Homebrewing FTW

That's not "passive drinking" that's "Can't Handle It Guys"...

Semantics FAIL.

There's no question non-drinkers can suffer from people who can't handle it and do stupid things, but that's an entirely different set of circumstances than passive smoking.

"Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*

The health Nazis are coming for drinkers next. Hope you got your LOLs when they was just coming for smokers and fatties.

Our wonderful state government here in Washington has been protecting us from ourselves for quite some time.

/State liquor stores suck.
//Even the moonbats in California didn't fark up on that issue.

rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.

It's not like nobody told you someone would be coming for your favorite "vice" in the future, people.

When the Nazis came for my cheeseburgers, I remained silent

Then they taxed the hell out of my cigarettes, I remained silent

"The rationale is to stop us all drinking to the point where we make other people's lives hell by vandalising property, urinating and vomiting in the street, attacking people"

Fark off and die. All that stuff's already illegal. How 'bout instead of punishing every drinker we punish the asshats who break the law?

Maybe this will work, and cops will stop vandalizing security cameras and stealing cheez-its.

The_Sponge: rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.

Smoking. Every time you ask, I will tell you smoking. It's up to the individual who drinks to keep from driving drunk. It's not up to the people working at a bar to keep from inhaling your shiat-stick smoke, it's up to you to got the hell outside and quit inflicting your noxious smell on the 3/4 of the population that isn't retarded.

rmoody: Smoking. Every time you ask, I will tell you smoking. It's up to the individual who drinks to keep from driving drunk. It's not up to the people working at a bar to keep from inhaling your shiat-stick smoke, it's up to you to got the hell outside and quit inflicting your noxious smell on the 3/4 of the population that isn't retarded.


Yes, it's up to the individual to not drink too much, but when he's on the road, it affects other people.

Noxious smell??? I don't smoke cigarettes, and a good cigar doesn't stink.

Be mature about it, and allow bar owners to decide. Who says that bars should have to cater to your wishes?

Hell, my Mom voted against the smoking ban here in Washington, and she hates being around smoke.

FTFA: Personally speaking, I will weep into my pint if minimum prices are imposed, but it's a price that I, for one, am willing to pay for the common good.

CUT OUT HIS LIVER!

Seriously - that's almost as bad as the old "think of the children!" song and dance.

Also, this is good news for bootleggers and moonshiners.

rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


Agrees

The_Sponge: rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.
Death each year attributed to second hand smoke. 4500-7800
Death each year attributed to drunk driving. 16,885

OH, this is based on things happening across the pond. Well, good luck with that. We tried it here and it didn't work so well. You do not want to create a new 21st century version of the old bootleggers and prohibition-era gangsters. You folks over there go right ahead, we're having a hard enough time with our crack and pot dealers shooting one another already.

rmoody: The_Sponge: rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.

Smoking. Every time you ask, I will tell you smoking. It's up to the individual who drinks to keep from driving drunk. It's not up to the people working at a bar to keep from inhaling your shiat-stick smoke, it's up to you to got the hell outside and quit inflicting your noxious smell on the 3/4 of the population that isn't retarded.

I agree. Lets also ban driving until we have a vehicle that doesn't pollute my street with noxious emissions. Then we can move on to fat people who smell funny.

Well, the anti-smokers are out, taking big lungfuls of air and screaming about how smokers are slightly below child molesters and lawyers in the social hierarchy.

Meanwhile, the Weeners wins. Homebrewing wins. It's gotten decidedly more expensive in the past few years, but I can still brew beer for roughly 40% of what it costs in a store.

(said in my most snotty and condescending voice)

I brew the beer I drink.

/as to the article, what a stupid farking idea.

number_seven: Meanwhile, the Weeners wins


Is that a new sports team?

This is the future: anything not good for you is bad - hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat, bad language, child play, gasoline, uneducational toys, and anything spicy.

Welcome to San Angeles.

Finally! I can be the jerk and say, "Good now you drinkers will get what you deserve. You can hurt people driving after only two beers, blah, blah, blah"

I'm a smoker and a quit drinking for the most part long ago. But I still think it's unfair. They are using europe as an example for tax rates but we don't get NEARLY the number of programmes that Europe gets. And yes I agree heavy tax rates for individual groups are complete BULLshiat!

/Also little pissed that I was going to by a keg for my easter Barbeque (you know to be a good host).

