But remember folks- The MSM (which Fox is DEFINITELY NOT A PART OF, no siree) is always making things up.

I like how a $3.1 trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

Math is hard.

Well, of course it is... if you compare 5 or so years of Obama's budget with one year of Bush's official budget

I didn't think Bush needed a budget, he just expensed as needed.

/that's what all great deciders do

And the only difference in Obama's latest budget and Bush's last is that Iraq and Afghanistan are ACTUALLY ON THE BOOKS--not some stupid "emergency funding bill".

Fail GOP is Failing.

fied 2009-04-04 01:34:44 PM And the only difference in Obama's latest budget and Bush's last is that Iraq and Afghanistan are ACTUALLY ON THE BOOKS--not some stupid "emergency funding bill".
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Exactly. And we passed those 'emergency funding bills' at least twice a year and each of them were usually 300 billion.

That's a tremendous cost you're keeping out of the 'official' books.

Message to Fox: People are paying attention, now. You can't just blatantly lie to them and expect them to believe it anymore.

/for the most part
//watching us struggle to get back to normalcy only highlights just how far down we've been dragged

In short, Obama's actually including realistic expected spending for Iraq and Afghanistan wars in the Budget, while Bush did not.

Facts are stupid things. - Ronald Reagan

GAT_00: I like how a $3.1 trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

And Bush's budget was anything but 3.1 trillion - in a move that would have even impressed Orwell, he purposely kept Iraq war expenses out of the budget entirely.

In essence, Bush's budget= Obama's..... the real difference is on what they spend their money on... in fact, that's about the only real difference between republicans and democrats today.

GAT_00: I like how a $3.1* trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

2009 spending will actually be 3.9 Trillion, when you add in Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP and the stimulus bill.

Skleenar: GAT_00: I like how a $3.1* trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

2009 spending will actually be 3.9 Trillion, when you add in Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP and the stimulus bill.

I was smart enough to stop clicking links from Whitehouse.gov several years ago. That place is just a nuthouse for the Republican Right.

Mike_LowELL: Skleenar: GAT_00: I like how a $3.1* trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

2009 spending will actually be 3.9 Trillion, when you add in Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP and the stimulus bill.

I was smart enough to stop clicking links from Whitehouse.gov several years ago. That place is just a nuthouse for the Republican Right.

+1

Judging by all the "lying chyron" stories lately, looks like Fox is now just throwing anonymous falsehoods about to see what sticks. Couldn't they get one of their newsmodels to just say them instead?

Actual quote from Bush about the Iraq war....

"Well, it's going to cost what it costs".

At least all this spending Obama plans to do is an attempt to fix the shiatstorm Bush created, not for an excursion into a country we had no reason to invade.

GAT_00: I like how a $3.1 trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

Especially when you toss in the fact that Bush's $3.1 trillion budget didn't even include the costs of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, while Obama's $3.6 trillion budge does include them. I guess some people really do prefer being lied to.

How much does Obama budget for his budget for the wars?

netcentric: How much does Obama budget for his budget for the wars?

I was told they will pay for themselves.

Dil Doe: I guess some people really do prefer being lied to.


It's called "willfull ignorance". They hear facts they don't like and do the "lalala, I can't hear you" thing that children do.

I don't even think they've properly calculated the cost of these "wars" (they're occupations). I'd like to know how much they're spending on our men and women who come back with pieces of themselves gone and severe mental problems.

Skleenar: netcentric: How much does Obama budget for his budget for the wars?

I was told they will pay for themselves.

The war will last 6 months, tops. The Iraqi oil will fund the war and the rebuilding of Iraq.

At least this is what Bushco told us in 2003.

GAT_00: I like how a $3.1 trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

Just as the difference between capitalism and socialism is 36% - 39% taxes on the wealthiest, another point Stewart made this past week.

Dinki: But remember folks- The MSM (which Fox is DEFINITELY NOT A PART OF, no siree) is always making things up.

This always makes me laugh. In public health statistics, MSM stands for "Men who have Sex with Men" which, considering the close Fox alliance with the Gay Old Party makes perfect sense. As does their adamant denial of being part of MSM.

lilbjorn: MSM stands for "Men who have Sex with Men"

I guess that makes me MSH

I learned a new word today: chyron (new window)

Chyron chyron chyron.

I hate them - they distract from the actual news -and oftentimes, are filled with nonsensical 'analysis'.

Skleenar: netcentric: How much does Obama budget for his budget for the wars?

I was told they will pay for themselves.

