You gave us Starlight Express. Shut up, you old fool.

I believe it's more of a wretched hive of scum and villany.

...or is that just 4chan...

Tr0mBoNe: I believe it's more of a wretched hive of scum and villany.

...or is that just 4chan...

and the Politics tab

There are a lot of reasons that there will never be a band like The Beatles.
Illegal downloading is not really on the list.

Lord Lloyd-Webber said that internet service providers (ISPs) "contribute nothing to the creative industries they undermine".

In a related story, Andrew Lloyd Webber has lost touch with reality to a laughable degree.

MWA HA HA HA HA!

We don't need another band like The Beatles. We have The Beatles.

Lando : We don't need another band like The Beatles. We have The Beatles.


FTW!

Wow, illegal downloading has incredible power over the creativity of musicians. I picture a band in their garage right now, honing their skills and style, while Illegal Downloading hides in the bushes. Waiting.

Waiting.

I think Roger Waters said it best:

We cower in our shelters
With our hands over our ears
Lloyd Webber's awful stuff
Runs for years and years and years
An earthquake hits the theatre
But the operetta lingers
The the piano lid comes down
And breaks his farking fingers
It's a miracle.

SecretAgentVeggie: You gave us Starlight Express. Shut up, you old fool.

THIS.

50mm: In a related story, Andrew Lloyd Webber has lost touch with reality to a laughable degree.

And THIS.

Lando Lincoln: MWA HA HA HA HA!

We don't need another band like The Beatles. We have The Beatles.

And most especially, THIS.

Listen, Lord Andrew, take your bought title and your endless tours of "Cats" and your "Any Scream Will Do" Idol-wannabe show and get outta town. We don't need your kind here.

ToxicMunkee:
Wow, illegal downloading has incredible power over the creativity of musicians. I picture a band in their garage right now, honing their skills and style, while Illegal Downloading hides in the bushes. Waiting.

Yeah, you joke, but just the other day I heard a guy saying, "You know, I was going to be a musician, I was going to be a rock star, but these days, with all the illegal downloading, with everyone out there pirating your music, stealing the very soul from you, I just decided it would be better to be an insurance adjuster."

See what illegal downloading has done? That guy could have been the next Jimmy Hendrix or the next John Lennon, but now we'll never know. I did get a kickass discount on my auto policy, though.

ToxicMunkee: Wow, illegal downloading has incredible power over the creativity of musicians. I picture a band in their garage right now, honing their skills and style, while Illegal Downloading hides in the bushes. Waiting.

Waiting.

I LOLed.

I never thought the Beatles were that great but I do acknowledge their place in history. I never bought CDs for myself because it's two good songs and then crap to make the other band members feel like they contributed. If I hadn't have gotten them off Napster I wouldn't have bought the CD anyway. I use itunes now for everything because I can pick and choose the songs and it's $1.05.

Story certainly explains Sir Andrew's prolific career. I feel reasonably confident nobody has every illegally downloaded an ALW song.

Lord Lloyd-Webber, opening a debate on the issue, described the internet as a "Somalia of unregulated theft and piracy".

Yes, "Lord" Lloyd Webber prefers the music industry, which is regulated theft and piracy.

In other news, Andrew Lloyd Webber is still alive.

Glasgowsfinest: Yes, "Lord" Lloyd Webber prefers the music industry, which is regulated theft and piracy.

They prefer to go by the term "producers".

Andrew Lloyd-Webber has no need to worry about people illegally downloading his music.

DarthBrooks: Andrew Lloyd-Webber has no need to worry about people illegally downloading his music.

I'm listening to a downloaded copy of the Phantom of the Opera soundtrack, so I'm totally getting a kick out of these replies.

clancifer: DarthBrooks: Andrew Lloyd-Webber has no need to worry about people illegally downloading his music.

I'm listening to a downloaded copy of the Phantom of the Opera soundtrack, so I'm totally getting a kick out of these replies.

You're a thief with bad taste?

There will never be another band that "owns" pop culture the way the Beatles did, simply because there are far more sources of entertainment now than there were then. When the Beatles got here, you basically heard the bands the labels were trying to promote or you heard nothing at all. If you're only exposed to 6 bands, surprise, you're going to be inclined to prefer one of those bands.

NightOwl2255: clancifer: DarthBrooks: Andrew Lloyd-Webber has no need to worry about people illegally downloading his music.

I'm listening to a downloaded copy of the Phantom of the Opera soundtrack, so I'm totally getting a kick out of these replies.

You're a thief with bad taste?

Truly nothing wrong with that show or the music. It's some good stuff. You are just past the point of no return.

He says "a Somalia of unregulated theft and piracy" as if its a bad thing...

clancifer: NightOwl2255: clancifer: DarthBrooks: Andrew Lloyd-Webber has no need to worry about people illegally downloading his music.