//$80 for PBR

///Now it's BYOB

StaleCoffee: I agree. Lets also ban driving until we have a vehicle that doesn't pollute my street with noxious emissions. Then we can move on to fat people who smell funny.


It's funny, with the smoking ban in Nevada, you don't really notice it because it doesn't affect the casinos. However, smoking is banned in the casino bathrooms. That's right...you can shiat, piss on the floor, or fart to your heart's content, but God forbid you have a lit cigarette with you.

What a drunk person may look like.

fusillade762: What a drunk person may look like.


That's when I cut myself off...when the beer glasses start to bend and lean.

darrent83: Whomever it was that wrote that article I now hate with every fiber of my being

Let your hate flow and burn like a raging river of 100 proof vodka!

Darth Invictus: FTFA: Personally speaking, I will weep into my pint if minimum prices are imposed, but it's a price that I, for one, am willing to pay for the common good.

CUT OUT HIS LIVER!

Seriously - that's almost as bad as the old "think of the children!" song and dance.

Also, this is good news for bootleggers and moonshiners.


What a farking douchebag. There were fellow cigar smokers who said the same thing when SCHIP was passed. Maybe they'll mind when their favorite smoke shop goes out of business.

Passing a new sin tax is bad enough, but when it's passed during a recession, that's beyond retarded.

Frankiesuicide: The_Sponge: rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.
Death each year attributed to second hand smoke. 4500-7800numbers out of my ass
Death each year attributed to drunk driving. 16,885

Give me a website that shows that statistic, and not just the deaths from lung cancer.

Anecdotal: I never went to bars before I came to Arizona. After realizing there was a smoking ban here, I started going two or three times a week. Please tell, me more about how businesses are hurt by making them more attractive to 3/4 of the population, and less attractive only to 1/4 (and the .000001% that makes up the intarweb LOLbertarians).

rmoody: Frankiesuicide: The_Sponge: rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.
Death each year attributed to second hand smoke. 4500-7800numbers out of my ass
Death each year attributed to drunk driving. 16,885

Give me a website that shows that statistic, and not just the deaths from lung cancer.

Anecdotal: I never went to bars before I came to Arizona. After realizing there was a smoking ban here, I started going two or three times a week. Please tell, me more about how businesses are hurt by making them more attractive to 3/4 of the population, and less attractive only to 1/4 (and the .000001% that makes up the intarweb LOLbertarians).

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics-2005.html

Tax the drunken bastards - I'd say 75 cents a pint is fair.

That can pay for cops waiting outside ever bar with a blower and a supply of plastic zip-cuffs.

(I'll stand outside by the ashtray and laaaauuugh...)

Stupid enter button.

Link (new window) The drunk driving stats.

Link (new window)
Second hand smoking stats.

Frankiesuicide: www.alcoholalert.com

Great! Now find the one with the smoking statistics since I didn't have a quibble with the drunk driving stats.

rmoody: Anecdotal: I never went to bars before I came to Arizona. After realizing there was a smoking ban here, I started going two or three times a week. Please tell, me more about how businesses are hurt by making them more attractive to 3/4 of the population, and less attractive only to 1/4 (and the .000001% that makes up the intarweb LOLbertarians).


In other words, you were too afraid to go to a bar until the ban passed. Yeesh.

We're talking about adult establishments here. If a bar wants to ban smoking, fine. And if they would rather allow smoking, that's cool too.

Before the ban in Washington passed, a bar in Seattle decided to ban smoking on their own. They posted a poll on their website, and when 80% of the people voted yes on smoking ban, they went with it.

Isn't that the beauty of a free market?

rmoody: Frankiesuicide: The_Sponge: rmoody: "Butbutbut drinking is worse than smoking!" *blows huge cloud of smoke into someone's face*


What do you think is a bigger health/safety issue...drunk driving or second hand smoke?

It's soooo nice we have a smoking ban here in Washington, especially since it's meant to protect employees. Apparently, the skanks who work at my local dive bar who smoke a pack a day didn't get the memo.
Death each year attributed to second hand smoke. 4500-7800numbers out of my ass
Death each year attributed to drunk driving. 16,885

Give me a website that shows that statistic, and not just the deaths from lung cancer.

Anecdotal: I never went to bars before I came to Arizona. After realizing there was a smoking ban here, I started going two or three times a week. Please tell, me more about how businesses are hurt by making them more attractive to 3/4 of the population, and less attractive only to 1/4 (and the .000001% that makes up the intarweb LOLbertarians).

