Spitting Image rocked... esp Reagan

It's just so catchy!

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums...

I do want.

Need turntable!

Genesis was great. The Post-Gabriel Phil Collins Band, not so hot.

Anybody know what the deal is with vinyl coming back? What did I miss?

simplicimus: Anybody know what the deal is with vinyl coming back? What did I miss?

I don't know,man. I finally got a turntable back, after 15 years wait and was all excited to go back to vinyls. Then it all came back to me...

those awful popping noises....


/Gabriel-era FTW
//"THE KNIFE" for a double-win

simplicimus: Anybody know what the deal is with vinyl coming back? What did I miss?

Much harder to pirate.

HappyHarryHardOn: I don't know,man. I finally got a turntable back, after 15 years wait and was all excited to go back to vinyls. Then it all came back to me...

those awful popping noises....


/Gabriel-era FTW
//"THE KNIFE" for a double-win

I was thinking about getting a usb turntable to convert my vinyl to mp3s, cause vinyl has issues, then I start seeing vinyl LPs popping up again. I'm confused.

Tr0mBoNe: simplicimus: Anybody know what the deal is with vinyl coming back? What did I miss?

Much harder to pirate.
Are the new vinyls copy protected? I'm pretty sure my Sgt. Pepper album isn't.

Bah, the only Genesis album I have is Invisible Touch and I think it's good.

A Genesis Project?
Don't tell this guy:

Came for Khan, leaving satisfied.

I was never into old Genesis, I have a copy of The lamb lies down on Broadway, it is okay.

Hey, fark you guys. I like the Phil Collins era Genesis. The Peter Gabriel era is great too. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.

Genesis was great. The Post-Gabriel Phil Collins Band, not so hot.

Genesis with Hackett was great, with or without Gabriel. It was after Hackett left that Genesis started sounding like Phil Collins' side project.

The song "I Can't Dance" from the 1991 hit album "We Can't Dance" is undeniably the greatest song in the history of music.

Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole.

Eh, wake me when they reunite with Gabriel.

flaminglip:

All you are going to do is disappoint yourself and miss out on the the true wonders of vinyl.

yeah, get out there like a real man and buy $30,000 worth of equipment so that scraping a needle through a groove in some soft plastic will "sound better" under theoretical laboratory conditions.

flaminglip: HappyHarryHardOn: I don't know,man. I finally got a turntable back, after 15 years wait and was all excited to go back to vinyls. Then it all came back to me...

those awful popping noises....

You are doing it wrong.

Stick with me kid, I'll show you the way.

Ok, short of spending 1000's of $$ on hardware and keeping the vinyl clean, what's the secret?

I saw Lamb and TOTT and they were both brilliant. TOTT is a top shelf album.

RIP, John Mayhew.

Read an interview with him from a couple years back where Genesis management was actually trying to make sure he got his Trespass royalties. Sure do hope that worked out for him.

And a condolence note from Steve Hackett.

/stagnation ftw

I was looking at a USB turntable in Costco and realized it must suck. I wouldn't buy Genesis in any format, but I have plenty of vinyl that will never be on CD. But do I want to go back to the days of testing out cartridges and hours on my anti-static cleaning mat and swirling unguents on albums? It was lot of work listening to vinyl.

Gulper Eel: RIP, John Mayhew.

Read an interview with him from a couple years back where Genesis management was actually trying to make sure he got his Trespass royalties. Sure do hope that worked out for him.

And a condolence note from Steve Hackett.

/stagnation ftw

Classy, that one of the guys who never really worked with him wrote a nice letter like that.

vernonFL: Came for Khan, leaving satisfied.

I was never into old Genesis, I have a copy of The lamb lies down on Broadway, it is okay.

"Okay" about sums it up. One of the two most overrated albums in the prog canon.

flaminglip: John Buck 41: flaminglip: HappyHarryHardOn: I don't know,man. I finally got a turntable back, after 15 years wait and was all excited to go back to vinyls. Then it all came back to me...

those awful popping noises....

You are doing it wrong.

Stick with me kid, I'll show you the way.

Ok, short of spending 1000's of $$ on hardware and keeping the vinyl clean, what's the secret?

Well, you gave the first half of it away. But the second half is the really fun part. Thats when people give you tons of free albums you never thought you would listen to until you put them on and start to wonder what else in life you might have missed. Its also the part when you get to go down to your locally owned record store and buy that new or old album from that band you really like. You might even bust it out of the package and smell it like that customer did in High Fidelity.

