I think his autocratic drone personality helped. Not to mention his record-setting government spending increase while governor of MA.

torch: I think his autocratic drone personality helped. Not to mention his record-setting government spending increase while governor of MA.

And the fact that people like me can't look at him without shaking their heads, rolling their eyes and muttering, "Douchebag."

I'd venture to guess that those who hold the highest positions in every religion are far less religious than their own followers.

BunkyBrewman: I'd venture to guess that those who hold the highest positions in every religion are far less religious than their own followers.

You have no idea.

Ummm... I wouldn't have voted for him regardless of his religious views. Can't really speak for anyone else.

Benevolent Misanthrope: torch: I think his autocratic drone personality helped. Not to mention his record-setting government spending increase while governor of MA.

And the fact that people like me can't look at him without shaking their heads, rolling their eyes and muttering, "Douchebag."

Which has little to do with his religion, though, I suppose one could argue, that his religion helped shape him into the douchebag that I loathe.

Romney lost the nomination because of a complete lack of charisma and flip-flopping constantly.

There are also fewer Mormons than there are atheists. It can't exactly help.

On the other hand, I'm not willing to buy that a white, ridiculously wealthy, experienced, classic politician-good-looking guy from a prominent and well connected political family has more overwhelming systemic bias to overcome than an African-American man with less executive experience, from a single-parent family, with no political connections apart from the ones he forged himself, and who faced numerous religious obstacles of his own in an election.

No matter how much talent you have at administration, you still have to connect with voters, in the primary and the general election. I don't doubt Romney ran up against some anti-Mormon prejudice, but we have to note he was also running for a party that has for years fired up the base by using prejudice to their advantage. And Romney was just fine campaigning on prejudice against other people when he adopted the GOP line on almost every issue.

nomination, yes. presidency, keep dreaming.

Having seen what it's like when Mormons get control of the government somewhere, I'd have to say yes.

/generally nice people
//unless they have power over you

He's his own cardboard cutout. That's why he lost.

Plus the whole "Man weren't Bush's policies farking sweet?" syndrome 9 out of 10 of the GOP candidates seemed to have.

Yeah it his religion not when asked how his sons were helping in the war effort (or something) his response was "they are helping me get elected".

I would bet most people would feel more comfortable with Romney as treasury secretary instead of Geithner.

/Who let the dogs out?
//woof

flavor of the month: nomination, yes. presidency, keep dreaming.

Agreed. The dems were going to win unless they REALLY farked it up, hence the ultra-shocking (in my estimation) opportunity for Obama.

1.yes and 2. I don't vote for known animal abusers who aren't even remorseful. I imagine other people felt the same way.

/probably would not have voted for him anyway though

His religion was the only thing remotely interesting about him. It's like the Republicans decided to go with a Kerry-type this time, but they wanted one who looked like he could have been a dad in a 50's sit-com. And, really, if Ward hadn't been a little hard on the Beaver, who would remember him?

Why do mormons hate America?

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I would bet most people would feel more comfortable with Romney as treasury secretary instead of Geithner.

/Who let the dogs out?
//woof

I could give two shiats about who "most" people think should be secretary of the treasury. Mostly because they know fark all about what the job entails, let alone who is qualified for it.

Only in that it seems most Mormons are assholes

/If you're still a Mormon after Prop 8, yes, you are an asshole.

Not that he had any chance of getting the African American vote, this certainly didn't help (new window)

However, he never got an answer to his question of "Who let the dogs out?"

Benevolent Misanthrope: torch: I think his autocratic drone personality helped. Not to mention his record-setting government spending increase while governor of MA.

And the fact that people like me can't look at him without shaking their heads, rolling their eyes and muttering, "Douchebag."

I don't think that has stopped us from electing douchebags before. The evangelicals hate Mormons. Their own bigotry is why he lost.

Calvin Coolidge: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I would bet most people would feel more comfortable with Romney as treasury secretary instead of Geithner.

/Who let the dogs out?
//woof

I could give two shiats about who "most" people think should be secretary of the treasury. Mostly because they know fark all about what the job entails, let alone who is qualified for it.