So, the smoking ban allowed you to become a drunk on top of being an asshole? Way to go smoking ban, the world doesn't have enough drunk assholes.

If they start taxing the crap (more so) out of alcohol I might just start making my own. It just seems like a PITA and time consuming. I am more interested in making hard liquor than beer (which I believe is illegal in America for some reason). Distilling cannot be that hard. Heck, even people in Appalachia can do it. I just started rolling my own cigarettes to get around the insane taxes.

On a side note, does anyone know what is a good cigarette roller? I understand their are injection and rolling machines. I am looking more at a rolling box which is a metal box that you just put tobacco and a paper in, close the lid, and magically a perfect cigarette emerges. Do those work? They look so cool and they are about $12.00.

Frankiesuicide: Stupid enter button.

Link (new window) The drunk driving stats.

Link (new window)
Second hand smoking stats.

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

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Guess what? You're still using only the lung cancer deaths.

rmoody: Anecdotal: I never went to bars before I came to Arizona.


When you go to Las Vegas, do you have a panic attack every time you walk into a casino?

Umm Link (new window)

Madd statistics for 2007 - 12,998 Drunk Driving Deaths

and Link (new window)

American Lung Association statistics for 2007

3,400 secondhand smoking deaths a year.

I've been smoke-free for four days now. fark Barack Obama and his "tax cut for 95% of Americans." First thing he did was raise cigarette taxes.

But, but, but... he was talking about income taxes, not sin taxes.

That's absolutely right. He's a scum-sucking tax and spender. His biggest trick will be convincing everyone that someone else is paying. Here's a hint: It's you who's paying. You and everyone you know.

Expect higher user fees. Expect higher gas taxes. Expect higher cigarette taxes. And BY THE LOVE OF GOD start using alcohol as the next cash cow.

Cigarette smokers are being taken advantage of. Finally, that piece of shiat Barack Obama made me quit smoking. Never mind that I liked smoking. Never mind that I did it in my own apartment and in my own car. That busybody couldn't leave me alone to do my own thing.

Fine, Barack Obama. You win. I quit smoking. Part of me hopes that every cigarette smoker quits.

Then they'll have to find some other group of people to pay for their precious SCHIP program. I don't even have kids, won't have kids. I don't even like kids, and my friends who are parents are starting to piss me off too. Yet somehow, I was picked to pay for SCHIP. farking ridiculous. And as my bonus "fark you," I'm not paying a damn thing.

I was content to pay the feds 39 cents a day for the rest of my life to smoke. But farking Barack Obama had to have more. He needed $1.01 a day. Here on day four, you could have had $1.36 from me. Instead, you get ZERO.

I hope nobody's surprised when my story becomes a microcosm of taxation under Barack Obama. He convinced voters that 5% of earners are going to pay for his great society. Eventually, these 5%-ers will get fed up and opt out of a system that's taking advantage of them.

The top 1% of wage earners already pay 37% of all income taxes. How high does Obama want that to go? 50%, 60%? At some point, these "rich" people are going to say "fark it" and hang it up.

Meanwhile, the Obama believers are looking to expand government. Obama will tell you someone else is paying, and he'll hide behind things like "when I said 95% of Americans would pay less, I was only talking about income taxes." At the end of his administration, every American will pay more to the feds than they paid at the beginning.

Please start punishing the drinkers. They've had it too good for too long. I suggest an additional $1 sin tax per can of beer, $5 per bottle of wine and $10 per liter of spirits. That will get us started.

Since liquor consumption is rather inelastic, we can raise the taxes again later if we want more money. The suckers will pay and pay and pay... Until eventually they reach their breaking point and stop drinking. Then we'll have to find something else that people enjoy, but it's a small price to pay since we're buying all this awesome big government.

/Withdrawing, irritable

thenateman


I'd like to suscribe to your newsletter.

/Angry herfer.

gplechuck: Umm Link (new window)

Madd statistics for 2007 - 12,998 Drunk Driving Deaths

and Link (new window)

American Lung Association statistics for 2007

3,400 secondhand smoking deaths a year.

Thanks, and he apparently didnt read my stats either, because it said most were contributed to heart disease not lung disease.

FMFA-The most exhaustive study completed to-date was
conducted by the California Environmental
Protection Agency. It estimated that between 4,500
and 7,800 deaths can be attributed to second-hand
smoke (most from heart disease) each year.

Also anyone get the feeling that the government is TRYING to get people to be less social? With drops in every type of social club the bars were the only thing still getting business. Now with higher taxes, recession, and smoking bans even they are suffering.

