"Despite their fame, they've never made an effort to cash in. People believe in them. That's why they're still there."

Even though they have not made a good album since 1988 and everything after Justice was mass produced garbage to make money.

I read the headline and was intrigued.

I clicked the article and I loled.

Christ, what's with the Metallica fellating on Fark this week?

So, I guess "cashing in" doesn't include suing Napster users.

Metallica died with Cliff.

LOL WUT. I mean, I like Metallica and all, but c'mon. They totally sold out.

AHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA

*wheeze*

*sniffle*


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Alright somebody post the Armani picture

Ahahaha, I don't know anyone to whom even old Metallica is still musically relevant, except maybe the hardcore/thrash scene these days, and that's been sufficiently transformative and their aesthetic sure as hell has nothing to do with Metallica's, ever.

Cash in now, honey.

And the guys who wrote THAT line are a lot more deserving of recognition than the aforementioned band.

Dear Mr. Kramer:

Let me show you how this is WRONG.

I always remember Lar's quote, we didn't move closer to the mainstream, the mainstream moved closer to us.

Ok...


And why do none of these articles about the RnR HoF ceremony say anything about Jeff Beck being inducted as well? The big news tonight is that Jimmy Page is inducting him and jamming with him later on in the night.

RagingLeonard: Metallica died with Cliff.

Because saying it once in every Metallica thread isn't often enough.

Metallica died with Cliff.

can someone explain to me why people care about the rock n roll hall of fame? is there a legitimate reason to care about it, or is it like the grammies and just retarded nonsense?

Is Rush in the rnrhof yet?

Yeah, nothing they've done is relevant lately. Except Death Magnetic out-sold the last U2, Coldplay and Radiohead CDs.

Best damn CD they've put out since Justice. Too bad it took 20 years.

Never cashed in?

My Sirius radio says different.

Never thought April 15th would be such a happy day.

Metallica's done nothing lately except make itself the RIAA's collective biatch.

I read the headline, saw the tag, and thought that no-one in their right mind could possibly say that about Metallica with a straight face, and still knew that it would be them as I clicked the link.

Despite having made a few excellent albums in the eighties (and Black Album in 1991), I really can't see anything worthwhile about Metallica since then. Load was the beginning of their downfall, and despite trying hard to do something like Metallica from twenty years ago might have on Death Magnetic, they just ended up being the prime example of how shiatty an album can sound when you have a producer who thinks that the average fan is unable of adjusting his volume, and rather does you the favour of turning every knob, dial and slider all the way to painfully loud. They've stopped being relevant a long time ago, and they are now only a sad running gag about RIAA.

FruitlandGenerics: Yeah, nothing they've done is relevant lately. Except Death Magnetic out-sold the last U2, Coldplay and Radiohead CDs.

Best damn CD they've put out since Justice. Too bad it took 20 years.

I've heard three different songs from Death Magnetic on my local heavyish rock station. Apparently they keep picking the suck songs from the album... which are the good ones?

/and if you say "The Day That Never Comes Song That Never Ends," I'm driving to wherever it is you live, and I'm going to punch you right in the throat.

Cornwell: I read the headline, saw the tag, and thought that no-one in their right mind could possibly say that about Metallica with a straight face, and still knew that it would be them as I clicked the link.

Despite having made a few excellent albums in the eighties (and Black Album in 1991), I really can't see anything worthwhile about Metallica since then. Load was the beginning of their downfall, and despite trying hard to do something like Metallica from twenty years ago might have on Death Magnetic, they just ended up being the prime example of how shiatty an album can sound when you have a producer who thinks that the average fan is unable of adjusting his volume, and rather does you the favour of turning every knob, dial and slider all the way to painfully loud. They've stopped being relevant a long time ago, and they are now only a sad running gag about RIAA.

THIS!

/Except for the Black album part, that album sucked too...

I have liked every Metallica album, from Kill 'Em All to Death Magnetic. I don't like all of them for the same reason, but I understand that musicians tastes and styles will change or evolve over time. While St. Anger sounded like shiat, and Death Magnetic certainly sounds like the band is gasping to return to where it used to be, I still like them.

That said, they totally sold out. I own Guitar Hero: Metallica. That game is an obvious gesture of dedicated fandom by the developers, and its a really good game. Still, your name doesn't get on any games, movies, toys or anything else other than records without your selling out of your musical ideals.

peart2112: Is Rush in the rnrhof yet?

Nope.

No Rush, no Kiss, No Monkees... I know of the three, Rush is the most talented, but all three did something specific for Rock and pop music, and are being shut out.