What "most" people think is the standard by which we elect most of our government. Wouldn't it be great to have someone in that office who exudes confidence about our economy instead of someone who is open to a world currency replacing the dollar?

I don't think the evangeliduhs will ever let the GOP nominate a mormon (or a catholic like Jindal for that matter). But he had a lot of other problems. No principles and sold out on every one of his prior positions. And of course there's too many dog lovers in the country. And even if you're not a dog lover, you're probably not too keen on animal abuse.

There are good and thoughtful Republicans that have a vision of America as a functional democracy fostering peace and prosperity worldwide through a set of basic doctrinal principles that, though strict and somewhat oversimplified, are by no means draconian or vapid. There's no way these people were ever going to vote for a total tool like Romney.

There are Republicans that have little more to guide their views than a misguided sense of nostalgia for a time that never really existed, and any number of fears that create in them a defensive mindset that can only be engaged with rhetoric and slogans that promise safety and demand obedience. There's no way these people were ever going to trust a transparent flip flopper like Romney

About 25% of the party are religious, racial, and sexual bigots that respond enthusiastically to the subtext of racial, sexual and religious bigotry that's been injected into the party's brand for the last 30 years and there is no way that those people are ever going to vote for a Mormon like Romney.

There are Republicans that are strict opportunists, treating the party like a massive fraternity and using its network of wealthy and powerful individuals to expand their own sphere of influence. These people gave their money, their votes, and their time to Romney.

wolvernova: The evangelicals hate. Mormons.

that sentence seemed too long.

All I know is that the republicans who stayed neutral in the Huckabee/Romney race were punished by having their skin turned dark.

I wouldn't have voted for Romney. His arrogance was enough for me to dislike him, sans everything else.

/Mormon

Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: I wouldn't have voted for Romney. His arrogance was enough for me to dislike him, sans everything else.

/Mormon

Obama is President and you call Romney arrogant? The only thing I dislike about Romney is that he looks like a used car salesman.

And exactly what were we voting for?
The man changed his mind on every core belief except his religion.

Are you for gay rights?
Do you believe in universal health care?
Are you taking credit for the Massachusetts health care plan?

The guy was yes one minute and no the next.
I'm sorry, I'm looking for a guy who knows what he believes in.
I can live with a guy who will acquiesce to the will of the people but that wasn't the game Romney was playing.

This is a new age, this information age, and Mitt still thought (as John McCain did) that he could say anything, then later claim he didn't say it, and somehow get away with it.

Sorry, that train has left the station.
And with it went your chances at being the first Mormon president.
Good luck in whatever career you choose to haunt next.

godofusa.com: Joey JoJo Junior Shabadoo: I wouldn't have voted for Romney. His arrogance was enough for me to dislike him, sans everything else.

/Mormon

Obama is President and you call Romney arrogant? The only thing I dislike about Romney is that he looks like a used car salesman.

The only thing you dislike about Mitt Romney is that he looks like a used car salesman?

That's it?

Why would I even consider listening to your opinion going forward if that is the biggest criticism you can level at Mitt Romney?

I did not vote for Obama and I can hand you a laundry list of things I don't like about the guy - and Obama is head and shoulders above Mitt Romney in any metric I would choose to evaluate them both on.

Benevolent Misanthrope: And the fact that people like me can't look at him without shaking their heads, rolling their eyes and muttering, "Douchebag."

Yet one more strike against me every having a political career...

Douchebaggery is a religion?

Master of the Flying Guillotine: Douchebaggery is a religion?

If I had known that, I would have applied for tax-exempt status YEARS ago...

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I would bet most people would feel more comfortable with Romney as treasury secretary instead of Geithner.

Sadly, though, that wasn't going to be the case. McCain's top two economic advisors were Phil Gramm and John Thain (of Merril Lynch toilet fame). I'm more comfortable with Geithner than either of those foxes in the henhouse, thanks.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: Calvin Coolidge: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I would bet most people would feel more comfortable with Romney as treasury secretary instead of Geithner.

/Who let the dogs out?
//woof

I could give two shiats about who "most" people think should be secretary of the treasury. Mostly because they know fark all about what the job entails, let alone who is qualified for it.

