Two-thirds of people in Missouri doesn't equal 86% of people in Louisiana.

Or maybe it does. Hmmm.

It all comes down to who you ask and how you ask them.

Would you like a red light cameras and a cookie?

A red cookie and a camera light.

Hilarious shiat. I love this country.

Yes, my dog wants speed cameras.

But, but, j-j-just slow down! Speeders! Scofflaws! My sister's roommate's friend ate Mentos and drank Diet Coke and was hit by a red light runner and she exploded! If you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't be concerned! 9-11!

DON.MAC: It all comes down to who you ask and how you ask them.

Would you like a red light cameras and a cookie?

Why yes, I'd like a cookie, and sure, I'll have an abortion.

Do you not want a redlight camera to not not ticket you if you speed through it?

I keep promising myself that one day I'll toss back a few too many beers and Cool Hand Luke a dozen or so of those things.

Well, I guess just typing about it won't get me there...

Another example of failed democracy.

Cake or death or a red light camera?

Lesson: polls produced by the manufacturers of red light cameras cannot be trusted.

JWideman: Lesson: polls produced by the manufacturers of red light cameras cannot be trusted.

Lets just get rid of all law enforcement and put everybody on the honor system.

Corporate sponsored research might be biased? I call shenanigans.

I remember back when I heard 'red light' that I'd wonder if it was marking a decent sex shop... not a traffic camera location.

If you know you're caught...

/yeah, it's me

Boris S. Wort: Cake or death or a red light camera?

That's a trick question. Everyone knows the cake is a lie.

theoneontheleft: I keep promising myself that one day I'll toss back a few too many beers and Cool Hand Luke a dozen or so of those things.

Well, I guess just typing about it won't get me there...

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Question 6: Would you like automated vehicle speed control systems to monitor and issue violations OR would you prefer a daily digital prostate exam without lubrication?

we can just vote on things like that? cool. lets vote to ban speed limits and red lights period

i like red light cameras because they stop some of the arseholes. Used to be major accidents every week near my job -- not anymore. Used to be a line of 3 or 4 cars farking up the flow of traffic because they just had to speed through a red 'left turn' signal, ignoring the 'yellow' when they were several cars back. Not anymore. The 'iffy' cases suck, and are deserving of review - but most of the time the people caught deserved to be caught.

Now, to do something about shiatty cops ignoring traffic laws.

I still want cameras that automatically ticket jackasses who turn without signaling. Or hell, I'd settle for human cops who actually ticket them instead of just ignoring it.

peon36: Boris S. Wort: Cake or death or a red light camera?

That's a trick question. Everyone knows the cake is a lie.

There will be cake.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: i like red light cameras because they stop some of the arseholes. Used to be major accidents every week near my job -- not anymore. Used to be a line of 3 or 4 cars farking up the flow of traffic because they just had to speed through a red 'left turn' signal, ignoring the 'yellow' when they were several cars back. Not anymore. The 'iffy' cases suck, and are deserving of review - but most of the time the people caught deserved to be caught.


Please give us some references mister civil engineer.

TripSixes: peon36: Boris S. Wort: Cake or death or a red light camera?

That's a trick question. Everyone knows the cake is a lie.

There will be cake.

That is a lie. And you know it.

ninetywt: Two-thirds of people in Missouri doesn't equal 86% of people in Louisiana.

Or maybe it does. Hmmm.

I doubt it though.
/one-third minority Missourian

I want a sunroof and a passenger who knows how to use a recoilless rifle. Then everyone else can do what they want.

what if people had sirens and flashing lights and could write up cops for ignoring traffic laws?

that'd be fun

theoneontheleft: I keep promising myself that one day I'll toss back a few too many beers and Cool Hand Luke a dozen or so of those things.

You're gonna eat fifty of them hard-boiled?

I wonder why people hate red-light and speed cameras more:

Because they lack that warm human touch and experience of getting pulled over when getting ticketed?

Because they are worried about faulty equipment or shady operators falsly accusing them?

Or because they work... and are cheap enough to pretty much take away the ability to look for cops and make one's own "common sense" exceptions to the law. ie it changes things from: keep your eye open and don't do it at stupid times, to: don't do it or you will get ticketed - no exceptions, regardless of traffic or time of day/night.

I suspect for most camera-haters it has more to do with the no exceptions aspect than any high-principle of law enforcement and civil theory.

theorellior: theoneontheleft: I keep promising myself that one day I'll toss back a few too many beers and Cool Hand Luke a dozen or so of those things.

You're gonna eat fifty of them hard-boiled?

What we've got here, is a failure to communicate.

Wow...I think this is the first thing that the city of Sulphur has ever gotten right.

Chaghatai

Or how about real-life exceptions? Like when the light fails to cycle and you get stuck. Happened to me twice this year in my car and more times than I can count on my motorcycle.

The world is gray, machines aren't.

Chaghatai: I wonder why people hate red-light and speed cameras more:

Because they lack that warm human touch and experience of getting pulled over when getting ticketed?
Because they are worried about faulty equipment or shady operators falsly accusing them?
Or because they work... and are cheap enough to pretty much take away the ability to look for cops and make one's own "common sense" exceptions to the law. ie it changes things from: keep your eye open and don't do it at stupid times, to: don't do it or you will get ticketed - no exceptions, regardless of traffic or time of day/night.