I'm listening to a downloaded copy of the Phantom of the Opera soundtrack, so I'm totally getting a kick out of these replies.

You're a thief with bad taste?

Truly nothing wrong with that show or the music. It's some good stuff. You are just past the point of no return.

SecretAgentVeggie: You gave us Starlight Express

I tend to think of that as one of his better things.

50mm: In a related story, Andrew Lloyd Webber has lost touch with reality to a laughable degree.

I love how he thinks you need "creative industries" to have people create stuff.

I did not bother to read the article but can say from personal experienc that ALW hates the internet and everything about it.

Just last week he told an ex-GF of mine (the GM) he was going to be seen as a visionary in 15 years for not having a web prescence for Phantom II. (even though it will have one anyway)

Lastly, a bit of advice: never call him after lunch.

50mm: Lord Lloyd-Webber said that internet service providers (ISPs) "contribute nothing to the creative industries they undermine".

In a related story, Andrew Lloyd Webber has lost touch with reality to a laughable degree.

T.M.S.: never call him after lunch

He one of those types?

T.M.S.: he was going to be seen as a visionary in 15 years for not having a web prescence for Phantom II

also, *blink blink* I want to laugh, but I'm too dumbstruck to laugh.

T.M.S.: Just last week he told an ex-GF of mine (the GM) he was going to be seen as a visionary in 15 years for not having a web prescence for Phantom II. (even though it will have one anyway)

People out of touch with reality, take one.

T.M.S.: Lastly, a bit of advice: never call him after lunch.

What happens after lunch? Is that when he gets his daily briefings about the evil internet? Or maybe where he reaffirms his belief that music wouldn't exist without record producers' ability to profit off musicians. Wait, he's a 3 martini lunch guy, and he needs to take a nap? Am I close?

I love The Beatles. They are much better than "Cats." I'm going to see them again and again.

NightOwl2255: I think Roger Waters said it best:

We cower in our shelters
With our hands over our ears
Lloyd Webber's awful stuff
Runs for years and years and years
An earthquake hits the theatre
But the operetta lingers
The the piano lid comes down
And breaks his farking fingers
It's a miracle.

You know *why* Waters wrote that?

Because Lloyd Webber ripped off the main theme from Pink Floyd's Echoes for Phantom of the Opera... it's a total rip-job, one which is breathtaking the first time you hear it. Like hearing a Coldplay album when you've got a broad knowledge of music and pointing and shouting at the speakers - "hey! I know that song and you didn't write it, you earwax melting snork gobblers!"

Lloyd Webber is not well respected in music industry circles for that and a lot of personal "issues" - not the least of which is that he truly believes he is one of the most talented people in the history of the Earth.

I just read the wiki entry for Phantom II. If you think Hollywood has some bad ideas for sequels, ooh boy.

so if "illegal downloading" is killing creativity how does one explain Mr. Webber?farking hack. "Phantom" does not excuse you for "Cats" and "Starlight Express".

T.M.S.: he told an ex-GF of mine (the GM) he was going to be seen as a visionary in 15 years for not having a web prescence for Phantom II.

It's the least he could do for us.

Andrew Lloyd Webber has no room to call ANYBODY a thief:

Link

Actually, the Phantom II: Electric Boogaloo site launched a couple of weeks ago, at loveneverdies.com. All it is, really, is a compilation of every tweet mentioning "Phantom of the Opera" or Lord Andy's name. Every now and then something not particularly kind slips in, which is awesome.

Between the Phantom sequel (Zombie Evita would have been a better idea) and the illegal downloading rant, it sure sounds like Lord Andy invested all his money with Madoff.


/I made this!

spleef420: "Phantom" does not excuse you for "Cats" and "Starlight Express".

Well he did also do Jesus Christ Superstar, which makes up for a lot.

Trixie Firecracker: /I made this!

Well done!

paulseta: Because Lloyd Webber ripped off the main theme from Pink Floyd's Echoes for Phantom of the Opera

There is an old saying: Good artists borrow. Great artists steal.

paulseta: NightOwl2255:
You know *why* Waters wrote that?

Because Lloyd Webber ripped off the main theme from Pink Floyd's Echoes for Phantom of the Opera... it's a total rip-job, one which is breathtaking the first time you hear it. Like hearing a Coldplay album when you've got a broad knowledge of music and pointing and shouting at the speakers - "hey! I know that song and you didn't write it, you earwax melting snork gobblers!"

Lloyd Webber is not well respected in music industry circles for that and a lot of personal "issues" - not the least of which is that he truly believes he is one of the most talented people in the history of the Earth.

