Wikipedia needs a page on the Culture War with that box on the right - with leaders and casualty counts and stuff.

Now if the rest of the right can accept that "culture war" issues are a losing proposition for them (much like gun control is a losing issue for Democrats), then they'd be a much better party.

good

We made a lot of progress through the Eighties but then we turned into the Nineties and the internet came along

Yes. The ability to sniff out bullshiat became much easier. I'm quite sure these guys would love to control the exchange of information without all of those pesky tubes.

We won! We won! Hookers and blow for EVERYBODY!

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: We won! We won! Hookers and blow for EVERYBODY!

I'm just gonna celebrate with some gay sex and an abortion or two.

It was God's will. You'll get over it.

Gosh, it must be hell for Dobson to live in a free country where everyone has their own definition of "culture." We should pool our resources and send this guy the most exotic hooker we can find. You know, to sooth his bruised feelings.

W]e made a lot of progress through the Eighties but then we turned into the Nineties and the internet came along and a new president came along and all of that went away and now we are absolutely awash in evil. And we are right now in the most discouraging period of that long conflict. Humanly speaking, we can say that we have lost all those battles, but God is in control and we are not going to give up now, right?


um....whut?

I'm so sad that they have so far been able to turn the US into a Christian theocracy which is what they have wanted. Their like pretty much want to create a US system of government like the Iranian system only replacing "Islamic Republic" with "Christian Republic". It's amusing to watch our own religious right rail against Iran when really they have much more in common with the Iranian religious leadership than they do with American ideals of liberty and self determination.

WorldCitizen: I'm so sad that they have so far been able to turn the US into a Christian theocracy which is what they have wanted.

Should be "I'm so sad that they have NOT so far been able to turn the US into a Christian theocracy..."

I blame it on my slight hangover. I was out in straight and gay bars last night helping to keep America awash in evil.

no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

FTFA: ...now we are absolutely awash in evil. And we are right now in the most discouraging period of that long conflict.

I'd have thought the most discouraging period of that 'long conflict' was around the eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth century during the Crusades.

That's it, I'm going to Hooters!

Somebody remind Mr. Dobson that the lord, HIS lord, works in mysterious ways.

If the "Rapture" is such a good thing for Xtians, why is it that they pretend to fight against the things that will make it happen?

/sorry. forgot that logic is not a part of this discussion

Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

It's very easy to fact-check his bullshiat. And the bullshiat that is his religion.

And YouPorn.com, of course.

Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

the free flow of ideas and the ability to fact check everything they say. Ya know the obvious

0Icky0: Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

It's very easy to fact-check his bullshiat. And the bullshiat that is his religion.

And YouPorn.com, of course.

xhamster.com is good too,

fark you, Dobson, and your antiquated bullshiat religion.

I'm sorry Mr. Dobson. See most of Ameica outgrew the whole Homophobia thing in high school. You must have some serious issues to hate gays so much. Seriously STFU so we can fix what is wrong with this country. Until we can combine tax cuts, spending cuts, and individual freedom, we are a mere shell of what we are meant to be.


Sincerely GWP.

/FISCAL Conservatism = good
//Social conservatism = bigotry

Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

He's a misanthrope.

It gives a soapbox for practically everyone to speak their mind and communicate with each other. He knows, a priori, that this will always lead to sin and moral decay.

Because he thinks the worst of people.

Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

Because religion is about the control of thought and ideas. The only way you can keep that amount of people stuck in a set of ideas is to keep them dumb as a post and never question your "divine" authority. The internet represents the wild west of ideas that cannot be controlled.

Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

I'm guessing because he hasn't played Alpha Centauri:

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

Sister Miriam Godwinson
"The Blessed Struggle"

Because, you know, without the internet we'd be living in an Orwellian distopia...

I have a sound strategy for them to "win" the "culture war"-stop referring to lifestyle actions you don't agree with in terms of combat.

The notion that Dobson has lost in any sort of conflict or argument is enough to give me a warm feeling of satisfaction.

Why are we linking to a stupid blog post about this instead of the actual news article.

If the right wing losing the culture war means that Fark filters its politcal news links through left wing blogs then it can only be a bad thing. Worse than when Brooks won the war for sports tab links.

Etchy333: Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

He's a misanthrope.

It gives a soapbox for practically everyone to speak their mind and communicate with each other. He knows, a priori, that this will always lead to sin and moral decay.

Because he thinks the worst of people.

I was about to make this exact point, but you did it better. Well done.

Sarsin: Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

Because religion is about the control of thought and ideas. The only way you can keep that amount of people stuck in a set of ideas is to keep them dumb as a post and never question your "divine" authority. The internet represents the wild west of ideas that cannot be controlled.

I didn't want to hear your bigotry concerning religion, I wanted to know specifically why Dobson seems to think that the internet is evil. y'know...like speeches he's made, interviews given, that kind of thing. Telling me that 'oh all religious people are like that' is no different that a member of the KKK saying 'oh, you know how those n*gers are'.

Social conservatives like Dobson need to recognize that the culture war was lost (a) because social conservatives have been on the losing side of history for centuries and (b) because the party they've consistently supported does nothing to fight for their causes, though they pay lip service to those causes in order to get votes.