Hell, I'd say Metallica is the Kiss of their generation (as far as being sell-outs), and they're making it in. Even Madonna is in the hall, and she's nowhere near being Rock.

So fark it. the Rock Hall is a farce anyway.

FirstNationalBastard: Hell, I'd say Metallica is the Kiss of their generation (as far as being sell-outs), and they're making it in. Even Madonna is in the hall, and she's nowhere near being Rock.

Are you kidding? Kiss never pretended to have integrity... the whole exercise was an excuse to get Gene and Paul laid, and Peter and Ace wasted...

Kinda hard to sell out under those terms.

/and this is from a fan

Ace Frehley's Ghost: FirstNationalBastard: Hell, I'd say Metallica is the Kiss of their generation (as far as being sell-outs), and they're making it in. Even Madonna is in the hall, and she's nowhere near being Rock.

Are you kidding? Kiss never pretended to have integrity... the whole exercise was an excuse to get Gene and Paul laid, and Peter and Ace wasted...

Kinda hard to sell out under those terms.

/and this is from a fan

I'm also a fan, and I know Kiss never pretended to have integrity, but this last decade has found Gene and Paul somehow managing to have even less integrity than anyone could have thought possible. I think they're the center of a giant black hole that sucks all artistic integrity into the center of the vortex and spits out Kiss caskets and condoms.

But, this is about Metallica, and I still consider the whole Napster thing to seem like something Gene Simmons would've done. I've gotten past it, and don't have an automatic, kneejerk anti-Metallica reaction like many here still do, but that Napster thing seemed, to me, like Lars was trying to rival Gene Simmons on the douchebag scale.

FirstNationalBastard:
I'm also a fan, and I know Kiss never pretended to have integrity, but this last decade has found Gene and Paul somehow managing to have even less integrity than anyone could have thought possible. I think they're the center of a giant black hole that sucks all artistic integrity into the center of the vortex and spits out Kiss caskets and condoms.

For what it's worth, I seem to recall reading somewhere (on the INTERNET, so I know that it must be true) that one of that main guys behind the RNRHOF stated that Kiss would never be inducted to the hall of fame as long as he had anything to say about it.

But, this is about Metallica, and I still consider the whole Napster thing to seem like something Gene Simmons would've done. I've gotten past it, and don't have an automatic, kneejerk anti-Metallica reaction like many here still do, but that Napster thing seemed, to me, like Lars was trying to rival Gene Simmons on the douchebag scale.

The main thing that the Napster episode did was make me take a long look at a band that I had spent years (since Cliff died) defending to friends of mine who had quit listening to them. I defended them for Load, which had little going for it, and I defended them for Reload, which had even less. Cover albums and live concerts with an orchestra don't count, the black album is the last thing that they did that was even listenable, and Justice is the last decent thing that they recorded.

"We had saved some money so we did a little demo
which we called 'No Life Till Leather' and we passed
it around to our friends and they passed it around to
theirs and all of a sudden we were getting letters from
all over Europe because the band was being listened
to over there. We were all freaked out."

- James Hetfield, Metallica from an interview in October 1996

Waaa, justice album, waaa, cliff burton, waaaa they suckxors11!!!1.

Yeah, whatever, you still read the article didn't you.

Jim_the_Fierce: Yeah, whatever, you still read the article didn't you.

No.

There is no comparison between Kiss selling out and Metallica selling out. There is no Metallica toilet paper, caulking gun, coffin, etc.. like Kiss has. Kiss have always been whores and they make no bones about it. Metallica are whores(Guitar Hero/Action Figure sets/etc..), well not Kiss style whores anyway, but will deny it with their last breath.

I don't care what anyone says, you put any song from the first 4 albums on and you totally forget about all the crappy songs or silly things Metallica has done since.

Call them sell outs if you want but for that reason alone they deserve all the fame and fortune they have.

FirstNationalBastard: peart2112: Is Rush in the rnrhof yet?

Nope.

No Rush, no Kiss, No Monkees... I know of the three, Rush is the most talented, but all three did something specific for Rock and pop music, and are being shut out.

Hell, I'd say Metallica is the Kiss of their generation (as far as being sell-outs), and they're making it in. Even Madonna is in the hall, and she's nowhere near being Rock.

So fark it. the Rock Hall is a farce anyway.



/hot like Hetfield @ Armani

UpTheIrons: There is no comparison between Kiss selling out and Metallica selling out. There is no Metallica toilet paper, caulking gun, coffin, etc.. like Kiss has. Kiss have always been whores and they make no bones about it. Metallica are whores(Guitar Hero/Action Figure sets/etc..), well not Kiss style whores anyway, but will deny it with their last breath.

