It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

What a massive ice self might look like.

verbal_jizm: What a massive ice self might look like.

It would be sad if that broke up.

What's that behind him? Carrots?

WHOA

torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

FTA: "It had been there almost unchanged since the first expeditions which mapped it back in the 1930s, so it had a very long period of real stability, and it's only in the last decade that it's started to retreat," Vaughan said.

Somehow I don't think you know what the fark you're talking about.

ninetywt: What's that behind him? Carrots?



Carrots, of a sort.

So how much will this make sea levels rise?

Tr0mBoNe: So how much will this make sea levels rise?

Eh... about that much.

Tr0mBoNe: So how much will this make sea levels rise?

None. It's already floating in the ocean, so it's already displacing its own volume. Land-based ice is what will make levels rise.

I don't deny global warming, I'm just unsure if it's manmade or part of a natural cycle. There really is no way to conclusively prove either view.

That said I'm ok with acting as if it is manmade, just in case. But I don't think anyone should go as far as to act like it is a proven scientific fact that it is caused by man. It's not. It's a theory.

I guess global warming was also responsible for shuffling the continents around over the millenia.

JohnnyC: torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

FTA: "It had been there almost unchanged since the first expeditions which mapped it back in the 1930s, so it had a very long period of real stability, and it's only in the last decade that it's started to retreat," Vaughan said.

Somehow I don't think you know what the fark you're talking about.

But we do hear about this stuff every year.

Tr0mBoNe: So how much will this make sea levels rise?

You will find the answer to that in the article.

CruJones: I don't deny global warming, I'm just unsure if it's manmade or part of a natural cycle. There really is no way to conclusively prove either view.

That said I'm ok with acting as if it is manmade, just in case. But I don't think anyone should go as far as to act like it is a proven scientific fact that it is caused by man. It's not. It's a theory.

Cru your abour where I am. hell I am willing to move in the direction they want, but I am realistic that we need oil for about 20-40 more years.

I didn't think people are denying Global Warming, I thought they denied that man's CO2 emissions are what is causing it and also deny buying carbon credits helps solve the issue.

yeah, it probably has nothing to do with that big fiery ball in the sky going through cycles.

ZOMG! You conservative bastards!! My ice self! What did he ever do to you?!

torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

Southern hemisphere... It's the end of fall going into winter.

Whenever politics gets mixed up in science or idealogy, my BS meter starts pinging.


Here's my take: I'll believe the whole global warming issue is man made and not reliant on sun cycles or some other aspect of nature we don't fully understand yet when they can accurately predict the whether in my town just ONE DAY OUT.


Until then, I reserve my judgment.

JohnnyC: torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

FTA: "It had been there almost unchanged since the first expeditions which mapped it back in the 1930s, so it had a very long period of real stability, and it's only in the last decade that it's started to retreat," Vaughan said.

Somehow I don't think you know what the fark you're talking about.

You damn lib's have been up there for years picking away at it with ice picks just so you could say your right about global warming. This whole thing has been staged. I also noticed the article said NOTHING about it!

/that one better?

Kevua: I didn't think people are denying Global Warming, I thought they denied that man's CO2 emissions are what is causing it and also deny buying carbon credits helps solve the issue.

Oh yeah?

"I deny all global warming and I'm also a fat guy" - Rush Limbaugh
"I deny all global warming and I'm not as fat as Rush" - Niel Boortz

FeBolas: Tr0mBoNe: So how much will this make sea levels rise?

None. It's already floating in the ocean, so it's already displacing its own volume mass(its volume changes with temperature). Land-based ice is what will make levels rise.

sorry, my jackassitude is high today.

I lived in Chicago for a long time and now live in Colorado. In both places, you can hear people saying "Well in the past, the weather used to be like that ... but in the past 20 years or so the weather's been like this." In Chicago, winters got less severe, fall became dryer. (this past winter excepted). In Colorado, it used to snow more in spring and rain more in the summer, now it's dryer.

I guess it could be a blip and not global warming, but I find it funny that staunch conservatives will talk about these changes in weather over time and never make a connection to global warming.

\but you have one extra-cold day and it's all "hahahaha global warming yeah right!"

"Scientists are investigating the causes for the breakups and whether it is linked to global climate change."

Subby fails on two fronts.