I appreciate your passion. Really, I do. I used to have that same passion for music 15 or 20 years ago. Now? Not so much. I'm perfectly happy popping a cd in the car or in the laptop.

flaminglip: HappyHarryHardOn: I don't know,man. I finally got a turntable back, after 15 years wait and was all excited to go back to vinyls. Then it all came back to me...

those awful popping noises....

You are doing it wrong.

Stick with me kid, I'll show you the way.

To be fair, I was listening to 20-year-old crates of semi-used vinyls...


Music aside, one sad thing I miss about the vinyl era is getting gigantic artworks you could hold in your hands. Its impressive. A CD cover can rarely be very exciting. Let alone MP3s

Good, I would hate to think that I was going to miss out on all the scratches, static pops, bass rumble, and compression that only vinyl can provide.

Stupid trend is stupid.

Tresspass is still one of my favorites.

So, these guys actually continued to record after Peter went solo? You don't say?

/ Abacab and Home by the Sea are fun records

su su sussudio!
god, i love that movie.

HappyHarryHardOn: flaminglip: HappyHarryHardOn: I don't know,man. I finally got a turntable back, after 15 years wait and was all excited to go back to vinyls. Then it all came back to me...

those awful popping noises....

You are doing it wrong.

Stick with me kid, I'll show you the way.

To be fair, I was listening to 20-year-old crates of semi-used vinyls...


Music aside, one sad thing I miss about the vinyl era is getting gigantic artworks you could hold in your hands. Its impressive. A CD cover can rarely be very exciting. Let alone MP3s

I'll grant you that. A jewel case doesn't have the impact of 12" x 12".

flaminglip: John Buck 41: I appreciate your passion. Really, I do. I used to have that same passion for music 15 or 20 years ago. Now? Not so much. I'm perfectly happy popping a cd in the car or in the laptop.

Thanks old radio man ;)

I am genuinely curious though, at what age can I expect my ears to give way to nature? I only ask because a lot of those free lps I was talking about were given to me by the 50 plus crowd so it has me worried.

Is it the ears or just an old laziness/convenience thing?

(I'm not mocking you if its the latter, just wondering)

I won't deny my hearing may be a little farked from almost 30 years of loud headphones 4 or 5 hours (off and on) a day, but for me it's the latter. I'm just jaded. Mock me all you want.

And I ain't old, whippersnapper. Just ask Mrs. Buck 41 :)

flaminglip: Jesus God baby Muhammad, whatever you people do, DO NOT BUY ONE OF THOSE GADAMMED USB TURNTABLES!

All you are going to do is disappoint yourself and miss out on the the true wonders of vinyl. Seriously, its like buying a cheap Tasco telescope and expecting to see the colored stripes of Jupiter.

This. Seriously, those USB turntables are very shoddy. If you are going to rip your vinyl, it would be better to invest in a good turntable and a good soundcard.

If you're good at ripping vinyl, and upload quality rips, getting into those elusive private sites is very easy.

I'm happy.
this sounds like wonderful news.

especially they finally remastered/remixed/whatevered "Trespass", one of my very fav. Genesis albums... [probably because it was my first or second one from the Gabriel era]
[yup, i know they remastered Nursery Cryme for cd a little while back]

i shall look for it at my local record store.
what do ya bet they'll charge like $100 for it or something stupid. lol.
[the 2 disc vinyl of "X and Y" by Coldplay was $60... WTF.]
[some other box set --- radiohead? metallica? i forget --- was like almost $100 for a bunch of discs...]

/ bought the first 4 disc Genesis box set almost a decade ago from Future Shop... for $125 [!!! i know, crazy stupid price]... back before i knew about the wonders of ebay or amazon lol....

GypsyJoker
Gulper Eel: RIP, John Mayhew.

Read an interview with him from a couple years back where Genesis management was actually trying to make sure he got his Trespass royalties. Sure do hope that worked out for him.

And a condolence note from Steve Hackett.

/stagnation ftw

Classy, that one of the guys who never really worked with him wrote a nice letter like that.

I agree... what a nice fellow to write such a nice note about Mayhew...
half of me kinda always thought of Hackett as kind of a stuffed-shirt type [almost to a Fripp-type magnitude], [which is probably almost completely unfounded] but that note knocked him up a few pegs in my book....

Bag-o-Nugs: I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece low point artistically. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums...

I'm sensing sarcasm, but I fixed it anyways

hmmm, I've had a nice vinyl rip of this set I got from a torrent for over a month now, I thought it came out last year. It was dated 2008 anyways. And what's with that horrible late period logo on the box?

