You like the feel of my boot on your neck, darklungs? Get used to it.

I've quit. But I still love the scene from Thank You For Smoking where the spokesman tells the Congress that "Yes, we know they are dangerous. Hell, we put the label right on the farking package and people still smoke. Big tobacco isn't hiding anything here. And the people know the risk. They can't avoid knowing the risk. And they still tell you, Congress, that they will keep on smoking no matter the risk, so STFU and GBTW."

well, it is a drug.

Nicotine is a drug
I don't have a problem with it.

While I think there are some good provisions in the bill - liting additives, regulating what goes into tobacco products,etc., giving the FDA oversight on HOW tobacco is sold in troubling. While there can be no outright ban on tobacco (according to the bill), the FDA can place enough restrictions on its sale, i.e., though doctor's prescription, that a ban would not be necessary.

I'm not a smoker but I don't like seeing anymore government control of private lives.

Smoke. SMOKE! Are you smoking yet?

Nicotine's a drug, lol....

So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

Some people just can't put their shackles on quick enough. BAAAAAA!!! BAAAAA!!!!

Hobodeluxe: Nicotine is a drug
I don't have a problem with it.

DING.

Thank you.

madmann: So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

can caffiene, when used as intended, kill you?

No?
Then STFU.

madmann: Nicotine's a drug, lol....

So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

Some people just can't put their shackles on quick enough. BAAAAAA!!! BAAAAA!!!!

Alcohol will be next.

SilentStrider: madmann: So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

can caffiene, when used as intended, kill you?

No?
Then STFU.

Alcohol can.

Cigarette companies have been trying to avoid this for years. Having the FDA oversee your business is not something that will benefit your bottom line. More interesting will be seeing how the FDA regulates a product that is clearly harmful to consumers. Traditionally, they pull harmful products off the market. I wonder if they have any liability for allowing tobacco to be sold but pulling products like Zelnorm and Permax for the exact same reason.

I_C_Weener: I've quit. But I still love the scene from Thank You For Smoking where the spokesman tells the Congress that "Yes, we know they are dangerous. Hell, we put the label right on the farking package and people still smoke. Big tobacco isn't hiding anything here. And the people know the risk. They can't avoid knowing the risk. And they still tell you, Congress, that they will keep on smoking no matter the risk, so STFU and GBTW."

I love that movie. I think I'll watch it this afternoon.

muck4doo: madmann: Nicotine's a drug, lol....

So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

Some people just can't put their shackles on quick enough. BAAAAAA!!! BAAAAA!!!!

Alcohol will be next.

First they came for the fatty food and sugars and I said nothing,
Then they came for the cigarettes and I said nothing,
Then they went after the alcohol and all of Congress stumbled drunkenly to their feet and disbanded the FDA.

sullyman: I wonder if they have any liability for allowing tobacco to be sold but pulling products like Zelnorm and Permax for the exact same reason.

It's very hard to successfully sue the government. And, as a result, one upside for the tobacco companies is that they might well become immune to lawsuits, since the regulation vis a vis safety and health has been turned over to the FDA.

SilentStrider: madmann: So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

can caffiene, when used as intended, kill you?

No?
Then STFU.

Does regulation currently STOP drugs from killing you?

Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

Vioxx, Fen-Phen, Cymbalta.... if you think FDA approval guarantees your safety, you really need to read more. And of course, as has been mentioned, that great "Giver Of Life", alcohol.

But you go ahead and worship at the altar of Government Control if you like. It's fine. Live in a pussy little Nerfworld. Be soft.

madmann: Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

That's a nice article and all.

However:
Annual Causes of Death in the United States (2000)
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,0001,
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 07

hillbillypharmacist: sullyman: I wonder if they have any liability for allowing tobacco to be sold but pulling products like Zelnorm and Permax for the exact same reason.

It's very hard to successfully sue the government. And, as a result, one upside for the tobacco companies is that they might well become immune to lawsuits, since the regulation vis a vis safety and health has been turned over to the FDA.

This offers no protection to cigarette manufacturers. Just ask any pharmaceutical company about how they are shielded from lawsuits because the FDA regulates their product. Or just open your local paper and see the ads for "have you been harmed by product X, you have money coming" by every ambulance chaser in town.

hillbillypharmacist: Marijuana 07

Wat?

Do you really think their going to let people keep smoking when health care is socialized? That was always my biggest problem with it. Not the whole socialism bad thing but if they are paying for your health they will start telling you what you can and can't do to that body they are paying to keep working.

They can have my tomacco when they pry it from my hot, greasy cheeseburger.

Oh, tobacco. Carry on, then.