-2

And those ice ages we used to have . . . and the subsequent warm periods . . . new evidence suggests mastodon flatulence.

Kevua: I didn't think people are denying Global Warming, I thought they denied that man's CO2 emissions are what is causing it and also deny buying carbon credits helps solve the issue.

It all seems to come in a package... most deniers can't seem to separate the "it's getting warmer" from "it's caused by humans"

Most of the time I hear "Al Gore is a hypocrite douche, so global warming is a lie." or some such line of reasoning.

It's a handy way to identify morons.

SpwimmingInNY: I guess global warming was also responsible for shuffling the continents around over the millenia.

The degree of ignorance displayed in this statement is stunning.

We're not talking about continental drift here. Tectonic plates don't control the movement of ice. Please tell me you're just trolling and not actually that stupid.

Kevua: I didn't think people are denying Global Warming, I thought they denied that man's CO2 emissions are what is causing it and also deny buying carbon credits helps solve the issue.

LOL. You couldn't be more wrong.

Global warming deniers saddened by news of a massive ice self is about to break off of Antarctica......

torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

And the Climate Change Kool-Aid Drinkers are saddened that the originator of the CO2 warming theory and tutor to Al Gore admitted that he was completely wrong during a speech in 1991. Al Gore declared him senile.

Video: Roger Revelle - Originator of the CO2 Global Warming Theory Admits It Was Wrong Before He Died
http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Revelle_Admits_CO2_Theory_Wrong

2wolves: torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

Southern hemisphere... It's the end of fall going into winter.

You round-earthers are SO delusional.

Egalitarian: I lived in Chicago for a long time and now live in Colorado. In both places, you can hear people saying "Well in the past, the weather used to be like that ... but in the past 20 years or so the weather's been like this." In Chicago, winters got less severe, fall became dryer. (this past winter excepted). In Colorado, it used to snow more in spring and rain more in the summer, now it's dryer.

I guess it could be a blip and not global warming, but I find it funny that staunch conservatives will talk about these changes in weather over time and never make a connection to global warming.

\but you have one extra-cold day and it's all "hahahaha global warming yeah right!"



Right, cause 20 years is a HUGE amount of time compared to the age of the planet.


Remember folks, politicians and interest groups may say they care, but it's all about the power play.

One thing I know for sure is that ice should never melt.

EVER!!!

CruJones: But I don't think anyone should go as far as to act like it is a proven scientific fact that it is caused by man. It's not. It's a theory.

That's disingenuous. There's no such thing as a scientific proof. Everything in science is "just a theory".

Yes, it's getting warmer. It's April now, and was March last month. The climate changes naturally.

cabbyman: One thing I know for sure is that ice should never melt.

EVER!!!

yeah! If it melts while humans are around its our fault! The fact that it's been much warmer in the last millennium and that polar bears magically survived is irrelevant!

Valkhorn: Kevua: I didn't think people are denying Global Warming, I thought they denied that man's CO2 emissions are what is causing it and also deny buying carbon credits helps solve the issue.

Oh yeah?

"I deny all global warming and I'm also a fat guy" - Rush Limbaugh
"I deny all global warming and I'm not as fat as Rush" - Niel Boortz

Neal Boortz is a proponant of sun activity based global warming.

Global Warming is about as real as the easter bunny. It's a tool for dolts to bash industry.

globalwarmingpraiser:
Cru your abour where I am. hell I am willing to move in the direction they want, but I am realistic that we need oil for about 20-40 more years.

A 'strawman' argument is when one a person argues against an easily defeatable position that the other side didn't take-- that's a fine example; who's saying we don't need oil?

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It's true that we don't know for a fact humans are causing global warming-- but when we see average temperature (confirmed by comparing many different sources) rise concurrently with the production of CO2 right around the beginning of the industrial revolution, there is sufficient reason to believe there is a causal relationship.



You're right in saying we still don't have proof-- but we have a plausible, substantiated theory of how humans can cause global warming (greenhouse effect), and a correlation between worldwide output of CO2 and increase in global temperature averages. I'm not saying we should just stop there, OF COURSE we should keep investigating, as maybe current theories are incorrect... but there's a heckava lot of evidence that says humans are causing the earth to get hotter.

