Riiiiight. Because if there's one thing that truly "rocks," it's mind-numbingly tedious predictability.

/What's that, you say? Subby's a Three Doors Down fan?
//That would explain a lot

Timbaland ruins everything and should be banned from the music industry.

Soundgarden rules. But I just couldn't like anything he did with Audioslave, try as I might.

Yes, picking hitmaker-du-jour Timbaland was all about being experimental.

Soundgarden is god damned awful.

Last time Chris was seen rockin':



Sure, experimental is good... but when old rockers say it, it just means they feel like playing stuff that's less strenuous on stage

Isn't Timbaland the company that makes boots?

That's just sad :(

The same thing happened to Santana.

Most good artists also have this little thing called "taste", where they can also realise that their new experimental direction is yeilding utter crap.

In Cornell's case, it may be the worst production choice in the history of rock music.

Neil Young has run down some dead ends in his time, give Cornell time he might come around.

paulseta: Most good artists also have this little thing called "taste", where they can also realise that their new experimental direction is yeilding utter crap.

In Cornell's case, it may be the worst production choice in the history of rock music.


reminds me, I was in a store a few days ago and that song came on...

"No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me...No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me....No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me...No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me"

repeated over and over about 52 times, with the "biatch" censored out... I couldn't do anything else than marvel for 4 minutes at how insanely heinous this song truly, really is

not exactly an "experimental" moment

HappyHarryHardOn:
Sure, experimental is good... but when old rockers say it, it just means they feel like playing stuff that's less strenuous on stage

Don't get me wrong - I shudder at the thought of what this album must sound like. But when it comes to experimentation, not every attempt has to be pure genius.

The deepest sign of weakness in an old rocker isn't innovation...it's complacency. So many artists simply find a comfortable space and spend the rest of their careers huddled in it, convinced that they'll lose their fan base if they dare to step outside.

So, aural-suck as this choice may be, I'm glad he's making it. Because he may learn something new. And the experience just might contribute something worthwhile to a future endeavor.

Evolution over stagnation.

i'd rather listen to audioslave than soundgarden. I can barely get through bad motorfinger.

/yawn

I love both Audioslave and Soundgarden.. and pretty much everything Chris Cornell touches.
Timbaland makes wildly popular beats and great club songs.. he's a genius of production.
Can he make it work with rock? well, if any producer can, it's probably him.

I'll be giving this album a good listening.

KnightsWhoPlayWii: HappyHarryHardOn:
Sure, experimental is good... but when old rockers say it, it just means they feel like playing stuff that's less strenuous on stage

Don't get me wrong - I shudder at the thought of what this album must sound like. But when it comes to experimentation, not every attempt has to be pure genius.

The deepest sign of weakness in an old rocker isn't innovation...it's complacency. So many artists simply find a comfortable space and spend the rest of their careers huddled in it, convinced that they'll lose their fan base if they dare to step outside.

So, aural-suck as this choice may be, I'm glad he's making it. Because he may learn something new. And the experience just might contribute something worthwhile to a future endeavor.

Evolution over stagnation.


I totally agree, except when the artist isn't actually taking a step forward but a step back but there's also something to be said for bands who stay reliable like an old shoe, dependable and consistently good (i.e. Slayer)and stagnation is not necessarily a bad thing either. Their mission is nose-bleed speed metal and they're sticking to the plan.


in the meantime Chris should take his ass-rape like a man and hopefully learn from this experience

hopefully the album will fail horribly and cornell will come to his senses and bring back soundgarden.

HappyHarryHardOn: paulseta: Most good artists also have this little thing called "taste", where they can also realise that their new experimental direction is yeilding utter crap.

In Cornell's case, it may be the worst production choice in the history of rock music.


reminds me, I was in a store a few days ago and that song came on...

"No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me...No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me....No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me...No, that biatch ain't a part of, part of, part of me"

repeated over and over about 52 times, with the "biatch" censored out... I couldn't do anything else than marvel for 4 minutes at how insanely heinous this song truly, really is

not exactly an "experimental" moment

"all I got is four minutes... four minutes... weekiwekki.... four minutes, four minutes..."

Pop and Rap are as dead as Rock.

Pave_the_Planet:

Pop and Rap are as dead as Rock.

Rock and/or rap could be considered "dead" at given times by given people, but pop music can't ever really be "dead". Pop music has always been 99% "forgen in a less than a year" derivative music. It's not as much a genre as a sales representation. Anything that sells enough or a lot is pop.

Timbaland is not experimental.

Experimental is these guys:

Dubplates & Mastering.

Also known as these guys:

Basic Channel.

They are without a doubt the most revered producers in electronic music today. They also know how to work with vocals and have produced some of the most stunning reggae records ever.

I think that would have been interesting. Too bad Moritz had a stroke though. :( I think he's still recovering.

Dr.Knockboots:

I'll be giving this album a good listening.