I have to return some video tapes.

is the American Psycho movie better than the book? The way every other syllable was italicized made it sound like all the characters were speaking like Napoleon Dynamite.

"I have to return some video tapes, GOSH!"

zappawizard: And what's with that horrible late period logo on the box?

It matches the logos on the other boxes...but if you take a close look inside the letters themselves you get a peek at the older album covers.

FeedTheCollapse: is the American Psycho movie better than the book? The way every other syllable was italicized made it sound like all the characters were speaking like Napoleon Dynamite.

"I have to return some video tapes, GOSH!"

The movie is far, FAR less graphic than the book. Otherwise, they are very much alike, i.e., the movie follows the book fairly closely.

zappawizard: Bag-o-Nugs: I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece low point artistically. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums...

I'm sensing sarcasm, but I fixed it anyways

Remember the rule for posting on Fark: If it was popular, you're required to point out that you didn't like it.

/see, that makes you cooler than everyone else

This is a definite purchase for me.

I've been a vinyl guy for the last 30 years or so. Here are a couple of thoughts I have on ripping vinyl to your PC. (Something I do a lot, actually...)

For those who are thinking of buying a USB turntable, I have this advice. DON'T! To say the quality sucks epic crank is an understatement. Here's a few reasons why they suck:

1) Lousy, cheap plastic plinth and flimsy platters that conduct every vibration with a 5 mile radius. If a gnat farts, the vibration will be picked up and transmitted back to the stylus.

2) Piece of crap tonearm. These things typically have tonearms no better than a cheap child's phonograph. Tin, and plastic. Total garbage. Such arms are incapable of delivering anything even remotely resembling even mid-fi.

3) Same with the supplied cartridges. Frequently, they're ceramic rather than moving magnet. Lo-fi all the way.

There's a MUCH better option that's no more expensive than a USB turntable. Here's what to do:

1) Get a decent used real turntable. A Pioneer, Technics, Sansui, Kenwood. Something like that. Something made in the 70s or 80s before plastic became king. Belt or direct drive, doesn't matter nearly as much as the overall quality of the turntable. Look at a thrift store. You can probably score one for under $20.

2) Get a decent moving-magnet cartridge. Yes you can spend thousands on a cartridge. You can also spend $15 at Amazon for a new Audio Technica AT90CD cartridge.

3) If you have a decent sound card for recording, get either a used receiver, (once again, a good Pioneer, Technics, Sansui, Kenwood, etc. with a phono input) and use that for your phono preamp. Used this way, it the power output of the receiver doesn't matter at all. You won't be using the amp section. Just the phono preamp. Expect to spend maybe $35. ART makes an inexpensive phono preamp for about $35 at Amazon or Musician's Friend. That'd be fine, too. Plug your turntable into that, and then the "tape out" jacks of the receiver (or "output" jacks of the phono preamp) into your sound card's inputs.

So with that, you've got less than $80 wrapped up in it, and the performance will positively, absolutely blow away any USB turntable in every way.

If you have a lousy sound input on your computer, you could pick up the ART USBPhonoPlus v2 USB phono preamp/interface from Amazon for $75 and still only have $125 or so in everything.

You'll want to clean those records, too. A great way to clean your records that rivals a commercial record cleaning machine for way less is this:

Get:

1) A cheap child's phonograph. Doesn't even need to work. You just need the platter to turn.

2) A Perfection handheld steam cleaner. ($30 or so)

3) Distilled water ($1 a gallon)

4) A carbon-fiber record brush ($10 from Garage-A-Records, an online seller.)

5) Microfiber automotive detailing towels ($5 for a 3 pack)

Holding the steamer about 3-4 inches from the record, turn the record slowly and thoroughly steam the record.

Then, still turning the record, hold the brush to it & let the brush get into the grooves for a few revolutions.

Dry the record with the automotive towel, going with the grooves, and using a good amount of pressure to get the fibers into the grooves.

This will get the records super clean, and you won't be spending a fortune on a record cleaning machine.

Keep in mind, a lot of records can look like brand new with no marks or scratches at all. But there still can be plenty of crap in the grooves that make them noisy. Records aren't noisy. Crud or scratches make them noisy. Once they're steam cleaned, you won't have to do it again for a long, long time (maybe never) as long as you give them a quick brush before playing and keep the stylus clean.

It sounds like a lot, but honestly, caring for and listening to records isn't the massive pain in the butt most people think it is.

Gonzo76: Eh, wake me when they reunite with Gabriel.