You're right. On the merchandising level, Kiss are the champion whores, beaten only by Disney creations.

But is it better to be a whore, acknowledge it, and embrace it, or be a whore, deny it, but still accept that 50 bucks thrown on the bed after someone has wiped their dick on your curtains?

Aw, hell, who cares? I ain't farking any of them, so I'm not getting money out of it. Both bands have great early albums (depending on your musical preference), and that's good enough.

I just hope someone hits Ulrich with a rotten egg at the ceremony.

Everything after And Justice is crap. I liked Black when it came out but as I matured, and actually listened to lyrics for Enter Sandman I realized they were crap. And of course they kicked me off Napster so Lars could but another piece of million dollar art. Fark you, Metallica. I will never buy another album on principal alone.

And to think that the last album was successful after getting back to your roots? Isn't that selling out in and of itself? I mean if you want to put out music to the likes of St Anger then you should have stuck with what you know.
Fark you, Metallica.

Everything after And Justice is crap.

Metallica died with Cliff

They totally sold out.

Here you go. Every Metallica thread in a nutshell. Can we all move on with our lives now?!

slyde: My Sirius radio says different.

Never thought April 15th would be such a happy day.

Hahaha, same. I have e-mailed SiriusXM twice now, asking if Metallica was giving them payola to coincide with the timing of the new Guitar Hero.

In principle, I don't understand who decides that "hey, decreasing the diversity of a station from one genre to ONE ARTIST benefits our listeners!" That was always a Sirius MO, but I won't say that XM wouldn't have done it on their own with the way they both kept losing money and crying about bandwidth.

But for as much as I love most of the styles they play on that station (what is it called now, "XL Metal"?) I will never enjoy Metallica or Megadeth. I mean they play some garbage too like Cradle of Filth, and I wouldn't normally go out of my way to download the new Lamb of God but it's okay.

cpete430: Everything after And JusticeKill 'em All is crap.

Metallica died with Cliff

They totally sold out.

Here you go. Every Metallica thread in a nutshell. Can we all move on with our lives now?!

I'll do you one better.

vapor_trail: Everything after And Justice is crap. I liked Black when it came out but as I matured, and actually listened to lyrics for Enter Sandman I realized they were crap. And of course they kicked me off Napster so Lars could but another piece of million dollar art. Fark you, Metallica. I will never buy another album on principal alone.

And to think that the last album was successful after getting back to your roots? Isn't that selling out in and of itself? I mean if you want to put out music to the likes of St Anger then you should have stuck with what you know.
Fark you, Metallica.

I like Load.

//dat's what she said

I'm surprised that people like "Kill Em All". Out of the ones I own(S&M and earlier), it's my least favorite.

But I wouldn't call them the 'gold standard for contemporary metal'. Even Judas Priest fits that one better.

Contents of a Space Wasp's stomach: "Despite their fame, they've never made an effort to cash in. People believe in them. That's why they're still there."

Even though they have not made a good album since 1988 and everything after Justice was mass produced garbage to make money.

Death Magnetic was really awesome actually.

/not a metallica fan
// all nightmare long video is amazing

They may suck now, but



there's never been a better metal album than that.

/they really do suck now, though

Nowadays, I can only listen to KEA and RTL without getting bored.
They have more money than me, so...fark 'em.

Feels more like an unlikely tag than a fail.

slyde: Never cashed in?

My Sirius radio says different.

Never thought April 15th would be such a happy day.

This! A month of THIS... Not one person I know thought that the all Metallica channel replacing Liquid Metal was a good idea...

bands with actual talent, like for example king crimson, are not in the hof... but metallica is? the rock and roll hall of fame has no credibility and i blame jann wenner.

/metallica died with cliff
//they sold out
///hetfield should stop trying to sing.

I don't see why the Fail tag, I mean Dethklok is the gold standard in metal, and...wait, he's talking about Metallica?

jonohull: And why do none of these articles about the RnR HoF ceremony say anything about Jeff Beck being inducted as well? The big news tonight is that Jimmy Page is inducting him and jamming with him later on in the night.

Check the article now.

I like Metallica. A lot. And fark y'all. Granted, Load and Reload were pretty weak. St. Anger was a bit better. Death Magnetic is awesome.

And yes, Lars waged a public and ill-received campaign against file-sharing. Good on him for it, too. Goods and services have never been free, freetards.