JohnnyC: torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

FTA: "It had been there almost unchanged since the first expeditions which mapped it back in the 1930s, so it had a very long period of real stability, and it's only in the last decade that it's started to retreat," Vaughan said.

Somehow I don't think you know what the fark you're talking about.

I'm no expert on Antarctica, but I don't think the same shelf would be breaking off every year. In fact, I think a shelf can only break off once, unless it somehow goes around the world and hits Antarctica on the other side.

Jarhead_h: Global warming deniers saddened by news of a massive ice self is about to break off of Antarctica......

torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

And the Climate Change Kool-Aid Drinkers are saddened that the originator of the CO2 warming theory and tutor to Al Gore admitted that he was completely wrong during a speech in 1991. Al Gore declared him senile.

Video: Roger Revelle - Originator of the CO2 Global Warming Theory Admits It Was Wrong Before He Died
http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Revelle_Admits_CO2_Theory_Wrong



And don't forget about Freeman Dyson, long time darling of the nerd crowd (some of his theories featured in Star Trek) and genius.

He dared to question current theories on global warming, and has now been called "deluded" and "senile" from the very people who used to hold him up as a science god just a few months ago.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dysonf07/dysonf07_index.html

2wolves: torch: It's the end of summer in Antarctica. This happens pretty much every year.

Southern hemisphere... It's the end of fall going into winter.

You're not too bright are you? Spring just started in the Northern Hemisphere. That means Fall is starting in the Southern.

godofusa.com: Yes, it's getting warmer. It's April now, and was March last month. The climate changes naturally.

The debate is over, folks. Problem solved.

Listerine: yeah, it probably has nothing to do with that big fiery ball in the sky going through cycles.

Can you explain to me why you're willing to belief the theory that the sun's natural cycles 'cause global warming, a theory which has had very little research put into it, over the theory that humanity is a major cause of global warming, despite all the evidence which points in this direction?
Is it because if you were to believe the latter you'd have to change your lifestyle, or at the very least feel a tinge of guilt?
Man-up.

CruJones: I don't deny global warming, I'm just unsure if it's manmade or part of a natural cycle. There really is no way to conclusively prove either view.

That said I'm ok with acting as if it is manmade, just in case. But I don't think anyone should go as far as to act like it is a proven scientific fact that it is caused by man. It's not. It's a theory.

Who exactly do you think you are to come in here and start using reasonable logic and common sense?

Don't you know that those types of practices are frowned upon here.

Well done!

sacrileg: FeBolas: Tr0mBoNe: So how much will this make sea levels rise?

None. It's already floating in the ocean, so it's already displacing its own volume mass(its volume changes with temperature). Land-based ice is what will make levels rise.

sorry, my jackassitude is high today.

No jackassitude, that's true. My mistake.

NewportBarGuy: ninetywt: What's that behind him? Carrots?



Carrots, of a sort.

BAD carrots!

Listerine: cabbyman: One thing I know for sure is that ice should never melt.

EVER!!!

yeah! If it melts while humans are around its our fault! The fact that it's been much warmer in the last millennium and that polar bears magically survived is irrelevant!

What are your views on phlogiston?

oh noes, it's happening it's all happening

FeBolas: globalwarmingpraiser:
Cru your abour where I am. hell I am willing to move in the direction they want, but I am realistic that we need oil for about 20-40 more years.

A 'strawman' argument is when one a person argues against an easily defeatable position that the other side didn't take-- that's a fine example; who's saying we don't need oil?

--------------

It's true that we don't know for a fact humans are causing global warming-- but when we see average temperature (confirmed by comparing many different sources) rise concurrently with the production of CO2 right around the beginning of the industrial revolution, there is sufficient reason to believe there is a causal relationship.



You're right in saying we still don't have proof-- but we have a plausible, substantiated theory of how humans can cause global warming (greenhouse effect), and a correlation between worldwide output of CO2 and increase in global temperature averages. I'm not saying we should just stop there, OF COURSE we should keep investigating, as maybe current theories are incorrect... but there's a heckava lot of evidence that says humans are causing the earth to get hotter.

I actually like your position. You have and opinion and an open mind. I am also for working on new none carbon based technologies. Good things always come from this kind of stuff. If only the military want to go non fossil fuel for logistics and we would be set in 10 years.