Walking them "without no leash" sounds rather legal.

"What's going to happen when I don't have money for food?" Wirth asked.

Take out the HOA board and the state will feed you in prison. Win-win.

Yes, the HOA is being ridiculous, but he's still a dick for not walking his dog on a leash.

He's also a douche for watching the fines mount for not using the leash and his reasoning for doing so is "'cause I don't wanna!"

Which is why I'd never ever live anywhere there's a HOA. EVER.

He's also being very dumb about it, too.

dickkead: Walking them "without no leash" sounds rather legal.
Legal, how about simply wrong. Sometimes even if you proofread stuff slips by.

The guy in the article is a putz. The deed restrictions say use a leash, and since this is in my county I know that a county ordinance requires a leash, the guy just wants to be a dick and not follow the rules. He was fined $1000 and he could have paid that but he decided to violate the rules over and over and bring a lawsuit against the association.

I hate homeowners associations because they foster tiny dictators and I would never live in such a community. However you can't buy a house in one unless you sign something saying you have read the rules and agree to them. His wife did, and he is just farking her over by continuing to be a dick. A grand in legal fees, or the principle of walking your dog without a leash. I an going to have to call him an asshat.

Never move into a home with a HOA.

2wheeljunkie: Never move into a home with a HOA.

I'm glad you live in an area where this is possible. The rest of us aren't so lucky.

Seems like the people who complain about HOAs are generally the same people whose dogs shiat in your yard and who park cars on their lawns.

dickkead: Walking them "without no leash" sounds rather legal.

...and done.

7of7: Seems like the people who complain about HOAs are generally the same people whose dogs shiat in your yard and who park cars on their lawns.

I am never picking up dog crap. Sorry, not something I will ever do. It is absurd. However I don't let my pets crap where I would have to pick it up.

I don't care if other people let their dog crap on my lawn and leave it there. My neighbors know that and I've told them if it bothers them they can blast it under a shrub with the hose if they want.

For decades nobody picked dog crap up, what is the fascination with picking it up now. Geez, if it is on the sidewalk, kick it into the gutter. You would be better walking the dog where it can crap in peace and not on a sidewalk or a playground.

7of7: Seems like the people who complain about HOAs are generally the same people whose dogs shiat in your yard and who park cars on their lawns.

My dogs shiat in my yard and my car is parked in my driveway, and I still think HOAs suck dick and should be abolished. They are just vehicles for powerless short dicked busybodies to run someone else's life. If you don't like your neighbors, GTFO.

TheYeti: Yes, the HOA is being ridiculous, but he's still a dick for not walking his dog on a leash.

He's also a douche for watching the fines mount for not using the leash and his reasoning for doing so is "'cause I don't wanna!"

Exactly all phases of THIS.

I read the headline and somehow knew it had something to do with a homeowners association.

Sure enough, I look and see... homeowners association.

I'm never moving into a house where one is, and I'll find a neighborhood where there isn't one. They're still out there, and I'll do it even if I have to buy the land and build the house myself.

bronyaur1: TheYeti: Yes, the HOA is being ridiculous, but he's still a dick for not walking his dog on a leash.

He's also a douche for watching the fines mount for not using the leash and his reasoning for doing so is "'cause I don't wanna!"

Exactly all phases of THIS.

Seconded.

feckingmorons: I hate homeowners associations because they foster tiny dictators and I would never live in such a community. However you can't buy a house in one unless you sign something saying you have read the rules and agree to them. His wife did, and he is just farking her over by continuing to be a dick. A grand in legal fees, or the principle of walking your dog without a leash. I an going to have to call him an asshat.

Ditto.

HoA=Satan he's only doing the Lord's work.

Talon: I'm glad you live in an area where this is possible.

So am I. All it takes is one asshole that has nothing better to do than f*ck with her flower beds, and you're screwed. God help you if you have a disagreement with that person.

