FTA:"Bass culture is Jamaica's gift to the world"

Come again?

That's because it's hard to hear bass coming from a small device from a few feet away. Or at all.

Get better phones:

"John Lennon was a right coont, but he still did great things." ... "It's important we keep our heroes real. Jesus was a geezer."

I like when Brits call everyone coonts

hillbillypharmacist: That's because it's hard to hear bass coming from a small device from a few feet away. Or at all.

when I take the subway I have to roll my eyes at all those kids listening to music coming from their shiatty phones with all the noise around them. I mean, What's the point?

Myself, I refuse to even listen to music with earphones. I feel music should be loudly booming from speakers, disturbing neighbors and requiring your full attention. Not a background distraction to go from point A to point B.

I know, I know. I take music waaaay too seriously

aiiee: Get better phones:

Still not going to help when the source is crap.

I feel bad for many of you who have no idea what it is like to actually *listen* to music. To hear things within a composition that you've never known were there is part of the enjoyment.

Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio. You'll hear the song, but you won't *hear* the song.

/goes home to listen to some dvd-a, SACD, DTS, etc...
//oooohhh.... ahhhhhhh.....

BunkyBrewman
I feel bad for many of you who have no idea what it is like to actually *listen* to music. To hear things within a composition that you've never known were there is part of the enjoyment

Hmm. Deliberately mystic or just patronising? The force is strong in this one.

BunkyBrewman: aiiee: Get better phones:

Still not going to help when the source is crap.

I feel bad for many of you who have no idea what it is like to actually *listen* to music. To hear things within a composition that you've never known were there is part of the enjoyment.

Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio. You'll hear the song, but you won't *hear* the song.

/goes home to listen to some dvd-a, SACD, DTS, etc...
//oooohhh.... ahhhhhhh.....

You do realize that, as most of us use it, 'audiophile' is a derogatory word.

\ER-4 earphones work just fine, and not all music on iPods is data-compressed.

BunkyBrewman: aiiee: Get better phones:

Still not going to help when the source is crap.

I feel bad for many of you who have no idea what it is like to actually *listen* to music. To hear things within a composition that you've never known were there is part of the enjoyment.

Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio. You'll hear the song, but you won't *hear* the song.

/goes home to listen to some dvd-a, SACD, DTS, etc...
//oooohhh.... ahhhhhhh.....

Lovely. Now it's a techno-snob thread. Way to go, Eugene.

/huddles around 8-track system

Bass culture is Jamaica's gift to the world and technology is, kind of, ruining that"

GIFT? I live in West Indian neighborhood, full of wonderful, friendly, generous people who are constitutionally incapable of locating the volume knob. This is fine at 3:00 PM, not so much at 3:00 AM. Next time, give flowers, it makes for happier neighbors.

Oh, and any listening to music on their cell phone deserves to be beaten with a ball peen hammer...I mean the person and the phone.

/Touched a nerve.

Gimme back that Jamaican culture,
Gimme that culture.
Gimme back that Jamaican culture,
Gimme that culture.

BunkyBrewman: aiiee: Get better phones:

Still not going to help when the source is crap.

I feel bad for many of you who have no idea what it is like to actually *listen* to music. To hear things within a composition that you've never known were there is part of the enjoyment.

Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio. You'll hear the song, but you won't *hear* the song.

/goes home to listen to some dvd-a, SACD, DTS, etc...
//oooohhh.... ahhhhhhh.....

SACD is dead.

Kyosuke: not all music on iPods is data-compressed.

Doesn't matter, 90% of music produced since the mid 90s has had so much dynamic compression on it you could cut diamond with it. Google "The Loudness War" to see why biatching about MP3 ruining modern music is like biatching that the ice was made with tap water on a piss-covered snow cone.

Winktologist: Google The Loudness War


Thanks for that. Extremely interesting

Horrific violence against homosexuals is another fine gift to the world from Jamaica.

BunkyBrewman: Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio.

I guess it will horrify you to learn that I can't tell the difference between CD and cassette.

This is, to this day, my favorite Jamaican contribution:

(the soundtrack, I have yet to see this movie)

/big booty hoes
//hump with it

Television legend Don Knotts: "They don't do things that way anymore. This is the Age of Science Know-How, electronal marvels."

Winktologist: Kyosuke: not all music on iPods is data-compressed.

