of American imperialism has long been ridiculous on its face."

Sweet Jesus. I don't even have the time to take on this load of sh*t.

2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans Americans ever done for us?

Weaver95: 2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans Americans ever done for us?

Bhopal?

Green? With the boom and all? lol

/Going to blow up larger than large.

Weaver95: 2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans Americans ever done for us?

did he say blessed are the greek?

St_Francis_P: Green? With the boom and all? lol

/Going to blow up larger than large.

Real Americans^TM don't need to know proper definitions.

Aarontology: St_Francis_P: Green? With the boom and all? lol

/Going to blow up larger than large.

Real AmericansTM don't need to know proper definitions.

Very true. Red-blooded Americans tell those namby-pamby words what to mean!

Pax Americana has been good for some of America and some of its allies, but I think several tens of millions of dismembered brown people would like to disagree with the success of that policy...if they weren't dismembered and all. The greatest boom they got was a bomb landing on their house.

Procedural Texture: but I think several tens of millions of dismembered brown people

Overstating troll is overstating

When was this Pax Americana? We haven't managed to go 25 years without a war since...ever?

DamnYankees: When was this Pax Americana? We haven't managed to go 25 years without a war since...ever?

maybe they mean pox americana, where america becomes a pox on other nations by constantly starting wars with them?

Tatsuma: Procedural Texture: but I think several tens of millions of dismembered brown people

Overstating troll is overstating

Dozens and dozens of dead Arabs.

Yeah, man, we should totally emulate the Romans! Imperialism always goes so well . . .

Heh.

Looks like the effete internet male libs are spilling over from the concealed carry thread.

Tatsuma: Procedural Texture: but I think several tens of millions of dismembered brown people

Overstating troll is overstating

I'm all for Pax Americana, but if you think this is overstating, you've never read a history book in your life.

DamnYankees: When was this Pax Americana? We haven't managed to go 25 years without a war since...ever?

We, meaning humanity hasn't managed to go 25 years without a war ever. Granted, I wouldn't call our recent wars anything to sniff at unfortunately.

I can state with fair certainty that this thread will contain no rational arguments of consequence.

Well, as a citizen in a country that had a military dictatorship supported by the US government during that so called Pax Americana, I have to respectfully disagree with David Paul Kuhn of RealClearPolitics.

Pohorelec: I can state with fair certainty that this thread will contain no rational arguments of consequence.

So it's a Fark Thread?

Not over yet?

Well I Chairman Obama have plans for that. My fellow Comrades we have to crush this weath making machine, add taxes, add social programs, and best of all???? Kill Joe the Plummers dream please.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Looks like the effete

The effete male lib thing is about 10 years out of style. At least put some time int keeping up ypur talking points dude.

/subby is an eediot

2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

Yeah that's right. Never ever listen to those with opinions different from your own. Don't want to ruin that perfectly brainwashed mind from all the years of liberal propaganda do you?

Trielli: Well, as a citizen in a country that had a military dictatorship supported by the US government during that so called Pax Americana, I have to respectfully disagree with David Paul Kuhn of RealClearPolitics.



Gee I wonder what type of military or religious dictatorship you would have truly suffered under if the US did not support them.

What country are you referring to?

the_vegetarian_cannibal: 2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

Yeah that's right. Never ever listen to those with opinions different from your own. Don't want to ruin that perfectly brainwashed mind from all the years of liberal propaganda do you?

Do you read every article linked here from Kos, and other liberal outlets?

I'm actually talking about Brazil, that was a democratic country until a coup d'etat in 1964 because our president then was left-leaning, but far from communist.

But of course I could be talking about Chile or Argentina or etc etc...

Phil Herup: Trielli: Well, as a citizen in a country that had a military dictatorship supported by the US government during that so called Pax Americana, I have to respectfully disagree with David Paul Kuhn of RealClearPolitics.



Gee I wonder what type of military or religious dictatorship you would have truly suffered under if the US did not support them.

