It's like saying "See you later" to someone you hope never to see again.

I'd take a look into that Jesus Christ fella. Word has it that he was some kind of trouble-maker back in the day.

Last One Left: I'd take a look into that Jesus Christ fella. Word has it that he was some kind of trouble-maker back in the day.

I'd look out for his followers. Word has it that some misogynistic jerk hijacked the whole Jesus thing and he's been associated with bigots and psychopaths ever since.

Dear Mr. President,

Do you like pasta?

RAmen.

Why doesn't he just put on a dashiki and a scimitar and go to a mosque and get it over with?

Seeing as, based on his past choices, he would have gone to a Nation of Islam-controlled Church paid for by Saudi Arabia and officiated by a xian Hamas member... well that's a wise choice to search beforehand.

/mostly kidding
//no such thing as xian Hamas members, of course.

So if obama picked a church that reflected his values and a reporter found out that one of its previous priests brother's son's friend's raped a girl that you wouldn't be tearing him apart in a new headline?

/didn't think so

Not sure where the Fail is, please elaborate.

Tatsuma: he would have gone to a Nation of Islam-controlled Church paid for by Saudi Arabia and officiated by a xian Hamas member

and he has a fake birth certificate!!! boogity boogity boo!

Tatsuma: Seeing as, based on his past choices, he would have gone to a Nation of Islam-controlled Church paid for by Saudi Arabia and officiated by a xian Hamas member... well that's a wise choice to search beforehand.

Gee, this is fair. Obama doesn't look into a church, church turns out to be guilty and Obama takes heat from the wingnuts. Obama looks into a church's history, and gets mocked for it by wingnuts.

sickofchoosing: So if obama picked a church that reflected his values and a reporter found out that one of its previous priests brother's son's friend's raped a girl that you wouldn't be tearing him apart in a new headline?

exactly

Tatsuma: Seeing as, based on his past choices, he would have gone to a Nation of Islam-controlled Church paid for by Saudi Arabia and officiated by a xian Hamas member... well that's a wise choice to search beforehand.

/mostly kidding
//no such thing as xian Hamas members, of course.

You know for a Jewish guy you are surprisingly unfunny.

That's completely appropriate for his staff to investigate. Now, the difficulty will be finding a racist church in Washington D.C. I mean this could take awhile--what's that? He found one already?


Damn. That didn't take long at all.

heinekenftw: Gee, this is fair. Obama doesn't look into a church, church turns out to be guilty and Obama takes heat from the wingnuts. Obama looks into a church's history, and gets mocked for it by wingnuts.

Maybe he should just take the family to an IHOP.

(reads article) So he's going to church, but they're not announcing which. Good idea.

Halli: You know for a Jewish guy you are surprisingly unfunny.

Not my fault if the idea that he's a secret muslim is retarded. Doesn't give me that much to work with. Plus, just woke up, had coffee and prayed, so gimme a break, mmmkay?

You see, this is what you need to do to get through life. LEARN from your mistakes.

Now, if he would just up and say 'You know, after looking into it I've realized that organized religion has been co opted by the ruling elite as a means of controlling society, and I want no part of this sham played on the masses', well... I'd be impressed.

Anyway, Happy Easter! (Springtime)

What the heck difference does it make which church he chooses? He's not going to listen to the preacher anyway.

Well, first Rev. Wright got blasted by the media. They didn't stop talking about it for months. Farking vultures. Then it was McCain's pastor buddy's turn to get excoriated, that topic was flavor-of-the-month for a little while. Seems like everyone even remotely religious in this last election had everything but a stool sample taken by CNN.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the White House keeping it tactical here.

okay - this vetting shiat is getting out of hand. i realize the GOP doesn't vet (hence, sarah palin) - but the dems are going WAY too far the other way. of course the media is to blame (reverend wright!!!!!111!!), but the administration has totally caved in.

and it's hurting the country. the reason tim geithner is on his own at treasury is because nobody who knows enough to be qualified can pass the onerous vetting process. here's a hint guys: by the time you reach that sociopolitical level, you've got skeletons in your closet - be it unpaid taxes or an undocumented maid named rosa.

it's like watching an NBA game where the refs call every single foul. i say, let 'em play!

Tatsuma: Plus, just woke up, had coffee and prayed, so gimme a break, mmmkay?

Your prayers were already answered by coffee. Don't overdo it.

Tatsuma: Halli: You know for a Jewish guy you are surprisingly unfunny.

Not my fault if the idea that he's a secret muslim is retarded. Doesn't give me that much to work with. Plus, just woke up, had coffee and prayed, so gimme a break, mmmkay?

It's not such a retarded idea. I mean, not side by side to all the other retarded ideas America has birthed.