The Republicans had complete control of the country for the past eight years. Abortion is still legal, no Constitutional Amendment prohibiting equal right to contract for gays was ratified, and the country wasn't declared a Christian nation in legislation.

What did the social conservatives get for their support of Bush? They got to watch the richest folks in the country get a tax break that they themselves didn't get. Those richest folks are often at odds with the social attitudes of the rank-and-file, but their money propels the party more than the rank-and-file's email forwarding does.

I'm sorry but did Dobson just pull a "b-b-but Clinton" in that sermon?

Talk about butthurt

Yeah man, those nineties were just a hey-day of degenerate living. Hoo-boy.

So, basically, with the advent of the Internet allowing for the free exchange of information and dissemination of knowledge - people turned away from fear-mongering, hate-filled morons who demand obedience.

Imagine that.

"And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

Yup, sounds about right in this context too

Focus on the Family employee recently arrested for trying to solicit sex from an underage girl:
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Weaver95: Sarsin: Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

Because religion is about the control of thought and ideas. The only way you can keep that amount of people stuck in a set of ideas is to keep them dumb as a post and never question your "divine" authority. The internet represents the wild west of ideas that cannot be controlled.

I didn't want to hear your bigotry concerning religion, I wanted to know specifically why Dobson seems to think that the internet is evil. y'know...like speeches he's made, interviews given, that kind of thing. Telling me that 'oh all religious people are like that' is no different that a member of the KKK saying 'oh, you know how those n*gers are'.

You make the mistake of assuming Dobson is coherent, with an actual platform of issues that he addresses when he speaks.

Dinki: JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: We won! We won! Hookers and blow for EVERYBODY!

I'm just gonna celebrate with some gay sex and an abortion or two.

dude if you get preggers from gay sex... don't abort it's worth big money

Weaver95: Telling me that 'oh all religious people are like that' is no different that a member of the KKK saying 'oh, you know how those n*gers are'.

Actually, it's very different. Race is immutable; religion isn't. Also, Sarsin's post was about religion, not "religious people".

phuquetarde: So, basically, with the advent of the Internet allowing for the free exchange of information and dissemination of knowledge - people turned away from fear-mongering, hate-filled morons who demand obedience.

Imagine that.

kind of explains why communism failed.

But I still would like to know specifics in the case of Mr. Dobson here. did he ever actually SAY that the internet was evil and/or ungodly? I'd love to have that on record somewhere, I could go places with technophobic speeches like that.

His quote above does seem to imply he believes that the internet is at least somewhat reponsible for 'evil'. I just wish he'd have expanded on the idea.....and done so on youtube....

ninjakirby: You make the mistake of assuming Dobson is coherent, with an actual platform of issues that he addresses when he speaks.

And honest. There is no reason to assume that.

Biological Ali: Actually, it's very different. Race is immutable; religion isn't. .

I know a couple hundred million muslims who'd argue that point with you...

The thing is, only people in the Religious Right and in their particularly sliver of the "blogosphere" even GIVE A shiat about the supposed "culture war."

Ordinary people don't care, don't notice it's even on. It's a big "meh, whatever." If someone mentions "culture war," you already know which "side" they're on, 99.99999% of the time.

I'll grant, it does fairly reliably produce the lulz, though.

Biological Ali: Weaver95: Telling me that 'oh all religious people are like that' is no different that a member of the KKK saying 'oh, you know how those n*gers are'.

Actually, it's very different. Race is immutable; religion isn't. Also, Sarsin's post was about religion, not "religious people".

Then again, that post sort of fails then in that it suggests that there is a distinction between the two. (religion and religious people that is, not race and religion)

ninjakirby: You make the mistake of assuming Dobson is coherent, with an actual platform of issues that he addresses when he speaks.

hmm. good point. I did make a basic assumption there about Dobson that might not be true. I kind of tune him out, since he's always come across to me as a lunatic.

I just didn't realize he was a technophobic lunatic in addition to his paranoia.

Weaver95: Biological Ali: Actually, it's very different. Race is immutable; religion isn't. .

I know a couple hundred million muslims who'd argue that point with you...

And Christians. And definitely Hindus.

Doesn't mean they're right.

WorldCitizen: Weaver95: Biological Ali: Actually, it's very different. Race is immutable; religion isn't. .

I know a couple hundred million muslims who'd argue that point with you...

And Christians. And definitely Hindus.

Doesn't mean they're right.

And I didn't say they were right. I just said that to a lot of people in this world, religion isn't immutable. they stick to their belief, and it defines their worldview. to ignore that fact of life is sheer stupidity.

Someone accidentally left Weaver95 tuned to Obstinate Ignorance mode again, I see.

Weaver95: no, seriously - why does Dobson think the internet is evil?

Because God hates research and accountability...

Weaver95: Biological Ali: Actually, it's very different. Race is immutable; religion isn't. .

I know a couple hundred million muslims who'd argue that point with you...

You know a hundred million Muslims? Man, you probably a hell of a time getting through airport security.