Here, knock yourself out. (new window).I suggest you listen to it with your mouth not pointing direcly at your monitor

And unlike some of the comments here, I agree with you about Timbaland. He can be fantastic. Love some of his stuff with Missy Elliot, pretty darn trippy... This, not so much

I love pretty much everything Chris Cornell has ever worked on, to varying extents. Soundgarden, Audioslave, Temple of the Dog, his solo albums, all of it.

I tried really hard with his new CD. The first time through, I turned it off after two songs. Couldn't handle it. It was absolutely horrible. (And no, this isn't a "I hate rap or hip hop" thing -- I tend to listen to anything worth listening to).

I gave it another chance two or three days later. It is absolutely 100% horrible. Before I knew anything about the CD, I had said, "This sounds like stolen Amiga music from Timbaland!" And then my fears were confirmed.

Do not waste your time with this. I normally say given any CD at least one listen, but it will be a few moments of your life made worse, and that you can never get back.

flaminglip: Glitchwerks: Timbaland is not experimental.

Thats not true at all. He experimented a lot with Tempest.

Got links? "Tempest" would wield too many hits to narrow it down I think.

Sorry, I always hear people go on and on about Timbaland. He just pretty much ripped off underground music scenes while calling himself a genius. I don't like the dude.

Glitchwerks:

Sorry, I always hear people go on and on about Timbaland. He just pretty much ripped off underground music scenes while calling himself a genius. I don't like the dude.

He's a rip-off artist. I thought he was marginally talented until I began reading more about the people he's ripped off.

He's certainly made himself a mint, though.

flaminglip: Haha no, I was joking. He stole a song from a Finnish demoscener that goes by Tempest.

Timbaland sucks balls.

I think that was actually mentioned on Fark too. I won't say Timbaland sucks balls. I mean, I won't argue with you about it. I just want to know why so many people seem to praise him.

Take BT for example. I can't stand some of his music, but he's an incredible producer. I think he's really on "the next level"...you listen to his tracks and you can always hear something new.

Of course, when BT does make a good song, it's fantastic. "Fibonacci Sequence" (Luminescent/Hybrid remix) remains one of my all time favorite tunes. I just don't care for the stuff he did with N-Sync and I think he should not pick up a microphone.

flaminglip: Glitchwerks: flaminglip: Glitchwerks: Timbaland is not experimental.

Thats not true at all. He experimented a lot with Tempest.

Got links? "Tempest" would wield too many hits to narrow it down I think.

Sorry, I always hear people go on and on about Timbaland. He just pretty much ripped off underground music scenes while calling himself a genius. I don't like the dude.

Haha no, I was joking. He stole a song from a Finnish demoscener that goes by Tempest.

Timbaland sucks balls.

A Timbaland worshiper friend of mine will argue to his dying day he didn't steal it. He went so far as to try to tell me that the guy stole it from Timbaland and Timbaland took it back.

And that's when I realized that people who argue over "producers" are just like ardent religious followers.

That's nothing; have you heard the new Nine Inch Nails?

Kim Thayil was the only thing good that came out of working with Cornell. ask jello ask king5's almost live.


sorry a home sick seattle boy here.

jaundice_joplin: Kim Thayil was the only thing good that came out of working with Cornell. ask jello ask king5's almost live.


sorry a home sick seattle boy here.


LAME LAME LAME LAME!

Klingon Penis: That's nothing; have you heard the new Nine Inch Nails?

That's farking hilarious.

FitzShivering: That's farking hilarious.

Trent Reznor, 3/11/09:

"You know that feeling you get when somebody embarrasses themselves so badly YOU feel uncomfortable? Heard Chris Cornell's record? Jesus."

Klingon Penis: FitzShivering: That's farking hilarious.

Trent Reznor, 3/11/09:

"You know that feeling you get when somebody embarrasses themselves so badly YOU feel uncomfortable? Heard Chris Cornell's record? Jesus."

Yeah, I heard about that whole dustup, just hadn't seen the April Fools Joke.

/bout to go see NIN again soon, yay! :D

Shoulda done a collabo with RZA or Premier or any true hip-hop innovator. He just went for the most popular one instead of the actual talented ones.

HappyHarryHardOn: Dr.Knockboots:

I'll be giving this album a good listening.

Here, knock yourself out. (new window).I suggest you listen to it with your mouth not pointing direcly at your monitor

And unlike some of the comments here, I agree with you about Timbaland. He can be fantastic. Love some of his stuff with Missy Elliot, pretty darn trippy... This, not so much

I made it 36 seconds. I have no words. Only:

FitzShivering: A Timbaland worshiper friend of mine will argue to his dying day he didn't steal it. He went so far as to try to tell me that the guy stole it from Timbaland and Timbaland took it back.

And that's when I realized that people who argue over "producers" are just like ardent religious followers.

Most people into music to a degree that they recognize producers are a bit like zealots. For example, everyone goes on and on about "Paul's Boutique" and that was a record made by the Dust Brothers and the Beastie Boys, in that order, in my opinion. And, yeah, I'd argue over that.