Yeah, first time I heard Echoes I thought "Hey, Phantom!" but then I checked the chronology and I was like lulz. But in all fairness, I know most non-musicians wouldn't know but it's just four descending chromatic 16th notes into the root, it's not like either are that creative or revolutionary.

But sure, Pink Floyd rulez and Webber droolz!!!11

madmann: There will never be another band that "owns" pop culture the way the Beatles did, simply because there are far more sources of entertainment now than there were then. When the Beatles got here, you basically heard the bands the labels were trying to promote or you heard nothing at all. If you're only exposed to 6 bands, surprise, you're going to be inclined to prefer one of those bands.

this.

I think, at worst, downloading will prevent the "handful of few huge acts" that seem to be the norm in the music business. Saying the downloads will somehow dissuade anyone from making music is beyond laughable and I question acts motives if they will give up music because they can't turn a buck as big as Zeppelin.

Up until the 1980's you could go to a good concert for about $20. $100 for a front row seat.

Now standard concert ticket prices are several hundred to thousands of dollars.

Live concerts used to be about promoting records. Now records are all about promoting live concerts. I'm OK with that arrangement.

SwingingJohnson: Up until the 1980's you could go to a good concert for about $20. $100 for a front row seat.

Now standard concert ticket prices are several hundred to thousands of dollars.

Live concerts used to be about promoting records. Now records are all about promoting live concerts. I'm OK with that arrangement.

I feel that a true artist would be very happy that people appreciate his or her art regardless of how record sales go, considering that the music industry is so farked right now (digital distribution, while poorer quality than a CD, is such a win, but labels still think it's appropriate to charge $25 for a three year old album. THEY DON'T GET IT.)

MadSkillz: SwingingJohnson: Up until the 1980's you could go to a good concert for about $20. $100 for a front row seat.

Now standard concert ticket prices are several hundred to thousands of dollars.

Live concerts used to be about promoting records. Now records are all about promoting live concerts. I'm OK with that arrangement.

I feel that a true artist would be very happy that people appreciate his or her art regardless of how record sales go, considering that the music industry is so farked right now (digital distribution, while poorer quality than a CD, is such a win, but labels still think it's appropriate to charge $25 for a three year old album. THEY DON'T GET IT.)

And selling millions of records didn't help the Beatles creatively.

They became a tight band from playing little clubs in Germany working hard & sweating every night.

If anything huge fortunes stifled their creativity. We can thank LSD combined with their years of playing tight for the great creativity they came up with for just a few albums until they broke up. (I'm more of a post Rubber Soul Beatle fan)

Actually, one could argue that overly repressive copyright laws actually stifle creativity. I mean, how many sixties bands that turned out to be great started as ripoffs of Chuck Berry or other artists who came before them?

'illegal downloading' is the natural market response to CD prices: the market thinks they're too high. Lower prices to something reasonable (especially given the outrageous price of concerts these days) and they might get somewhere.

wilde_at_heart: Actually, one could argue that overly repressive copyright laws actually stifle creativity. I mean, how many sixties bands that turned out to be great started as ripoffs of Chuck Berry or other artists who came before them?

'illegal downloading' is the natural market response to CD prices: the market thinks they're too high. Lower prices to something reasonable (especially given the outrageous price of concerts these days) and they might get somewhere.

John Fogerty of CCR is a sad example of that. All those great songs he wrote with Credence and he got ripped off for everly last dime. Not one penny has he made from any of those classic CCR records. (Besides playing them live for ticket buyers)

I saw Nazareth, Blue Oyster Cult and Cold Blood for $4.00 at the Paramount Theater in Seattle. Cold Blood was the headliner.

i actually agree. as illegal downloading increases, labels will deteriorate. sure, that sounds fine, but what it ultimately means is that talent will no longer be scouted and supported. everything will be diy. instead of being able to promote through touring, bands will instead rely on the internet. more and more bands will form, but none will rise, and people will basically be listening to nothing but their own local scene.

also, the increasing availability of music makes listeners have a much shorter attention span. if people do not love something after listening for the first 30 seconds, then they will move on to the next because there is so much more stuff to listen to that has more of an immediate effect. when people had to buy their albums it was an event.

personally, many of my favorite all time albums were albums that i had to absorb, and then i grew to love them. when you can have any music you want, you look for cheap thrills. i dont know though, this is just me.

by the way, i am 25, so i am happy to invite you all to my lawn to listen to some mars volta, big star, the anniversary, (old) weezer, superdrag, and queens of the stone age.

The shiat is so deep in this thread, I half expected find mushrooms growing at the bottom of it.

yeah there will never be a band like the beatles
cuz there are too many bands like the beatles

cuz the beatles happened in action and reaction
to the time they happened to happen

it aint rocket science
to figure out why you can't go back
to a less complicated scenario

when the universe is expanding.

/john, i'm here for you buddy
//yes, they're all idiots.