SilentStrider: madmann: So when they regulate caffeine, that's going to be OK?

can caffiene, when used as intended, kill you?

No?
Then STFU.

Nicotine is harmless retard. It's the delivery system that's flawed.

2wheeljunkie: Wat?

Whoops, that's marijuana 0.

2wheeljunkie: hillbillypharmacist: Marijuana 07

Wat?

Haha, were those 7 people that were tested for weed after a car crash or something?

RainWhenIDie: Do you really think their going to let people keep smoking when health care is socialized?

Yes.

hillbillypharmacist: madmann: Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

That's a nice article and all.

However:
Annual Causes of Death in the United States (2000)
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,0001,
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 07

Great unsourced list there. Surely convincing data. I DO like how marijuana's 7 deaths (ROFL!!!) are NOT included in the "illicit drugs" category. Very nice.

I especially like the numbers I bolded. Even if that number is supposed to be 17,001 (ya know... an ACTUAL number)... then even by YOUR numbers, prescription drugs kill TWICE as many as all "illicit" drugs combined.

So you invalidated my original contention with your unsourced list, how?

For the hard of comprehension, I'll repeat: FDA approval does NOT guarantee your safety.

madmann: Great unsourced list there. Surely convincing data. I DO like how marijuana's 7 deaths (ROFL!!!) are NOT included in the "illicit drugs" category. Very nice.

Those were typos, or more accurately, numbers that represented sources that I should have deleted. If you want a source, then just ask. Do you really think I would just make up some numbers, when such information is so readily available?

RainWhenIDie: Do you really think their going to let people keep smoking when health care is socialized? That was always my biggest problem with it. Not the whole socialism bad thing but if they are paying for your health they will start telling you what you can and can't do to that body they are paying to keep working.

I can smoke here. It's just they have to hide the packs behind the counter in cases so kids won't even see them. And the entire front of the pack is a warning. And they've been officially renamed Cancer Sticks.

And they don't pay for your health care in Socialism. We do. It's our taxes, our choice. Of course it's also their taxes, their choice... but that raises some ethical issues.

madmann: For the hard of comprehension, I'll repeat: FDA approval does NOT guarantee your safety.

I don't think you're going to get any bites, guy. No one believes that the FDA 'guarantees' your safety.

Go submit a thread about how The Beatles suck, if you want an argument.

hillbillypharmacist: madmann: Great unsourced list there. Surely convincing data. I DO like how marijuana's 7 deaths (ROFL!!!) are NOT included in the "illicit drugs" category. Very nice.

Those were typos, or more accurately, numbers that represented sources that I should have deleted. If you want a source, then just ask. Do you really think I would just make up some numbers, when such information is so readily available?

You ever going to get to how your numbers, which support my contention that prescription drugs kill more people than illegal ones, prove me wrong?

I didn't figure you made the numbers up, I figured you didn't want to reveal an obviously biased source. I'm not sold on your source either, DrugWarFacts.org, but I'll play your numbers as written. (Something tells me a site called DrugWarsFacts.org may be in some way biased. I know, crazy, huh?)

So, by your count:

Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,001 (corrected)

So... almost 40,000 deaths attributed to prescription drugs... but only 17,001 due to illegal drugs. One more time: How does FDA approval ensure your safety?

madmann: One more time: How does FDA approval ensure your safety?

hillbillypharmacist: I don't think you're going to get any bites, guy. No one believes that the FDA 'guarantees' your safety.

Go submit a thread about how The Beatles suck, if you want an argument.

hillbillypharmacist: madmann: For the hard of comprehension, I'll repeat: FDA approval does NOT guarantee your safety.

I don't think you're going to get any bites, guy. No one believes that the FDA 'guarantees' your safety.

Go submit a thread about how The Beatles suck, if you want an argument.

I see. Your whole career is wrapped up in making sure the government tightly controls all drugs, so you just want them to take control of whatever they can. Job security for you.

Your own numbers show you to be a hypocrite.

Yeah, I'm done with you.

hillbillypharmacist: madmann: For the hard of comprehension, I'll repeat: FDA approval does NOT guarantee your safety.

I don't think you're going to get any bites, guy. No one believes that the FDA 'guarantees' your safety.

Go submit a thread about how The Beatles suck, if you want an argument.

That Bob Dylan guy too.

SilentStrider: can caffiene, when used as intended, kill you?

No?
Then STFU.

You've missed the stories about idiots that drink 10 Red Bulls and have to be rushed to the hospital.

madmann:I see. Your whole career is wrapped up in making sure the government tightly controls all drugs, so you just want them to take control of whatever they can. Job security for you.
Your own numbers show you to be a hypocrite.
Yeah, I'm done with you.