2wheeljunkie: So am I. All it takes is one asshole that has nothing better to do than f*ck with her flower beds, and you're screwed.

Step 1 - Public Pay Phone
Step 2 - 911
Step 3 - "Flowerfag has a grow op send SWAT"
Step 4 - ???????????????
Step 5 - PROFIT

Sorry, but he (or his wife who bought the house) signed the document saying they wouldn't do such things.

Both sides seem to be dicks, but he brought this upon himself...

I used to walk my dog without no leash. I had a deal with that dog - you stay out of trouble, and you get to walk free. First ticket you get me, you're on a leash.

I never got the ticket, even though it was a leash-law town.

/dog was cool. RIP

Of course, if it was a white lab, no one would have had a problem...

/gottverdempt racist Floridians.

Meanwhile, Wirth's frustration has escalated. He said that he would shoot and kill one of the board members if things don't go his way.

"I am not going to let them ruin me and my wife like this without standing up to them," Wirth said.

He argued that he has the right to do so under the state's Stand Your Ground Law, which basically says someone is justified in the use of deadly force to defend themselves if they believe they're in imminent danger.

Sounds like guy is a proper dick.

HOAs suck, but this idiot sucks more. He ain't got no case.

Maybe they ain't done not gone one!



without no leash? So they actually had one?

waiting4godot: Meanwhile, Wirth's frustration has escalated. He said that he would shoot and kill one of the board members if things don't go his way.

"I am not going to let them ruin me and my wife like this without standing up to them," Wirth said.

He argued that he has the right to do so under the state's Stand Your Ground Law, which basically says someone is justified in the use of deadly force to defend themselves if they believe they're in imminent danger.

Sounds like guy is a proper dick.

Yeah, I'm fairly clear the law was not intended to allow you to kill the homeowners association board. This guy needs a mental exam.

The people who signed the contracts with HOA's should get do-overs like the people who can't pay their mortgages.

This is why people go crazy in Binghamton.

feckingmorons: I hate homeowners associations because they foster tiny dictators...

Funny, I hate dog ownership for the same reason :)

I guess people have to have dominion over something...

waiting4godot: Meanwhile, Wirth's frustration has escalated. He said that he would shoot and kill one of the board members if things don't go his way.

"I am not going to let them ruin me and my wife like this without standing up to them," Wirth said.

He argued that he has the right to do so under the state's Stand Your Ground Law, which basically says someone is justified in the use of deadly force to defend themselves if they believe they're in imminent danger.

Sounds like guy is a proper dick.

Pretty much eliminated the small pittance of sympathy I had when I read that. He sounds as intelligent as he is rational.

feckingmorons: waiting4godot: Meanwhile, Wirth's frustration has escalated. He said that he would shoot and kill one of the board members if things don't go his way.

"I am not going to let them ruin me and my wife like this without standing up to them," Wirth said.

He argued that he has the right to do so under the state's Stand Your Ground Law, which basically says someone is justified in the use of deadly force to defend themselves if they believe they're in imminent danger.

Sounds like guy is a proper dick.

Yeah, I'm fairly clear the law was not intended to allow you to kill the homeowners association board. This guy needs a mental exam.

Plausible scenario:

HoA Director comes to the door with yet another notice. Homeowner fears that the next visit may include the police. Next time Director guy shows up, there are in fact police cars passing by (for no reason at all, and certainly not related to Douchebag McDogWalker).
Douchey DogWalker then fears that he is in imminent danger for his life, i.e. going to jail for an extended period of time.
Dude grabs his sawed-off (placed neatly beside the door for just such an occasion).
Dogwalker McGee removes the head of the HoA Director with the shotgun.

Was he in imminent danger? Probably not.
Was he in his mind? Who knows?

Aw hells no! You's walkin' yo' dog without no leash?!

"without no leash"
"without no leash"
"without no leash"

I guess I can write that many more times but my brain will still hurt.