I suspect for most camera-haters it has more to do with the no exceptions aspect than any high-principle of law enforcement and civil theory.

Well, the red-light cameras have been proven in many studies( Australian gvt come to mind) that it tends to reduce "t-bone" collisions at intersections, but raise the number or rear-end collisions. And sometimes the vehicule rear-ending is a truck, with dangeous consequences. Overall, damage is about the same, injuries are about the same, and it would have just been more efficient to just put on a longer yellow. Nobody actually looks at the yellow light duration until a camera gets there. And many cases reported on that site show how many more jurisdictions are banning these things altogether.

So most of the time, it's just a question of seeing the government adding another revenue flow but not doing the simpler things.

zelet: Or how about real-life exceptions? Like when the light fails to cycle and you get stuck. Happened to me twice this year in my car and more times than I can count on my motorcycle.

The world is gray, machines aren't.

Or like the time I got a ticket making a perfectly legal right hand turn on a red light? Ticket was thrown out, but I was made guilty before proven innocent.

Hm. 66% claimed, versus 14% actual result; difference 52%.

I wonder if that could be used by a clever lawyer to start a class-action libel suit.

res ipsa dixit: Another example of failed democracy.

We slaves yearn for our shackles.

Chaghatai: I wonder why people hate red-light and speed cameras more:

Because they lack that warm human touch and experience of getting pulled over when getting ticketed?

Because they are worried about faulty equipment or shady operators falsly accusing them?

Or because they work... and are cheap enough to pretty much take away the ability to look for cops and make one's own "common sense" exceptions to the law. ie it changes things from: keep your eye open and don't do it at stupid times, to: don't do it or you will get ticketed - no exceptions, regardless of traffic or time of day/night.

I suspect for most camera-haters it has more to do with the no exceptions aspect than any high-principle of law enforcement and civil theory.

Go ahead, start work on the Self-aware Colony (new window)

Well, those people who voted against the red light cameras must have something to hide.

/sarcasm

cmb53208: Well, those people who voted against the red light cameras must have something to hide.

/sarcasm


Nyet! No need to be sarcastic! It is the truth! Send the NKVD to their houses.

It would have been more than 86% but the eligible voting pool is small due to incarceration.

Chaghatai: Or because they work... and are cheap enough to pretty much take away the ability to look for cops and make one's own "common sense" exceptions to the law. ie it changes things from: keep your eye open and don't do it at stupid times, to: don't do it or you will get ticketed - no exceptions, regardless of traffic or time of day/night.

I suspect for most camera-haters it has more to do with the no exceptions aspect than any high-principle of law enforcement and civil theory.


Having seen plenty of red light, speed, and DUI enforcement threads here on Fark, it seems most Farkers think they should be allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want, with absolutely no regard for the safety of others.

AntiNorm: Chaghatai: Or because they work... and are cheap enough to pretty much take away the ability to look for cops and make one's own "common sense" exceptions to the law. ie it changes things from: keep your eye open and don't do it at stupid times, to: don't do it or you will get ticketed - no exceptions, regardless of traffic or time of day/night.

I suspect for most camera-haters it has more to do with the no exceptions aspect than any high-principle of law enforcement and civil theory.


Having seen plenty of red light, speed, and DUI enforcement threads here on Fark, it seems most Farkers think they should be allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want, with absolutely no regard for the safety of others.

Having seen plenty of red light, speed, and DUI enforcement threads here on Fark, it seems many Farkers are perfect drivers that yearn to put their jackboots on the throats of the rest of us.

I lived in a town that virtually everyone blew through red lights, even the cops. You know what to do about that? LOOK AROUND before going through an intersection.

Admittedly, it's hard for industry pollsters to come up with proper figures when their pants are on fire.

It's for your safety and convenience.

Speed cameras only become less corrupt if you use britain's system - requiring two pictures to judge the offense. This way, the rate of false positives is reduced and you can't claim just being over the line when the second picture shows you mid-intersection..

//plus, as mythbusters showed, a rocket car solves all the problems.
//sans the giant fireball when the rocket car hits..pretty much anything.

Chaghatai: I wonder why people hate red-light and speed cameras more:

Because they lack that warm human touch and experience of getting pulled over when getting ticketed?

Because they are worried about faulty equipment or shady operators falsly accusing them?

Or because they work... and are cheap enough to pretty much take away the ability to look for cops and make one's own "common sense" exceptions to the law. ie it changes things from: keep your eye open and don't do it at stupid times, to: don't do it or you will get ticketed - no exceptions, regardless of traffic or time of day/night.

I suspect for most camera-haters it has more to do with the no exceptions aspect than any high-principle of law enforcement and civil theory.

And guess what is happening in the cities around here that discover the cameras are not generating the projected cash flow...

I am opposed to law enforcement being focused on income generation instead of safety. If it was truly a safety issue they'd keep the cameras even at a loss. That is not the case.

MIguy: Lets just get rid of all law enforcement and put everybody on the honor system.

Nah, Dodge City, Tombstone and Deadwood show you need some law enforcement. The trick is you only need just enough and not so many damned laws.

It also helps to be vigorous in the application of the limited law enforcement you have. No wishy-washy bullshiat. A man kills another man without just cause then you hang the bastard