I blame contraception. And sanity.

Gee. I wonder if the forcing of beliefs upon people when humans naturally fight against anything pushed upon them has anything to do with it.

Way to be, fundies. You've done the opposite of what Jesus wanted for quite some time now. Thanks for ruining it.

Vanetia: Gee. I wonder if the forcing of beliefs upon people when humans naturally fight against anything pushed upon them has anything to do with it.

Way to be, fundies. You've done the opposite of what Jesus wanted for quite some time now. Thanks for ruining it.

THIS.

If the US wanted more christians, they would open the border with Mexico.

If I were an atheist, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed that this is the decade in which my "religion" is prospering. It didn't happen fifty years ago when we were in a mad Sputnik race and it was cool to know how to use a slide rule and know how nuclear fission worked.

Nope, it's happening now, when John Stewart is how people get their "news," you can become President by avoiding any talk about your policies & spewing meaningless platitudes, and "everybody knows" you have to unplug your cell phone to save the planet from dying.

Anyway, Christianity will survive. Watching fellow Christians being burned at the stake is a pretty powerful incentive to stop being one...and Christianity survived out of that pretty well. What's really being killed off here is a reason to vote for secularist forces. All through the 1980's we were supposed to be terrified that the Moral Majority was going to turn the country into a theocracy; what happened? You can by all the pornography and kinky-toys you want, but you can't pray in school. Christianity didn't seek a monopoly, it didn't even seek popularity, and it doesn't need either one.

By the way, hating Christianity makes just as much sense as hating Islam or Buddhism.

Bukharin: If the US wanted more christians, they would open the border with Mexico.

Ummm, more white Christians, please. Let's not get hysterical over this.

mkfreeberg: you can't pray in school.

Anyone can pray in school.

The truth shall set you free.

mkfreeberg: HUURRRR

That troll made less sense than usual, even for you. I award you 0/10.

Christianity has had its day, remember the 4th-17th centuries? Remember people being burned for not believing exactly what the guy in charge believed? Yeah, fark that.

And bits of them being ripped off with red-hot pincers? That sort of thing? That was Christianity in its heyday.

Bukharin: mkfreeberg: you can't pray in school.

Anyone can pray in school.

hogwash. praying in school is punished by suspension. and before you say "citation needed," citate yourself first.

mkfreeberg: You can by all the pornography and kinky-toys you want, but you can't pray in school.

Neither assertion is true, many states still have weird "blue" laws and you can pray in class. Please think about who told you these lies. I suspect they had something to gain by having you believe them to be true.

Christians have been making up stuff for two thousand years.

Livingroom: Bukharin: mkfreeberg: you can't pray in school.

Anyone can pray in school.

hogwash. praying in school is punished by suspension. and before you say "citation needed," citate yourself first.

Here are your citations, suh.
Now how about yours?

Livingroom: Bukharin: mkfreeberg: you can't pray in school.

Anyone can pray in school.

hogwash. praying in school is punished by suspension. and before you say "citation needed," citate yourself first.

Intrigued, I went and Googled that for a few minutes. The only thing I saw was the event in Washington where a group of students had been asked not to block a high traffic area repeatedly and, when punished, holered "I'm a persecuted Christian!".

As I said to mkfreeberg, ask yourself who had something to gain by having you believe this.

mkfreeberg: If I were an atheist, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed that this is the decade in which my "religion" is prospering. It didn't happen fifty years ago when we were in a mad Sputnik race and it was cool to know how to use a slide rule and now how nuclear fission worked.

Invented by Jews.

/Just sayin'.

The times are tough and the donation plate is feeling a bit light these days. It's helpful to convince your flock that they're being persecuted out of existence if you're looking to keep donations at a strong level.

Take away their tax-exempt status and let them survive in the free market.

That'll be fun.

meh, historically we're due for another religious revival sometime soon. Right now we're in the historical lull (last one supposed ended 1980) Great Awakenings (new window)

Its possible the awakening may be atheism this time, but I doubt it.

Ni!: Christianity has had its day, remember the 4th-17th centuries? Remember people being burned for not believing exactly what the guy in charge believed? Yeah, fark that.