ZAZ: "What's going to happen when I don't have gots no money moneys for food?" Wirth asked.

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The guy is a farking real estate broker. This means that he ought to know better than the rest of us the many ways in which a HOA can stick it to people. He knowingly and willingly continued violating the rule. He's a tool and deserves foreclosure. Every choice has consequences, and he made this choice, fully informed, multiple times.

The guy's a farking real estate broker! He *has* to know the value of HOA's - at least as they relate to home values - yet he wants to be a douche and think he's above their rules? You'd think that because his paycheck is directly related to a home's value (ie, commission based) he'd be doing everything he could to keep the vales up. What a douche.

/Douche.
//Douche.

Sounds like there's a simple solution. Get rid of the dog. Either side, any way you want. It doesn't really matter. The dog is the problem, make the problem go away.

daychilde: Which is why I'd never ever live anywhere there's a HOA. EVER.

Out here, the leash law is also a city/state law IIRC, so the city would fine you for it as well.

/bad owners with non obedient dogs spoiled it for everyone else

/classic case of "the rules don't apply to me, nyah nyay"

Normally, I'm very much anti-HOA but in this case I'll make an exception and stand by the HOA (even though it makes me feel dirty).

The man in question, Wirth, flagrantly violated the rules (which honestly, is not that outrageous, leash laws are by and large a good thing). He does this repeatedly and the HOA fines him. Now, personally, $1000 seems a little steep but then again, this guy owns a house valued at $380,000, so I guess if you don't make it that high, then it won't really sting and thus won't serve as a deterent. Wirth refuses to pay, the HOA, per thier rules and the agreement that Wirth has with them, slap a lien on the house. He continues to not pay, and the HOA forecloses (I will say, laws regarding HOA's ought to be rewritten to where HOA's can't foreclose on a property until the property owner owes the HOA at least half the current market value of the house in fines/liens to the HOA. For small fry stuff like the fine in this article, they ought to be required by law to go to small claims court first.) The man fights the foreclosure, and rather than shelling out the $1000 and making it all go away, he balloons the total up to $40,000. Court order him to pay, he refuses, and actually threatens peoples lives using probably the most tortured twisting of logic to define the lawsuit against him as some kind of 'imminent threat' to his life.

The guy is a grade-A dick of the utmost order. And in this one instance, I hope the HOA buries him.

Oh--I am laffin my a-- off.!! We ain't got no grammar police!!

No HOA here and I don't park my car on the lawn. but I can if I want to. This guy is being a dick about things but I agree that HOA's need to DIAF twice.

/If I feel like setting my yard on fire, I'm well within my right

This guy didn't sign the agreement. So how can a HOA that he doesn't belong to fine him? How can the HOA fine a person that has signed the agreement and is not breaking the rules?

I know that there is likely a provision in there that allows her to be fined.


If I go into a neighborhood that has an HOA (that I don't live in) while walking my dog with no leash can they fine me too?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: feckingmorons: waiting4godot: Meanwhile, Wirth's frustration has escalated. He said that he would shoot and kill one of the board members if things don't go his way.

"I am not going to let them ruin me and my wife like this without standing up to them," Wirth said.

He argued that he has the right to do so under the state's Stand Your Ground Law, which basically says someone is justified in the use of deadly force to defend themselves if they believe they're in imminent danger.

Sounds like guy is a proper dick.

Yeah, I'm fairly clear the law was not intended to allow you to kill the homeowners association board. This guy needs a mental exam.

Plausible scenario:

HoA Director comes to the door with yet another notice. Homeowner fears that the next visit may include the police. Next time Director guy shows up, there are in fact police cars passing by (for no reason at all, and certainly not related to Douchebag McDogWalker).
Douchey DogWalker then fears that he is in imminent danger for his life, i.e. going to jail for an extended period of time.
Dude grabs his sawed-off (placed neatly beside the door for just such an occasion).
Dogwalker McGee removes the head of the HoA Director with the shotgun.