What "most" people think is the standard by which we elect most of our government. Wouldn't it be great to have someone in that office who exudes confidence about our economy instead of someone who is open to a world currency replacing the dollar?

Congratulations on being as stupid as Michelle Bachmann. It's obvious that both of you listen to the same retards on the radio.

I'd vote for a Mormon before I'd vote for a Scientologist and a Scientologist before a Jehova's Witness.

Signed, the bottom of the barrel.

Not really. But had he been an evangelical, he would have easily won. Being an EV is the only reason why Huckabee won a few states.

The reason McCain won the Republican nominee was because of independents voting in primaries. Had only Republicans voted in early primaries, Romney would have won the early states, and kept that momentum to get the overall nod.

Romney probably wouldn't have defeated Obama, but the Republican party would have looked MUCH better after the election.

helix400: Not really. But had he been an evangelical, he would have easily won. Being an EV is the only reason why Huckabee won a few states.

The reason McCain won the Republican nominee was because of independents voting in primaries. Had only Republicans voted in early primaries, Romney would have won the early states, and kept that momentum to get the overall nod.

Romney probably wouldn't have defeated Obama, but the Republican party would have looked MUCH better after the election.

That's a rather odd statement to make... McCain consistently outpolled Romney in a head-to-head matchup against Obama. In fact, back when Clinton was winning the nomination, Romney was the only one Obama could beat.

WTF? It's 2009. I'm surprised religion's still a factor in anything.

Besides, I still wanna' know why Mitt Romney drove down the road for 12 hours with the family pet tied to the roof of the car.

That alone right there oughta' disqualify him from anything ever again.

Romney's religion shouldn't upset anyone. We've all seen and heard Obama's pastor and close friend, Wright.

captainktainer: McCain consistently outpolled Romney in a head-to-head matchup against Obama. In fact, back when Clinton was winning the nomination, Romney was the only one Obama could beat.

Romney was an big unknown in the general public. Even more so than Obama. So polls with Romney in them had a large "who is this guy?" factor.

biglot: Besides, I still wanna' know why Mitt Romney drove down the road for 12 hours with the family pet tied to the roof of the car.

The story goes that they took the dog on vacation a lot, and the dog for some reason loved climbing on the roof of the car and relaxing. So Mitt did the next best thing. He built the dog a little doggie windshield, and the kennel on the roof so he could stay on the roof while traveling. It worked well. Until the dog got uneasy and developed diarrhea.

helix400: The story goes that they took the dog on vacation a lot, and the dog for some reason loved climbing on the roof of the car and relaxing. So Mitt did the next best thing. He built the dog a little doggie windshield, and the kennel on the roof so he could stay on the roof while traveling. It worked well. Until the dog got uneasy and developed diarrhea.

why, it's almost as if there's a difference between your dog loving to climb up on the roof of the car (sounds believable. really) and doing so while traveling on an interstate.

heap: why, it's almost as if there's a difference between your dog loving to climb up on the roof of the car (sounds believable. really) and doing so while traveling on an interstate.

I dunno, I see some pretty crazy stuff on the freeway.

A few years ago while driving on an interstate through Knoxville, I saw a guy on a motorcycle with a small dog sitting on his lap. No restraints. Fur blowing in the wind. And the dog was curled up taking a nap.

Mormons didn't vote for Romney because of his religion.

helix400: I dunno, I see some pretty crazy stuff on the freeway.

and i see some pretty crazy stuff on the intertrucks.

henceforth, i shall refer to you as 'stuff'.

No. His empty-suitedness and overly pliable change-with-the-breeze politics doomed him.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I would bet most people would feel more comfortable with Romney as treasury secretary instead of Geithner.

/Who let the dogs out?
//woof

I bet that you are wrong.

Two words: MAGIC UNDERPANTS (new window)

No, his autocratic personality, flip flopping on issues, denial of past positions, hypocrisy and general neo-fascist tendencies did and will again.

heap: and i see some pretty crazy stuff on the intertrucks.

henceforth, i shall refer to you as 'stuff'.

I have no idea what you're talking about.



So here's a painting of Sarah Palin with pancakes on her head.