What country are you referring to?

Wait, do you think the US has never supported a murderous brutal regime over one that would be better for its citizens? farking seriously?

Phil Herup: Trielli: Well, as a citizen in a country that had a military dictatorship supported by the US government during that so called Pax Americana, I have to respectfully disagree with David Paul Kuhn of RealClearPolitics.



Gee I wonder what type of military or religious dictatorship you would have truly suffered under if the US did not support them.

What country are you referring to?

Heh, wow. You know, there's a reason the revolutionary government of Iran was so nasty. It was because we had assisted the Shaw in disappearing the non-religious rebels.

Plus, if he says Chile, are you honestly going to defend the support of Pinochet?

Trielli: I'm actually talking about Brazil, that was a democratic country until a coup d'etat in 1964 because our president then was left-leaning, but far from communist.

But of course I could be talking about Chile or Argentina or etc etc...

Or Central America, or Iran, or....

Denying America's history is retarded.

Trielli: I'm actually talking about Brazil, that was a democratic country until a coup d'etat in 1964 because our president then was left-leaning, but far from communist.

But of course I could be talking about Chile or Argentina or etc etc...

Sorry, that was to clarify Phil Herup's questioning. And just to be clear, I didn't actually suffer the horrors of the military dictatorship (I was born when our president still wasn't elected by the people, but the repression was fading away).

PascalsGhost: Wait, do you think the US has never supported a murderous brutal regime over one that would be better for its citizens? farking seriously?


Not at all, just wanted some clarity is all.

Man is till capable of mass inhumanity.

Trielli: Sorry, that was to clarify Phil Herup's questioning.


Thanks.

Can anyone show me how America has been responsible for the dismemberment of several tens of millions of brown people?

I don't think that guy understands what "pax" means.

winterwhile: Not over yet?

Well I Chairman Obama have plans for that. My fellow Comrades we have to crush this weath making machine, add taxes, add social programs, and best of all???? Kill Joe the Plummers dream please.

Hey, can you tell me when the raising taxes thing is going to start?
I want to make sure I making less then so I won't have to pay more.

Poor Joe the Plumber.
I'll bet he wishes he was clearing pipes of feces right about now.

I agree that America is an inspiration for nations and people across the globe, but there is a huge difference between encouraging nations to embrace freedom and invading and occupying nations to force our way of life on them. There is also a huge difference between promoting free elections and rigging elections in foreign nations to favor our national interests. Too often the US has assumed that what is good for our nation is good for the entire world, and I think that is the arrogance Obama was speaking of.

Tatsuma: Can anyone show me how America has been responsible for the dismemberment of several tens of millions of brown people?

Silly boy. You actually expect the libs to use FACTS to back up their arguments and accusations? You have more faith than I do.

Tatsuma: Can anyone show me how America has been responsible for the dismemberment of several tens of millions of brown people?

By not preventing the eventual death of the entire universe, of course.

Weaver95: 2wolves: You say "Pax Americana," I say badly done imperialism. No clicky for Real Cloudy Propaganda.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans Americans English ever done for us?

Snark aside, one man's civilizing is another man's unbearable yoke, it seems to be a pretty universal human instinct to object to having "them" tell "us" what to do. Look at how hard Americans object to the concept of socialism even though many socialist countries (Scandinavian I'm thinking) have higher levels of public health, order, education, sanitation, etc. Why is that? The costs, in personal freedoms, are thought to outweigh these improvements. This reaction to your own country...the same principle when applied to a situation with an external imposition would seem to hold (and likely be even stronger I'd wager).

Personally, I'm a socialist leaning anti-imperialism sort, just to air out my personal biases (essentially I trust my elected govt. but not someone else's).

The Roman model is a pretty applicable analogue I think, if one limits it to Republican Rome where the model wasn't one of conquest as much a convenient "alliances" where cities agreed to follow Rome's lead in return for support. Of course the analogy only stretches so far as Rome eventually became a direct conquest empire...

Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: I don't think that guy understands what "pax" means.



A world without sin.

Phil Herup: Trielli: Well, as a citizen in a country that had a military dictatorship supported by the US government during that so called Pax Americana, I have to respectfully disagree with David Paul Kuhn of RealClearPolitics.

Gee I wonder what type of military or religious dictatorship you would have truly suffered under if the US did not support them.

What country are you referring to?

Brasil.

I was afraid he was going to be from Chile and I wasn't sure how I could appropriately apologize to him then.
Still, what we did to Brasil wasn't really a nice thing to do.

You don't follow Latin American history much, eh Phil?

By the way, where are you from Daniel?
I have relatives that live in Rio (Urca)
I have traveled over a lot of your country.
What I wouldn't do for a half dozen Caipirinhas about now, preferably sitting in Buzios.

RemyDuron: Phil Herup: Trielli: Well, as a citizen in a country that had a military dictatorship supported by the US government during that so called Pax Americana, I have to respectfully disagree with David Paul Kuhn of RealClearPolitics.



Gee I wonder what type of military or religious dictatorship you would have truly suffered under if the US did not support them.

What country are you referring to?

Heh, wow. You know, there's a reason the revolutionary government of Iran was so nasty. It was because we had assisted the Shaw in disappearing the non-religious rebels.

Plus, if he says Chile, are you honestly going to defend the support of Pinochet?

Shah

winterwhile: Not over yet?

Well I Chairman Obama have plans for that. My fellow Comrades we have to crush this weath making machine, add taxes, add social programs, and best of all???? Kill Joe the Plummers dream please.

You are so profoundly nasty, and yet so stupid and worthless, I may have to put you on ignore, despite the fact that on principal I have never put anyone on ignore.

Not even Darconix, or Phil Herup, or The Convincing Savant, or Tatsuma got put on ignore, but you may have just done it.

FTA:Between 1976 and 2006, the number of "free" nations more than doubled, from 42 to 90, while nations "not free" fell from 68 to 45, according to Freedom House. There are 123 democratic countries today, compared to, give or take, 22 in 1950.

One could just as easily attribute that to the implosion of the USSR which, despite US textbook reports, was not actually caused by speeches by Kennedy and Reagan at the Berlin wall. Basically all the US attempts at nation building have been a failures because the US had no idea about or interest in the local culture or just didn't take the time to think about the consequences:

-Iran Contra Scandal

-Helping the Taliban in Afghanistan

-Vietnam

-Bay of Pigs

-Helping Saddam against Iran.

-Invasion of Iraq

There's a good reason that every mention of US benevolence, spreading of freedom and military power seems to reference WWII. Ever since the CIA was founded and started influencing foreign policy the US has gotten involved in one unnecessary conflict after another.

Tatsuma: Can anyone show me how America has been responsible for the dismemberment of several tens of millions of brown people?

circumcisions in American run aid hospitals is perhaps the United States' most shameful legacy

Tatsuma: Procedural Texture: but I think several tens of millions of dismembered brown people

Overstating troll is overstating

I wonder just how many we have killed over the years though.
All over the world we have killed for industry and profit.
To make sure our companies got what they wanted.
From Hearst to Getty to Rockefeller and Halliburton. From Standard Oil to Wall st. the US military has always been there as a blunt instrument in which to force those who didn't want to do business with us to either comply or they would overthrow or destroy them.

Smedley Butler knew the truth. So it seems did Eisenhower. Both of whom ironically were republicans.
Or what used to be republicans. before they got hijacked by the Dixiecrat wingnut racists.
There were warnings. Signs we should have paid attention to.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: Wait, do you think the US has never supported a murderous brutal regime over one that would be better for its citizens? farking seriously?


Not at all, just wanted some clarity is all.

Man is till capable of mass inhumanity.

Really? Then why this:

Gee I wonder what type of military or religious dictatorship you would have truly suffered under if the US did not support them.