Hey, whatever shuts you up.

Crosshair: SilentStrider: can caffiene, when used as intended, kill you?

No?
Then STFU.

You've missed the stories about idiots that drink 10 Red Bulls and have to be rushed to the hospital.

That's why he said "when used as intended." You should only drink 10 Red Bulls if you're studying for finals, and have built up the caffeine tolerance. Duh.

WOW! If this works out maybe they can try it with cocaine and heroin.

/Black market in 5, 4, 3........

when smokers pay back what they cost the country in increased healthcare costs I will listen, until then, STFU

This Democratic led House is retarded.



/same shiat, different day

/Hoping this is the first step towards legalization of weed...
//unlikely tag

madmann: Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

Actually 3x as many, not 300% more. 300% more would be 4 times as many. May be a leetle bit connected to the fact that many more people take prescription drugs.

To answer your question, yes the FDA does prevent many many death by prescription drugs.

mangomango: when smokers pay back what they cost the country in increased healthcare costs I will listen, until then, STFU

Smokers cost less in healthcare than non-smokers.

Is this opposite day on Fark? As many times as this study has been posted, people still say the exact opposite?

Smokers cost less because we die younger (Fatties too). Mostly because they want to, from a lifetime of dealing with non-smokers.

So, ya know... as soon as the non-smokers pay back what they cost the country in increased healthcare costs I will listen, until then, STFU. Right?

mangomango: when smokers pay back what they cost the country in increased healthcare costs I will listen, until then, STFU

I dunno...there are quite a bunch of taxes being put on every pack. That still not good enough? You sound fat.

Crosshair:
You've missed the stories about idiots that drink 10 Red Bulls and have to be rushed to the hospital.

Citation needed. The LD50 for caffeine is 190 mg/kg, so you'd have to drink over 100 to even come close to a lethal dose.

ilambiquated: May be a leetle bit connected to the fact that many more people take prescription drugs.

Yup. About 75% of the population takes some sort of prescription medication. Only about 15% of people say they've used any illicit drug in the last month- and no telling how much of that is marijuana. Though prescriptions kill more people total, illicit drugs are still far more dangerous.

aarond12: Hoping this is the first step towards legalization of weed...


Do you mean by classifying nicotine as a drug?


Weed already is a drug, classified by the FDA as a Class 1 controlled substance.


Just curious about your opinion.

You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

ilambiquated: madmann: Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

Actually 3x as many, not 300% more. 300% more would be 4 times as many. May be a leetle bit connected to the fact that many more people take prescription drugs.

To answer your question, yes the FDA does prevent many many death by prescription drugs.

You're correct on your math. I didn't write the headline, but didn't catch it in the copypasta.

I'm sure they prevent many deaths. They also cause many deaths, by allowing drugs that cause death like Vioxx into the market. I'm also sure they cause some deaths by NOT approving good medicines. Since we don't have numbers for all those variables, any comparison is meaningless. None of that was my point.

My point is that FDA oversight will do nothing to make it safer for anyone, they are just using this as an excuse to regulate it as they see fit, i.e. tax it out of existence. And if it's valid for them to do so, it's also valid for them to do with alcohol. Or caffeine. Or any one of millions of compounds they might decide are "drugs".

hillbillypharmacist: madmann: Great unsourced list there. Surely convincing data. I DO like how marijuana's 7 deaths (ROFL!!!) are NOT included in the "illicit drugs" category. Very nice.

Those were typos, or more accurately, numbers that represented sources that I should have deleted. If you want a source, then just ask. Do you really think I would just make up some numbers, when such information is so readily available?

So people who are ostensibly upset that the FDA regulates marijuana (and thus negates state medical marijuana laws) are going to be in favor of the FDA regulating nicotine? You can't have it both ways.

"Every vice is already a punishment in itself. There should be no such thing as a vice law: every vice is only a bad habit and the punishment is inherent in the act. You smoke cigarettes you get cancer, you die, you don't need a ticket on top of it . . . You gamble, you lose your money, the house has the edge, it's a punishment in itself. You watch too much porno, it diminishes your taste for the kind of girls that will actually fARK you. It's got a down side, I've done every vice that you can think of. I have drank 'til I couldn't remember my own name, I've done coke 'til my nose was bleeding like the fourth week of Lilith Fair . . . I figured it out all on my own. And I've had hookers before . . . I never woke up the next day going: "Man, I'm glad I got a hooker last night; I'm a genius." . . . Now I've gotta check my dick for spots for the next six months."

-Doug Stanhope