Doesn't matter, 90% of music produced since the mid 90s has had so much dynamic compression on it you could cut diamond with it. Google "The Loudness War" to see why biatching about MP3 ruining modern music is like biatching that the ice was made with tap water on a piss-covered snow cone.

Some of us don't listen to Top 40. Your "90%" figure is way too high. 90% of sales, maybe, but not 90% of music produced.

BunkyBrewman: aiiee: Get better phones:

Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio. You'll hear the song, but you won't *hear* the song.



Satellite Radio? My Sirius sounded like crap compared to a CD. Both it and the XM had awful sound compared to OTA radio, or even a decently encoded MP3.

I don't get the earbud fascination either. You don't need to have the gigantic broadcaster's headphones, but the tinny earbud things are silly.

As for bass, if our music doesn't have any I wish the morons who install subwoofers in their trunks and blast them at 2am would learn this soon.

FTA:

It's disturbing when I see kids on buses, listening to music on their phones, and it's just going: tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, with no bass. Bass culture is Jamaica's gift to the world and technology is, kind of, ruining that. Bass is sexy. Women respond to bass. That said, dubstep is one of the most exciting musical forms out there. There's always something going on.

Damn. He sort of gives a shout out to Renegade Soundwave and likes dubstep. Can I mow his lawn? No charge.

'Music legend Don Letts'

Yeah, riiiiiiight.

csi_yellowknife:
I don't get the earbud fascination either. You don't need to have the gigantic broadcaster's headphones, but the tinny earbud things are silly.

Because they're portable. They fit in your pocket easily. Of course I prefer actual headphones but I can carry my earbud headphones with my in my pocket along with my MP3 player.

BunkyBrewman:


Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio. You'll hear the song, but you won't *hear* the song.


You know satellite radio is compressed just like an mp3, right?

For fark's sake, hardly any audiophile out there could detect a difference between 320 kbps MP3s versus a CD.

Yes, you can go slap a 12 year old for downloading Justin Timberlake in 128 kbps if it really makes you feel superior, but don't kid yourself that you could tell the difference in properly encoded rip.

Glitchwerks: For fark's sake, hardly any audiophile out there could detect a difference between 320 kbps MP3s versus a CD.

Yes, you can go slap a 12 year old for downloading Justin Timberlake in 128 kbps if it really makes you feel superior, but don't kid yourself that you could tell the difference in properly encoded rip.

Ignorance is bliss.

eddyatwork: BunkyBrewman: Listening to MP3s as your primary music source is like listening to a transistor radio instead of satellite radio.

I guess it will horrify you to learn that I can't tell the difference between CD and cassette.

And some other people are color blind.

Maybe you can get a tag allowing you to park right in front of the stores?

It's really not the missing bass that's the true lack in their music, it's that their music is so full of distortion (non-musician intentional) and they can't even tell.

SpwimmingInNY: Glitchwerks: For fark's sake, hardly any audiophile out there could detect a difference between 320 kbps MP3s versus a CD.

Yes, you can go slap a 12 year old for downloading Justin Timberlake in 128 kbps if it really makes you feel superior, but don't kid yourself that you could tell the difference in properly encoded rip.

Ignorance is bliss.

Not exactly. I myself have some pretty good ears, down to being about to tell who produced records I like. It's just that I have yet to meet an audiophile who can actually "hear" and "listen."

They talk big and act like asses...but in the end? They really don't know as much as they think they do. The ones I've met, at least.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Television legend Don Knotts: "They don't do things that way anymore. This is the Age of Science Know-How, electronal marvels."

I have some relatively cheap "skull candy" ear buds. they block out most everything around and have pretty flat bass response down to about 50 Hz. I agree that music should be heard in an ideal environment, but that's just not practical.

Subwofers are awful and ruin music....

that is all

FTFA: "When I was in Big Audio Dynamite, I couldn't play anything. Famously, I had coloured stickers on my keyboard, showing me what to do."


Hehee. I remember his keyboards like that, and fluffing up the samples by forgetting to change the tapes.

Still some of the best gigs I've been too.

/everything needs more base

When decent headphones cost the same as a $10 pair of earbuds, your argument will have merit. When I was a kid, I listened to music on cheap earbuds, as did everyone else. When I grew up and had money, I bought a decent set of headphones.

Picking on kids is pretty silly, really.

