submitter: U.S. spy agencies "still plagued by same intelligence failures" that allowed Saddam Hussein to attack America on 9/11

What you did there. I see it.

FTA: "America's spy agencies are still hamstrung by turf battles, computer compatibility problems and financial mismanagement, five years after a major shake-up designed to avoid a repeat of the intelligence failures that failed to stop the September 11 attacks, according to a damning internal report."

Show me a single large organization that doesn't wrestle with those demons. Just. One. Example.

"We have been repeatedly disappointed by the lack of clarity in the role of the DNI," said California Congressman Anna Eshoo...

Gesundheit

This is Clinton's fault. He should have see that a new global era in terrorism was coming. I also blame Obama for not addressing what Clinton screwed up.

I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then? Oh yeah, ZERO!

Eddie Adams from Torrance: DHS is a big failure

The DHS doesn't really exist. They're a proof of concept of "hollow" government, they contract out almost all their services and primarily operate as a contract management firm.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then? Oh yeah, ZERO!

You idiot. We haven't been attacked domestically since 9/11 (aside from that pesky anthrax thing) because of the anti-terrorist attack rock I have sitting here on my desk.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: many times have we been attacked since then?

Does anthrax through the mail count?

How many Americans died between 1991-2001 (not counting 9/11) during terrorist attacks? Is it more or less then the number of soldiers that have been killed since 2001?

what_now: Eddie Adams from Torrance: many times have we been attacked since then?

Does anthrax through the mail count?

Only if it was sent by a Muslin.

Bored Horde: How many Americans died between 1991-2001 (not counting 9/11) during terrorist attacks? Is it more or less then the number of soldiers that have been killed since 2001?

You can include 9/11 and it's still fewer Americans that died in terrorist attacks in those ten years than have died in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Hussein? Where have I heard that name recently?

Oh no!! It's a conspiracy! We're through the looking glass here, people!

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then?

And it only cost us 4200 + soldiers used as targets in Iraq. We sure showed them!

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Only if it was sent by a Muslin.

The jokes on you, they got a secret Muslin elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Was it over when Saddam attacked on 9/11? Hell no!

More people die on American roads every year than died in the 9/11 attacks. This is why we need to bring the troops home - so they can start bombing all roads.

The Onanist: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Only if it was sent by a Muslin.

The jokes on you, they got a secret Muslin elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

Why all the fabric hate?

The Onanist: The jokes on you, they got a secret Muslin elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

As a beer-drinking, pork munching christian, he's very well disguised.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then? Oh yeah, ZERO!

Yes, but it is because of my magic anti-terrorism rock that I keep in my basement. Go ahead, and prove that my magic rock is no less protective than the DHS.

Code_Archeologist: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then? Oh yeah, ZERO!

Yes, but it is because of my magic anti-terrorism rock that I keep in my basement. Go ahead, and prove that my magic rock is no less protective than the DHS.

I'd like to buy your rock

-1 for submitting this dreck in a time of international crisis, Subby. Have you not heard that Obama gave the Queen an iPod?

OneFretAway: -1 for submitting this dreck in a time of international crisis, Subby. Have you not heard that Obama gave the Queen an iPod?

You mean the one she asked for?

Hender: OneFretAway: -1 for submitting this dreck in a time of international crisis, Subby. Have you not heard that Obama gave the Queen an iPod?

You mean the one she asked for?

Exactly. What if she asks for the US to return to being a Colony next? Is Barack HUSSEIN Obama going to give her that too?

Slippery slope is slippery.

eqtworld: Liberal media agencies "still plagued by same intelligence failures" that allowed Hussein Obama to barack America on 1/20

wow. that is some first-class wharrgarble. you should get corporate sponsorship for stuff of that class.

Hender: OneFretAway: -1 for submitting this dreck in a time of international crisis, Subby. Have you not heard that Obama gave the Queen an iPod?

You mean the one she asked for?

You sound fat.

The Onanist: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Only if it was sent by a Muslin.

The jokes on you, they got a secret Muslin elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

Yeah, but he's like 600 thread count, so it's ok.

Smooth as the other side of the pillow.

Going to war is a failure of intelligence.

If you ignore the anthrax attacks, the guy shooting people at the LAX counter, the beltway sniper, and all the attacks on US Embassies...then there haven't been any attacks on US soil since 9/11.

bulldg4life: If you ignore the anthrax attacks, the guy shooting people at the LAX counter, the beltway sniper, and all the attacks on US Embassies...then there haven't been any attacks on US soil since 9/11.

You forgot the church shooter.

Obdicut: bulldg4life: If you ignore the anthrax attacks, the guy shooting people at the LAX counter, the beltway sniper, and all the attacks on US Embassies...then there haven't been any attacks on US soil since 9/11.