THIS

/and Hackett

To my ears, they got it perfect with "Trick of the Tail". They still had all the chops and intricacy of the Gabriel years and Collins hadn't yet discovered his inner Diana Ross. One of the best albums of all time.

Listen to the last section of "Entangled", after the singing ends, with the Mellotron and Arp interplay and tell me that isn't pure genius. And "Ripples"... OMG!

GibbyTheMole: I've been a vinyl guy for the last 30 years or so. Here are a couple of thoughts I have on ripping vinyl to your PC. (Something I do a lot, actually...)

For those who are thinking of buying a USB turntable, I have this advice. DON'T! To say the quality sucks epic crank is an understatement. Here's a few reasons why they suck:

1) Lousy, cheap plastic plinth and flimsy platters that conduct every vibration with a 5 mile radius. If a gnat farts, the vibration will be picked up and transmitted back to the stylus.

2) Piece of crap tonearm. These things typically have tonearms no better than a cheap child's phonograph. Tin, and plastic. Total garbage. Such arms are incapable of delivering anything even remotely resembling even mid-fi.

3) Same with the supplied cartridges. Frequently, they're ceramic rather than moving magnet. Lo-fi all the way.

There's a MUCH better option that's no more expensive than a USB turntable. Here's what to do:

1) Get a decent used real turntable. A Pioneer, Technics, Sansui, Kenwood. Something like that. Something made in the 70s or 80s before plastic became king. Belt or direct drive, doesn't matter nearly as much as the overall quality of the turntable. Look at a thrift store. You can probably score one for under $20.

2) Get a decent moving-magnet cartridge. Yes you can spend thousands on a cartridge. You can also spend $15 at Amazon for a new Audio Technica AT90CD cartridge.

3) If you have a decent sound card for recording, get either a used receiver, (once again, a good Pioneer, Technics, Sansui, Kenwood, etc. with a phono input) and use that for your phono preamp. Used this way, it the power output of the receiver doesn't matter at all. You won't be using the amp section. Just the phono preamp. Expect to spend maybe $35. ART makes an inexpensive phono preamp for about $35 at Amazon or Musician's Friend. That'd be fine, too. Plug your turntable into that, and then the "tape out" jacks of the receiver (or "output" jacks of the phono preamp) into your sound card's inputs.

So with that, you've got less than $80 wrapped up in it, and the performance will positively, absolutely blow away any USB turntable in every way.

If you have a lousy sound input on your computer, you could pick up the ART USBPhonoPlus v2 USB phono preamp/interface from Amazon for $75 and still only have $125 or so in everything.

You'll want to clean those records, too. A great way to clean your records that rivals a commercial record cleaning machine for way less is this:

Get:

1) A cheap child's phonograph. Doesn't even need to work. You just need the platter to turn.

2) A Perfection handheld steam cleaner. ($30 or so)

3) Distilled water ($1 a gallon)

4) A carbon-fiber record brush ($10 from Garage-A-Records, an online seller.)

5) Microfiber automotive detailing towels ($5 for a 3 pack)

Holding the steamer about 3-4 inches from the record, turn the record slowly and thoroughly steam the record.

Then, still turning the record, hold the brush to it & let the brush get into the grooves for a few revolutions.

Dry the record with the automotive towel, going with the grooves, and using a good amount of pressure to get the fibers into the grooves.

This will get the records super clean, and you won't be spending a fortune on a record cleaning machine.

Keep in mind, a lot of records can look like brand new with no marks or scratches at all. But there still can be plenty of crap in the grooves that make them noisy. Records aren't noisy. Crud or scratches make them noisy. Once they're steam cleaned, you won't have to do it again for a long, long time (maybe never) as long as you give them a quick brush before playing and keep the stylus clean.

It sounds like a lot, but honestly, caring for and listening to records isn't the massive pain in the butt most people think it is.

Well, it's obviously a passion for you, a labor of love, if you will. I have no doubt everything you say is true, but I think for the average person with average ears it's a bigger project than they want to tackle.

But, at any rate, happy listening. Cheers.

flaminglip: Glitchwerks: If you're good at ripping vinyl, and upload quality rips, getting into those elusive private sites is very easy.

Reeealy?

I did not know that. Do you know of anything better than Audacity for recording? It seems to work ok, but I get latency issues with it sometimes. I suppose I could use Cubase but it would be nice to have something simple that just... works.

A lot of people still use good ol' Sound Forge. Others prefer Adobe Audition.

Any music fan who ignores "Duke," "Abacab" and "Genesis" is only hurting themselves.