From issuing forth the information age and beating the USSR at it's own games, the US has fallen to the depths of "intelligent design" and "reality TV." The idea that our president is a secret muslim is actually an improvement.

PattyMcG: Well, first Rev. Wright got blasted by the media.

To be fair, for very good reasons. If Joe Lieberman or Eric Cantor had sat every week in a Synagogue every Shabbos with a Rabbi who was embracing Kahanism from the pulpit every dvar Torah, you think that people who defended Obama/Wright would be defending them?

Jeez, can you REALLY FARKING BLAME THEM?
The way the wingnuts go off about everything, damn straight he's going to make sure the church is kosher.

/yes, I know what I just said

1) Church doesn't matter, he is a president... not a religious leader. Why not judge the guy by the job he is doing?
2) Why shouldn't he have it all researched? Turns out his political opponents seem to latch onto anything they can to attack him, and his church selection has already been used once. It would be very republican of him to see a problem and not solve it "so he can stick to his guns."
3) There are two wars the US is involved in, an economic crisis hitting the entire world, a foreign country with massive dollar holdings proposing a new currency, world-wide political tension and wars not involving America directly, and your own frickin lives to deal with. What the hell does it matter what church the president goes to when he clearly doesn't bring religion to the table in his meetings with other nations?

-don't try to take off with the last point about islam/saudi arabia. I've been to Iraq and had to build rapport with the locals. I'm not even a diplomat, but I've had to cheek-kiss, hold hands, and bow just to make friends. Does it mean I'm a traitor? No, I just know that it's easier to talk with someone who thinks I'm friendly than kicking a guy in the face and then wondering why he treats me with hostility.

If I were him I wouldn't go to one because

A. no matter which one he chooses someone will have something snide to say about

B. It would probably disrupt the church he does choose because of all the fart sniffers out there trying to catch a whiff.

C. IMO it's inappropriate for a president to endorse one faith over the other. It's taking sides.
I'd have my own "personal services" with my family in private.

I hope he chooses a Greek Orthodox Church.

Xyphoid: 1) Church doesn't matter, he is a president... not a religious leader. Why not judge the guy by the job he is doing?

So if, let's say in an alternative universe, President McCain went to a KKK Church, it wouldn't matter?

Tatsuma: PattyMcG: Well, first Rev. Wright got blasted by the media.

To be fair, for very good reasons. If Joe Lieberman or Eric Cantor had sat every week in a Synagogue every Shabbos with a Rabbi who was embracing Kahanism from the pulpit every dvar Torah, you think that people who defended Obama/Wright would be defending them?

Most of us wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.

Tatsuma
PattyMcG: Well, first Rev. Wright got blasted by the media.

To be fair, for very good reasons.

Like what? Bashing America? He served in Vietnam. He fought for the very right (sorta) to say what he wants. Why shouldn't he speak his mind? Now, bashing Obama for going there for twenty years does have some justification, but Wright is no different than many of the other preachers that have had the president's ear over the years.

Personally, I found it amusing.

Tatsuma: So if, let's say in an alternative universe, President McCain went to a KKK Church, it wouldn't matter?

Tatsuma: Xyphoid: 1) Church doesn't matter, he is a president... not a religious leader. Why not judge the guy by the job he is doing?

So if, let's say in an alternative universe, President McCain went to a KKK Church, it wouldn't matter?

I didn't know that the KKK had a church.

Hobodeluxe: If I were him I wouldn't go to one because

A. no matter which one he chooses someone will have something snide to say about

B. It would probably disrupt the church he does choose because of all the fart sniffers out there trying to catch a whiff.

C. IMO it's inappropriate for a president to endorse one faith over the other. It's taking sides.
I'd have my own "personal services" with my family in private.

You do know that almost all of our presidents have been prodestants (protestants?), right? We are a secular nation, not a secular people. It doesn't matter if the president has to sacrifice virgins to the volcano god every spring, the office is still neutral. On paper, anyway.

His (honky) grandparents were Unitarians, and took his mother (and I'm suspecting Barack, at least some time they were raising him) to Unitarian services. Unfortunately, Obama can't play to the drama. All Souls UU in DC has a biracial lesbian assistant pastor, last I remember. That would be fun.

Tatsuma: Seeing as, based on his past choices, he would have gone to a Nation of Islam-controlled Church paid for by Saudi Arabia and officiated by a xian Hamas member... well that's a wise choice to search beforehand.

God farking dammit, Tatsuma, I've been reading Fark for years. I've always considered you a pretty smart, interesting guy to read. But ever since Obama got elected you've got pointedly full retard and you don't seem to be stopping any time soon. Your performance in the thread about how Obama OMG GAVE THE QUEEN AN iPOD was just farking disgusting.