You forgot the church shooter.

And the VA Tech shooter. He wanted to terrorize people.

But...but...but...Bush!

/oh, wait...

Obdicut: You forgot the church shooter.

White men can't be terrorists. Duh.

Hender: You idiot. We haven't been attacked domestically since 9/11 (aside from that pesky anthrax thing) because of the anti-terrorist attack rock I have sitting here on my desk.

Hender, I want to buy your rock.

tacos rule

submitter Spy agencies "still plagued by same intelligence failures" that allowed Saddam Hussein to attack America on 9/11.

And, if we don't reform these agencies, he'll do it again.

I've not really understood the absolute fear that came out of 9/11.

We were attacked. At critical points. A lot of people suddenly were afraid that the boogeyman was going to kill them at every turn, in every corner, shadow, school, bathroom stall, etc. While what they did was awful, we've sat here in this country relatively isolated from attacks that happen almost every single day around the world. It was bound to happen here. Eventually.

Get rid of DHS. Put FBI and CIA under DoD and have them unify all the military, defense and intelligence agencies. FEMA can be a subset of this via the National Guard, linked in with the US Army of Engineering Corps and other first responder groups. The FBI and CIA can work with military intel for overseas missions and governmental executive officials here in the US. They would also oversea the borders and INS.

.02. What do I know? Nothing, apparently.

ardere: The Onanist: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Only if it was sent by a Muslin.

The jokes on you, they got a secret Muslin elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

Why all the fabric hate?

Muppets are mostly fabric.

Hm. That's not "change we can believe in."

Hender: You idiot. We haven't been attacked domestically since 9/11 (aside from that pesky anthrax thing) because of the anti-terrorist attack rock I have sitting here on my desk.

How much would you be willing to sell such a fine rock for?

I might trade you this log that wards off tigers. Haven't seen one since I found it.

Surely this is Obama's fault, somehow. Let me check my talking points.

I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then? Oh yeah, ZERO!

And before Obama?

At least twice!

rppp01a:
Get rid of DHS. Put FBI and CIA under DoD and have them unify all the military, defense and intelligence agencies. FEMA can be a subset of this via the National Guard, linked in with the US Army of Engineering Corps and other first responder groups. The FBI and CIA can work with military intel for overseas missions and governmental executive officials here in the US. They would also oversea the borders and INS.

Holy fark, those are awful ideas. By that logic, we should fold police and fire departments into the DoD as well.

Meh. You have to be careful what you do when you reorganize some of that - you can fix it to death.

DIA is plagued by people calling in from the field to "old buddies" who have retired from the military to work at DIA. It was decided that this was a huge breach of security. Before stomping it out, they did a study first - odd, that - and discovered that more than half of the intelligence support they were ACTUALLY providing to people in the field was through that channel, because they'd made it so damned tough to get real-time support through official channels. Had they put a stop to it, they'd have failed their mission.

It's a quirky thing, trying to unify all the intelligence agencies, because some are civilian and some military, and there are barriers both traditional and legal to crossing that wall.

That's a reason you can't really put FBI and CIA under DoD, FBI is your domestic intelligence group and CIA isn't chartered to do domestic, at least theoretically, and DoD isn't really supposed to operate against US citizens (or green card holders, oddly), NORTHCOM not withstanding. Trying to mush all these groups together causes conflicts due to spheres of operation.

Bored Horde: How many Americans died between 1991-2001 (not counting 9/11) during terrorist attacks? Is it more or less then the number of soldiers that have been killed since 2001?

and it only costs a few hunded thousand lives and a few trillion dollars

FTFA:"the National Security Council, and the new Homeland Security Council."

What? They sound so similar.

Bored Horde: FTA: "America's spy agencies are still hamstrung by turf battles, computer compatibility problems and financial mismanagement, five years after a major shake-up designed to avoid a repeat of the intelligence failures that failed to stop the September 11 attacks, according to a damning internal report."

Show me a single large organization that doesn't wrestle with those demons. Just. One. Example.

So maybe this means that organizations of a certain size are not the best tool for solving certain tasks. If you think idiotic bureaucratic infighting is inherent to problem solving, you should consider looking at a different scale of cooperation.

still plagued by same intelligence failures

Or as we call them, "Republicans".

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I love how the libs can't stop complaining about how President Bush's DHS is a big failure but how many times have we been attacked since then? Oh yeah, ZERO!

Sniper? No? Not good enough?

TofuTheAlmighty: Holy fark, those are awful ideas. By that logic, we should fold police and fire departments into the DoD as well.

If I am wrong, please correct me. But aren't those local and state agencies? And don't they work with the National Guard and FEMA during emergencies?

Department of Homeland Security reminds me of those dummy companies crooks set up to launder money through.