Listening to earbuds right now.. at work. I can get away with it on the night shift, but larger headgear, let alone room shaking bass, isn't an option. Certainly not at a hotel..

i use earbuds because my headphones are too nice and expensive and I don't want to bring them on the bus with the smelly hobos. Also, they get real hot on the ears in the summertime. Buds are good for what they are and what I use them for, but not if it's your only way of listening to music.

danduran: When decent headphones cost the same as a $10 pair of earbuds, your argument will have merit.


KSC-75s.
$10.69 + S&H. They're not going to match a good pair of AKGs, Sennheisers, Beyerdynamics, or Grados.. but they'll stomp $300 Bose into the ground..

I guess by 'music legend', you mean 'has no actual musical talent whatsoever, and whose claim to fame is being a dj in London in the late 70s. Somehow managed to end up in the first version of Big Audio Dynamaite, where he didnt last long and generally ticked everyone off'.

I dream of a world without bass. A world where I will no longer be bothered by inconsiderate dickshiats who blast the bass on their music so loudly you can feel it for miles in all directions. A world where I will no longer have to resist the urge to bash in the nonexistent brains of said inconsiderate dickshiats.

Richard Roma: I dream of a world without bass. A world where I will no longer be bothered by inconsiderate dickshiats who blast the bass on their music so loudly you can feel it for miles in all directions. A world where I will no longer have to resist the urge to bash in the nonexistent brains of said inconsiderate dickshiats.

I want to live in this world as well.

Richard Roma: I dream of a world without bass. A world where I will no longer be bothered by inconsiderate dickshiats who blast the bass on their music so loudly you can feel it for miles in all directions. A world where I will no longer have to resist the urge to bash in the nonexistent brains of said inconsiderate dickshiats.

If you actually heard the bass stuff he's talking about you might not be so opposed to it. It's a far cry from what you hear emanating from some dude's car. Just sayin', grandpa.

Glitchwerks: Richard Roma: I dream of a world without bass. A world where I will no longer be bothered by inconsiderate dickshiats who blast the bass on their music so loudly you can feel it for miles in all directions. A world where I will no longer have to resist the urge to bash in the nonexistent brains of said inconsiderate dickshiats.

If you actually heard the bass stuff he's talking about you might not be so opposed to it. It's a far cry from what you hear emanating from some dude's car. Just sayin', grandpa.

So enlighten us. What other kind of bass is there other than the shiat coming out of some homeboy's rust bucket that you can hear a block away?

Marshmallow Jones: I guess by 'music legend', you mean 'has no actual musical talent whatsoever, and whose claim to fame is being a dj in London in the late 70s. Somehow managed to end up in the first version of Big Audio Dynamaite, where he didnt last long and generally ticked everyone off'.


Mick? Is that you?

Glitchwerks

"For fark's sake, hardly any audiophile out there could detect a difference between 320 kbps MP3s versus a CD."


While I can't speak for everyone else, I'll have to say I don't detect much of a difference, and I think I have reasonably good equipment. (McIntosh, Nakamichi, Yamaha, Bang & Olufsen, etc.) And I don't think my hearing is shot, either.

Honestly, I think if you were to AB-X test a CD vs. a 320 kbps LAME rip with the levels equalized between both sources and played through a truly great system, I think the overwhelming majority would be hard pressed to hear a difference.

I believe mostly, it's psychological bias.

GibbyTheMole: Glitchwerks

"For fark's sake, hardly any audiophile out there could detect a difference between 320 kbps MP3s versus a CD."


While I can't speak for everyone else, I'll have to say I don't detect much of a difference, and I think I have reasonably good equipment. (McIntosh, Nakamichi, Yamaha, Bang & Olufsen, etc.) And I don't think my hearing is shot, either.

Honestly, I think if you were to AB-X test a CD vs. a 320 kbps LAME rip with the levels equalized between both sources and played through a truly great system, I think the overwhelming majority would be hard pressed to hear a difference.

I believe mostly, it's psychological bias.

With equipment that good, and working with music the way you do...if you can't tell, I'd say your psychological bias theory is spot on.

John Buck 41: if you can't tell, I'd say your psychological bias theory is spot on.

Most people can't tell the difference between a FLAC file on $15 earphones and a 320kbps MP3 file on the same earphones.

Someone doesn't understand how headphones work.

(You'll always get better sound with $50 headphones than with $250 speakers, btw. Also applies to $10 cans versus $50 speakers, $500 cans versus $2500 speakers, etc etc.)