To be fair, that's people using religion as a tool to oppress, and quite the opposite of what xianity is supposed to be about.

Katie98_KT: meh, historically we're due for another religious revival sometime soon. Right now we're in the historical lull (last one supposed ended 1980) Great Awakenings (new window)

Its possible the awakening may be atheism this time, but I doubt it.

Actually, we are in a religious revival. Everywhere in the world, except the West, people are becoming more religious. It's eventually going to spread to the West through Islam, most likely.

It only makes sense.

The decline in Christians, as a percentage of the population, really kicked into high gear once Barack HUSSEIN Obama took office.

Then, he basically began having visas and greencards issued to every farking terrorist Muslim in the known world so they can come over here.

His vision of the U.S. as a Muslim Theocracy is slowly coming to light, as Christians (and even the farking Christian-wannabe Baptists) are being turned into the minority.

Good job voting for this Terrorist, America.

Tatsuma: Actually, we are in a religious revival. Everywhere in the world, except the West, people are becoming more religious. It's eventually going to spread to the West through Islam, most likely.

They'll get over it. Sure, we'll have the occasional aberration, but the overarching trend through the past millennium or so seems fairly clear. Now, I'm not a particular of Chairman Yang's personal philosophy, but he was spot on with regards to this issue:

If our society seems more nihilistic than that of previous eras, perhaps this is simply a sign of our maturity as a sentient species. As our collective consciousness expands beyond a crucial point, we are at last ready to accept life's fundamental truth: that life's only purpose is life itself.

Chairman Sheng-ji Yang
"Looking God in the Eye"

It doesn't matter what religion people are or are not.

I still don't have a job.

Biological Ali: They'll get over it.

I don't think so, because I don't think religion is there to stay, and in fact the more society becomes nihilistic, the more people are going to go toward it.

mkfreeberg: By the way, hating Christianity makes just as much sense as hating Islam or Buddhism.

Non-religious people don't hate anyone. I don't think the same can be said for the religious people.

mkfreeberg: Watching fellow Christians being burned at the stake is a pretty powerful incentive to stop being one...and Christianity survived out of that pretty well.

Man, you must live in a rough town. But I have to ask; would Jesus watch his fellow Christians being burned at the stake and not act to stop it? Shame on you for your inaction.

Oh, and by the way, it was Christians who've done all the burning at the stake throughout history...of non-Christians. Please take your ignorant revisionism elsewhere.

Plus this:

Procedural Texture: mkfreeberg: Watching fellow Christians being burned at the stake is a pretty powerful incentive to stop being one...and Christianity survived out of that pretty well.

Man, you must live in a rough town. But I have to ask; would Jesus watch his fellow Christians being burned at the stake and not act to stop it? Shame on you for your inaction.

Oh, and by the way, it was Christians who've done all the burning at the stake throughout history...of non-Christians. Please take your ignorant revisionism elsewhere.

Plus this:

That graph shows your ignorance of history and the contributions the Christian monks made to keeping the knowlege of the Roman Empire alive.

The left's stance seems to be that White Christians are stupid, but black and Hispanic ones are ok.

Religious people who actually have faith go the route of mother theresa and desmond tutu when they want to make a big difference. They don't go the route of politics and faith healing.

Di Atribe: Non-religious people don't hate anyone. I don't think the same can be said for the religious people.

... that's not true

Procedural Texture: Oh, and by the way, it was Christians who've done all the burning at the stake throughout history...of non-Christians. Please take your ignorant revisionism elsewhere.

Plus this:

Nice racist diagram showing that only Europeans ever advanced science after the Egyptians.

And no, I wasn't really saying this is a racist graph, but it sure is simplistic and retarded.

Smackledorfer: Religious people who actually have faith go the route of mother theresa and desmond tutu when they want to make a big difference. They don't go the route of politics and faith healing.

... how does that work with other religions exactly?

mkfreeberg: I were an atheist, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed that this is the decade in which my "religion" is prospering. It didn't happen fifty years ago when we were in a mad Sputnik race and it was cool to know how to use a slide rule and know how nuclear fission worked.

Nope, it's happening now, when John Stewart is how people get their "news," you can become President by avoiding any talk about your policies & spewing meaningless platitudes, and "everybody knows" you have to unplug your cell phone to save the planet from dying.