Don't be that guy, dude. Knock this shiat off.

Tatsuma: Xyphoid: 1) Church doesn't matter, he is a president... not a religious leader. Why not judge the guy by the job he is doing?

So if, let's say in an alternative universe, President McCain went to a KKKFC Church, it wouldn't matter?

Church's lacks the herbs and spices.

Kit Carson: What the heck difference does it make which church he chooses? He's not going to listen to the preacher anyway.

Why is that a requirement?

Tatsuma: Xyphoid: 1) Church doesn't matter, he is a president... not a religious leader. Why not judge the guy by the job he is doing?

So if, let's say in an alternative universe, President McCain went to a KFC Church, it wouldn't matter?

Now that's a fingerlickin' good church!

Lawnchair
His (honky) grandparents were Unitarians, and took his mother (and I'm suspecting Barack, at least some time they were raising him) to Unitarian services. Unfortunately, Obama can't play to the drama. All Souls UU in DC has a biracial lesbian assistant pastor, last I remember. That would be fun.

That sounds hawt!

40below: Why doesn't he just put on a dashiki and a scimitar and go to a mosque and get it over with?

He's already got the bowing part down.

jcooli09: Most of us wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.

If Republicans or Independent Jewish representatives of the government sat for 20 years in synagogues where the idea that all Arabs must be transferred out of Israel and that Israel should then annex Azza, Judea and Samaria was preached, we wouldn't hear about it?

dinch: Like what? Bashing America? He served in Vietnam. He fought for the very right (sorta) to say what he wants. Why shouldn't he speak his mind? Now, bashing Obama for going there for twenty years does have some justification, but Wright is no different than many of the other preachers that have had the president's ear over the years.

I'm sorry, have I anywhere indicated that he had no right to say what he wants to say?

Anyone can say the vilest of rhetoric, it's their G-d-given right in America. It's also my G-d-given right to call them on their xenophobia and disgusting public discourse.

Tatsuma: Xyphoid: 1) Church doesn't matter, he is a president... not a religious leader. Why not judge the guy by the job he is doing?

So if, let's say in an alternative universe, President McCain went to a KKK Church, it wouldn't matter?

Tatsuma, I'm disappointed in you. I normally read your posts with joy, but here you've gotten me pretty good.

I guess I could have been more clear. If, in an alternative universe, McCain went to a KKK church, it wouldn't matter to me personally, though I could understand how public perspective of him would shift, so I would see the decision as a poor choice. The difference I would say between Obama specially choosing a church, and the KKK church example, is that Obama doesn't really bring his religion to the office, where McCain does. As well, any given church has a slim chance of being fanatic hate groups, where a KKK church has a good chance of that.

I'm not a fan of extreme arguments, and my response is probably poorly written to counter your argument. You caught me off guard, I couldn't have imagined someone to come at me with that type of a response.

jcooli09: I didn't know that the KKK had a church.

They've had several.

For some reason, they keep burning down.

The KKK have their own church?

Bad economy, country at war, people dying without health care. All those are important, yes, but clearly not as important as to who Obama is bowing to and which church he will attend.

Priorities people, priorities!

Tatsuma: jcooli09: Most of us wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.

If Republicans or Independent Jewish representatives of the government sat for 20 years in synagogues where the idea that all Arabs must be transferred out of Israel and that Israel should then annex Azza, Judea and Samaria was preached, we wouldn't hear about it?



To my mind, the fact that he attends church at all is a stroke against him, I'm pretty ambivalent about the specifics.

I_Am_Weasel: The KKK have their own church?

Of course they do

Xyphoid: I guess I could have been more clear.

Xyphoid: I'm not a fan of extreme arguments, and my response is probably poorly written to counter your argument. You caught me off guard, I couldn't have imagined someone to come at me with that type of a response.

I didn't understand what you mean, that it didn't matter but since you've explained, now I do understand your point and mostly agree with it

/I did use an extreme argument, but I could have said a Jerry Falwell-type, etc... I just really don't know that much about xian preachers, truth to be told.

Fark needs a "troll bait" tag.

Tatsuma

I'm sorry, have I anywhere indicated that he had no right to say what he wants to say?

Anyone can say the vilest of rhetoric, it's their G-d-given right in America. It's also my G-d-given right to call them on their xenophobia and disgusting public discourse.

No, you just said that he deserved the criticism. So it's justifiable for you to vilify him for his comments, but you agree that it's ok for him to say them. That's cool. I just don't care for that kind of attitude when it comes from people that supported other public figures that have said equally disgusting comments, and then turn around and bash Wright for what he said.

Pretty sure they'll have him going to temples, shrines and mosques too. Good luck finding a mosque that isn't funded by the saudis and raising money to various violent causes.