I think its 130 billion... if web sources are accurate. I don't see how that was such a big deal.

But I think it could be problematic to spend more in this budget when we may not have the revenue to pay for it.
I think past economic growth had been why congress passed those previous budgets. But will we get economic growth for 2010?? I guess that is the big question... Some say this should be a time to watch expenses. Not increase them, and not be sure how to pay for them. we previously had 54 months of GDP growth. I don't know we will continue to have that....

fox is the devil
they eat babies

So have you GOP'ers switched to fine grain sand in your vagina or are you still on the course grain? I hear volcanic sand is particularly irritating. Perhaps give that a try next?

Skleenar: I guess that makes me MSH

Skleenar: lilbjorn: MSM stands for "Men who have Sex with Men"

I guess that makes me MSH

Ham?

Skleenar: netcentric: How much does Obama budget for his budget for the wars?


I was told they will pay for themselves.

They're not wars.

Mugato: They're not wars.

Overseas contingency operations.

Mike_LowELL: I was smart enough to stop clicking links from Whitehouse.gov several years ago. That place is just a nuthouse for the Republican Right.

I understand it is now under new management.

Bush did it, so it's ok for Obama to do it too. We'll just keep printing money, no biggie.

Skleenar: netcentric: How much does Obama budget for his budget for the wars?

I was told they will pay for themselves.

Wait...wait just a minute. The adoration of the Iraqi people is not a tangible currency? I'm starting to feel a little duped by BushCo.

GAT_00: I like how a $3.1 trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

Especially when it's integrating costs that the previous budget omitted despite their continued existence.

Skleenar: lilbjorn: MSM stands for "Men who have Sex with Men"I guess that makes me MSH

Hermaphrodites?

godofusa.com: Bush did it, so it's ok for Obama to do it too. We'll just keep printing money, no biggie.

Bush never put the wars in his budget; Bush did. Add the following amounts, in billions of dollars, to Bush's budgets, for a more accurate comparison. (Figures come from here; it's a PDF file.)

2001/2002: $34
2003: $81
2004: $94
2005: $108
2006: $126
2007: $171
2008: $188
2008/9: $67 (it's a bridge request Bush made to keep things running during the transition; it's supposed to hold out until June)

Gosling: Bush never put the wars in his budget; Obama did

Fixed. My bad.

exatron: Skleenar: lilbjorn: MSM stands for "Men who have Sex with Men"I guess that makes me MSH

Hermaphrodites?

Hand. This is Fark after all and everyone is still a virgin.

godofusa.com: Bush did it, so it's ok for Obama to do it too. We'll just keep printing money, no biggie.

Exactly. How cares who does it?
This budget and Bush's budget are just insane.

Skleenar: lilbjorn: MSM stands for "Men who have Sex with Men"

I guess that makes me MSH


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hubiestubert: Math is hard.

second.

Skleenar: GAT_00: I like how a $3.1* trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

2009 spending will actually be 3.9 Trillion, when you add in Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP and the stimulus bill.

And there's the math.

3.9 - 3.1 = 0.8 = 4 x (3.1 - 2.9)

No, it doesn't make sense but I like how the math worked out.

Its ok for "your" party to spend but not the other party.

If the opposing party spends 4t then its obviously a waste. But if my party spends 4t its actually saving money and also money well spent.

Did I get that right?...I didn't read the article.

I think we need a new revenue source.....how bout a 100% tax on people who bet against the dollar or the USA in general.

It takes a lot of money to fix a colossal f'up.

Giltric: I think we need a new revenue source.....how bout a 100% tax on people who bet against the dollar or the USA in general.

No, no, that won't work. You see, I read this great book called "Atlas Shrugged." It showed me how if you tax the rich too much they won't work and make jobs for the poor. In fact, they might even get together and form their own super-cool-awesome country that no poor people can be a part of. You see, all those rich people LOVE manual labor, and they're just itching to do jobs like taking out the garbage and growing their food and making their own cars, so there's a real danger of that happening.

2wolves: Hand. This is Fark after all and everyone is still a virgin.

I thought this was obvious.

It's gonna make that father-son conversation a little dicey when he's old enough to understand what that implies about his mother, though.

Hand?

I went with "himself" - you know, to leave options...

What really scares me is Fox News ratings. People watch this stuff, and then they vote.

Even if they know it is crap, some of it is going to stick.

GAT_00: I like how a $3.1 trillion budget is just fine, but the shiat hits the fan if you go up to $3.6 trillion.

Totally. When you're talking about numbers that big, it's almost purely notional. At least to my little pea brain.