/You know bars played a major part in the starting of the American Revolution.

I'm surprised they haven't used the term "Passive shooting" yet.

The_Sponge: In other words, you were too afraid to go to a bar until the ban passed. Yeesh.

No, I didn't like smelling like an ashtray after two hours in a bar.

We're talking about adult establishments here. If a bar wants to ban smoking, fine. And if they would rather allow smoking, that's cool too.

Before the ban in Washington passed, a bar in Seattle decided to ban smoking on their own. They posted a poll on their website, and when 80% of the people voted yes on smoking ban, they went with it.

Isn't that the beauty of a free market?

But if the same people via government legislation do the same thing, ZOMG IT'S OPPRESSION!!1 Yeah, that totally makes sense.

In one important sense, passive drinking is very different from passive smoking -- most of the damage from passive drinking comes from activities that are already illegal (drunk driving, vandalism, assault, etc.). Maybe raising the fines for alcohol-related crimes would be a better solution than a general tax.

gplechuck: Umm Link (new window)

Madd statistics for 2007 - 12,998 Drunk Driving Deaths

and Link (new window)

American Lung Association statistics for 2007

3,400 secondhand smoking deaths a year.

umm, read three paragraphs down in your link.

Frankiesuicide: gplechuck: Umm Link (new window)

Madd statistics for 2007 - 12,998 Drunk Driving Deaths

and Link (new window)

American Lung Association statistics for 2007

3,400 secondhand smoking deaths a year.

Thanks, and he apparently didnt read my stats either, because it said most were contributed to heart disease not lung disease.

FMFA-The most exhaustive study completed to-date was
conducted by the California Environmental
Protection Agency. It estimated that between 4,500
and 7,800 deaths can be attributed to second-hand
smoke (most from heart disease) each year.

Every other source states over 20,000 deaths per year to heart disease. Learn to read, or stop arguing with wrong stats.

When the bar I work at raised prices, people just started tipping less. So I'm wondering if an increase in alcohol taxes, passed on to the consumer (in bars, anyway), would have the same effect.

But I'm glad my my bar non-smoking, otherwise I'd have to quit working there. I know it's very difficult for chronic smokers with lung problems to walk 40 feet out the door to have a cigarette outside, but they could use the exercise.

Frankiesuicide: gplechuck: Umm Link (new window)

Madd statistics for 2007 - 12,998 Drunk Driving Deaths

and Link (new window)

American Lung Association statistics for 2007

3,400 secondhand smoking deaths a year.

Thanks, and he apparently didnt read my stats either, because it said most were contributed to heart disease not lung disease.

FMFA-The most exhaustive study completed to-date was
conducted by the California Environmental
Protection Agency. It estimated that between 4,500
and 7,800 deaths can be attributed to second-hand
smoke (most from heart disease) each year.

Alright fine, let's just call it 8,000 deaths from smoking. Still less than drunk driving. And honestly I call suspect into both studies since the number of deaths directly influences how much money they get.

21,000 deaths a year or live in a free society. I know which choice I'd make.

rmoody: But if the same people via government legislation do the same thing, ZOMG IT'S OPPRESSION!!1 Yeah, that totally makes sense.

A blanket ban is far different from a case-by-case basis. It's some deciding for all, and yes, I know that's generally how things work in a democracy, but there's no reason they have to on a local level.

Take that bar in Seattle, for instance. The moment they passed their smoking ban, all the smokers would change bars. But you and others would start going to that bar. So as long as there's at least one that allows it, and at least one that doesn't, everybody's happy. Otherwise, a large group of people in both cases has been alienated.

rmoody: But if the same people via government legislation do the same thing, ZOMG IT'S OPPRESSION!!1 Yeah, that totally makes sense.


Why don't you ask the people in California who are pissed about Prop 8...after all, it was passed by a majority of the voters.

I'll be honest, I don't believe in the idea of "smoker's rights". For example, I just can't light up an Ashton at my workplace.

However, I do believe that bars should be allowed to make that choice.

Oh...and your example of how you go out more often because of the ban? Well, I go out less often because of the ban in Washington. In fact, I rarely go to Ruth's Chris or Daniel's Broiler anymore because they had to shut down their cigar lounges. Nevermind the fact that they were in separate rooms, with $50K air filtration systems. Plus, the other customers were never offended, because you couldn't smell smoke unless your nose was 6" from the door.