I think there's just far more interesting producers out there than Timbaland. Pablo Bolivar is a name that should start popping up on people's radar sooner or later. That dude is sick. If he stumbles into mainstream production the results are going to be interesting.

I get a feeling that people are going to stop fawning over mass produced Autotune schlock and "roots" style production will get big.

Or I can at least hope that, anyway.

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: HappyHarryHardOn: Dr.Knockboots:

I'll be giving this album a good listening.

Here, knock yourself out. (new window).I suggest you listen to it with your mouth not pointing direcly at your monitor

And unlike some of the comments here, I agree with you about Timbaland. He can be fantastic. Love some of his stuff with Missy Elliot, pretty darn trippy... This, not so much

I made it 36 seconds. I have no words. Only:

I dunno, this Youtube comment (one of the few coherent ones I have ever seen) summed it up:

" listening to this is worse than eating an abortion "

I know nothing about this guy and came for the "vortex of suck" comments.
/leaves disappointed

Kliffoth!

you are not weak!

Dr.Knockboots: I love both Audioslave and Soundgarden.. and pretty much everything Chris Cornell touches.

I'm a fan of Soundgarden and Audioslave but I haven't been real impressed with Cornell's solo output. I'll check this out but based on reviews and comments I've read, I'm not buying it.

what about temple of the dog?

jaundice_joplin: Kliffoth!

you are not weak!


Why thank you!

/flex

Timbaland's plagiarism doesn't stop with Tempest. Timbaland has a habit of taking middle-eastern or Asian music from published artists, slowing it down, speeding it up, or running it through a vocoder, adding a very basic hip hop/trip hop beat, then calling the whole song his "original" new track which he then has an artist sing over.

He's done this over and over. He's been caught, and claims coincidence, "sampling" (here's a hint: If you take the whole song, or even just more than 30 seconds, that's not "sampling"; That's "stealing"), or any number of other lame things. He says it's all because the nerds are out to get him.

But it's unmistakable in some tracks. Search around YouTube and you'll find all sorts of comparisons between Timbaland's "new" tracks and music that was published years ago, by foreign artists.

"Acid Jazzed Evening" was just too damn easy to spot because he got lazy with that one and just stole it without making serious changes. He didn't even bother to use different instruments; He just played someone else's track, added a beat, and called it a day.

Artists who work with Timbaland INSTANTLY lose my respect. Any musician who supports that asshole is a traitor to musicians everywhere. As a published musician myself, I find his action to be the lowest acts of plagiarism in recent history, and I'm appalled that he is allowed to continue working, instead of being shunned by the music industry.

Timbaland is the very definition of EVERYTHING that is wrong with music today: A complete lack of talent, originality, and ethics.

I swear, I will buy every album published by whichever artist cockpunches this bastard and publicly calls him out as the plagiarist and hack that he is.

jaundice_joplin: what about temple of the dog?

I never got around to picking up that album although I have heard that one tune they like to play on the radio all the time. Probably worth a purchase, eh?

Chris Cornell has traded in his grungy flannel for a baggy Rocawear sweat shirt.

Yo, you gots to wear mo' bling, b. Holla!

frostus: I never got around to picking up that album although I have heard that one tune they like to play on the radio all the time. Probably worth a purchase, eh?

Brilliant from start to finish. I triple-guarantee you will like it.

In agreement with the "Timbaland ruins everything he touches" comment.

/Chris Cornell doesn't need phat beats, he needs a farking band behind him

Oh boy... that wasnt good.
his voice is awesome though

ZeroCorpse

Back when I was in high school (a long, long time ago), there was a guy who handed in for his music composition assesement a tape recording of a Commodore 64 theme tune from a game I owned.

At the time, I was a budding actual composer myself, and was absolutely shellshocked that someone could look at themselves in the mirror after literally taking a whole piece of music and passing the whole damn thing off as their own. I didn't say anything to the teacher (and in a galling move, she told the rest of us to look up to this bastard as an example of what we could achieve if we just tried harder!!!) as the guy was 6 feet tall and basically threatened everyone who looked at him.

Of course, one gets older and realises that a great deal of our society is based on taking complete credit for another person's work.

Still, doesn't make people who do that worth anymore than dogcrap covered in stale chewing gum.

Anyway, turns out that ripping off video game stuff is one of the easier ways people seem to find to not have to come up with anything themselves - which makes one wonder if they had any desire whatsover to do something for music's sake rather than cold hard cash.

Having had some success in music over the years, I have to say that 80 - 90% of people I've met who have been commercially successful were (as Zappa so rightly put it) only in it for the money.

Oh well.

Chris Cornell should listen to anything Mike Patton has done lately if he wants to get some pointers.

Idunno, I liked the album. Very different. Couldn't get into his earlier solo stuff, but I'm a huge SG/AS/TotD fan.