Anyway, Christianity will survive. Watching fellow Christians being burned at the stake is a pretty powerful incentive to stop being one...and Christianity survived out of that pretty well. What's really being killed off here is a reason to vote for secularist forces. All through the 1980's we were supposed to be terrified that the Moral Majority was going to turn the country into a theocracy; what happened? You can by all the pornography and kinky-toys you want, but you can't pray in school. Christianity didn't seek a monopoly, it didn't even seek popularity, and it doesn't need either one.

By the way, hating Christianity makes just as much sense as hating Islam or Buddhism.

well first off, pretty much all of history has shown that burning people doesn't stop them from doing much of anything except breathing. a prime example is witchcraft: witches were burnt for their sorcery many years ago, yet Ann Coulter is still a Witch. therefore burning is a fairly mild incentive to change religion. at best it will just piss people off. by the way, who last burnt christians for their religion? I mean apart from other christians?

Tatsuma: And no, I wasn't really saying this is a racist graph, but it sure is simplistic and retarded.

Most opinions tend to be.

SchlingFocker: It only makes sense.

The decline in Christians, as a percentage of the population, really kicked into high gear once Barack HUSSEIN Obama took office.

Then, he basically began having visas and greencards issued to every farking terrorist Muslim in the known world so they can come over here.

His vision of the U.S. as a Muslim Theocracy is slowly coming to light, as Christians (and even the farking Christian-wannabe Baptists) are being turned into the minority.

Good job voting for this Terrorist, America.

To much WHARR and not enough GRRBL Schling.

This got the "Scary" tag? You know what's scary? Trying to share "reality" with religious nut-jobs.

With information obtained more easily, many people are finding facts that helps refute the "magical sky fairy" sense of things. One can only hops these people breed faster than the mouth-breeders who "believe" otherwise.

nvmac: Vanetia: Gee. I wonder if the forcing of beliefs upon people when humans naturally fight against anything pushed upon them has anything to do with it.

Way to be, fundies. You've done the opposite of what Jesus wanted for quite some time now. Thanks for ruining it.

THIS.

THIS AGAIN

Perhaps the country is merely becoming smarter:

"...it means they believe no established religion has a monopoly on fairy tales"
Sounds right!

CtrlAltDelete: Most opinions tend to be.

Touché.

I don't really care if people are christians or not. Just stop trying to codify your religious beliefs in law, assholes!

Some examples: Bans on gay marriage and not teaching evolution in schools.

Well, first remove God from the schools. Then the town square. Then the media.

For those of us old enough to remember the Johnny Cash show always closing with a gospel number, or Elvis singing Peace in the Valley on Sullivan, it shows how successful our opponents have been in removing God from the daily culture of American life.

Sad. And scary.

Tatsuma: Katie98_KT: meh, historically we're due for another religious revival sometime soon. Right now we're in the historical lull (last one supposed ended 1980) Great Awakenings (new window)

Its possible the awakening may be atheism this time, but I doubt it.

Actually, we are in a religious revival. Everywhere in the world, except the West, people are becoming more religious. It's eventually going to spread to the West through Islam, most likely.

unlikely, religious revivalism is closely linked to social status, especially in islam. while many of the muslims that come to the US from nations with high degrees of religiosity run bodegas or gas stations, they must have been fairly educated
and well off in order to get to the US in the first place, making it unlikely for them to be highly religious to the extent of their home countries. if anything, The US will become similar to europe in religious attitudes.

Selector: Perhaps the country is merely becoming smarter:

Now the thread gets interesting.

NewportBarGuy: Take away their tax-exempt status and let them survive in the free market.

That'll be fun.

Please let this happen soon. Either that, or I hope I have a great idea for a new religion.

Copernicus and Darwin, FTW.

To argue that there is an uncaused-cause God? A perfectly reasonable philosophical stance.

To argue that the Creator of a decillion cubic light years of Universe focuses his attentions upon the Earth, and also strongly preferred a tribe of sheep-herders to bring his Good News to the goat-herders, yak-herders, and llama-herders (at swordpoint, generally)? Um, yeah, that's gonna take just a little bit of evidence, sorry.