Was he in imminent danger? Probably not.
Was he in his mind? Who knows?

Going to jail is not imminent fear for your life. You must believe that someone is trying to kill you right then.

Sawed off shotguns are NFA weapons, if he has a license for an NFA weapon a comment that silly could and most probably would result in its revocation.

As I said before, the guy needs a mental exam. I doubt the HOA will be dropping by, it will probably be the Sheriff serving the papers.

Pick your battles. The original fine seems a bit onerous.

Meanwhile, in my city.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2009/04/police_shoot_dog_lose_i t_ in_ca.html

Police shoot dog, lose it in canyon

San Diego police shot a pit bull Friday afternoon in University City, then spent almost two hours looking for the dog, which ran into a canyon.

A police helicopter circled and broadcast public announcements to nearby residents, and officers on foot searched the canyon off Governor Drive, but did not find the dog.

Police said the dog threatened someone at a park after 5 p.m., then charged an officer who fired at the animal. Police believed the dog was wounded, but ran into a canyon covered in thick brush. The search was called off about 7 p.m. Area residents were warned to be aware of a possibly wounded vicious dog on the loose

My last HOA was great. Got our yards mowed and fertilized, took care of the streets and sewage system, took care of our trash pickup, and told the crazy lady she couldn't paint her house bright purple. All for fifty bucks a month. Hell, I would have paid that just for the lawn care.

And other than that they left us completely alone, except for having a couple bbq's with free beer each year.

angst178n: This guy didn't sign the agreement. So how can a HOA that he doesn't belong to fine him? How can the HOA fine a person that has signed the agreement and is not breaking the rules?

I know that there is likely a provision in there that allows her to be fined.


If I go into a neighborhood that has an HOA (that I don't live in) while walking my dog with no leash can they fine me too?

The homeowner is responsible for her invitees.

If you go into a neighborhood and allow your dog to run loose on private property you can be charged with a criminal offense. So, no they could not fine you but you could get arrested. If you stay on the street you are probably OK, but why would you bother.

angst178n: This guy didn't sign the agreement. So how can a HOA that he doesn't belong to fine him? How can the HOA fine a person that has signed the agreement and is not breaking the rules?

I know that there is likely a provision in there that allows her to be fined.


If I go into a neighborhood that has an HOA (that I don't live in) while walking my dog with no leash can they fine me too?

Growing up, I lived in a covenanted community. Even though my parents were the ones who signed the contract, if I broke the rules they got fined. I would imagine that his scenario is one of the following:

-She may have signed it, but he was added to the deed after the fact;
-He lives at the house, so he's bound by the rules;
-She's the one getting fined.

Douchey DogWalker then fears that he is in imminent danger for his life, i.e. going to jail for an extended period of time.

LOLWUT?

Meanwhile, Wirth's frustration has escalated. He said that he would shoot and kill one of the board members if things don't go his way.

"I am not going to let them ruin me and my wife like this without standing up to them," Wirth said.

He argued that he has the right to do so under the state's Stand Your Ground Law, which basically says someone is justified in the use of deadly force to defend themselves if they believe they're in imminent danger.

Wirth's comments were reported to the Tarpon Springs police, which followed up.

For all the possible stupid HOA rules, the dog leash rule is not one of them. But this guy has gone as far as death threats? sounds like he is a douche.

Talon: 2wheeljunkie: Never move into a home with a HOA.

I'm glad you live in an area where this is possible. The rest of us aren't so lucky.

Uh, yes you are.

CruJones: My last HOA was great. Got our yards mowed and fertilized, took care of the streets and sewage system, took care of our trash pickup, and told the crazy lady she couldn't paint her house bright purple. All for fifty bucks a month. Hell, I would have paid that just for the lawn care.

And other than that they left us completely alone, except for having a couple bbq's with free beer each year.

You had me right until the last. What's it to you if she paints her house bright purple?