Oh, my achin' head.

Is this tool honestly so damn short-sighted that he's letting his own ego and petulant animosity towards Al hamstring the entire state, and by extension, the entire country? Even if he were to pull out a "victory" by some grand miracle, does he REALLY not understand that people have long memories? That they'd remember his obstructionist tantrum-throwing and naked, shameless hypocrisy once election time rolls around again? What a f*cking moron, seriously. He's making us all look like idiots up here.

I really wish there were some provision in place that would just allow Amy Klobuchar to vote twice for as long as this drags on, just to rub it his stupid, plastic-toothed face just how futile his whining is. I am seriously about two days away from burning some vacation time to go and stand on his lawn with a big sign that says, "HEY, NORM...REMEMBER "THE HEALING?" LET IT BEGIN, YOU UNBELIEVABLE SCHMUCK."

But... I thought Republicans were the party of financial responsibility?

This is costing Minnesota millions of dollars, and the judges and lawyers and clerks all dealing with it are being kept from handling things like, oh, criminals.

It isn't ego. It is hardball politics. It is big stakes politics.

Every day that Franken is not in the Senate voting with the Democrats makes it just that much easier for them to have an effect on the agenda.

Coleman and his team knows he is never going to win, and have known it for a long time.

MaxxLarge: Oh, my achin' head.

Is this tool honestly so damn short-sighted that he's letting his own ego and petulant animosity towards Al hamstring the entire state, and by extension, the entire country? Even if he were to pull out a "victory" by some grand miracle, does he REALLY not understand that people have long memories? That they'd remember his obstructionist tantrum-throwing and naked, shameless hypocrisy once election time rolls around again? What a f*cking moron, seriously. He's making us all look like idiots up here.

I really wish there were some provision in place that would just allow Amy Klobuchar to vote twice for as long as this drags on, just to rub it his stupid, plastic-toothed face just how futile his whining is. I am seriously about two days away from burning some vacation time to go and stand on his lawn with a big sign that says, "HEY, NORM...REMEMBER "THE HEALING?" LET IT BEGIN, YOU UNBELIEVABLE SCHMUCK."

Repeated for THIS-nes.

AntiNerd: It isn't ego. It is hardball politics. It is big stakes politics.

Every day that Franken is not in the Senate voting with the Democrats makes it just that much easier for them to have an effect on the agenda.

Coleman and his team knows he is never going to win, and have known it for a long time.

Are they really that stupid? The Dems have a large enough majority that one congressman isn't going to make an effective difference.

All this will do is ensure that Coleman isn't re-elected because (hopefully) Minnesotans will see how stupid this is.

Norm Coleman is farkin' metal, though.

I am shocked that the Republican party would spend millions of dollars to deny MN its elected senator for as many months as possible since the election didn't go their way. Shocked.

Of course, if Franken is now calling for Coleman to just give it up already, he's a hypocrite too.

AntiNerd: It isn't ego. It is hardball politics. It is big stakes politics.

Every day that Franken is not in the Senate voting with the Democrats makes it just that much easier for them to have an effect on the agenda.

Coleman and his team knows he is never going to win, and have known it for a long time.

When Al finally is seated, I hope he throws any restraint of payback to the winds. This should be like Sherman's march to the sea.

I shall serve tea and lovely biscuits.

Regardless of people's opinions on this story, the headline really cannot be faulted.

Left and Righ-wing Partisan hack heads explode nationwide.

elchip: Of course, if Franken is now calling for Coleman to just give it up already, he's a hypocrite too.

Not really. Republicans and Democrats alike agree that Coleman's complaint is meritless. His own lawyer admits that Coleman can't win. We've now been through the entire recount process, overseen by people politically sympathetic to Coleman, and all that's happened is that Franken has picked up more votes. The argument is not "no recount versus indefinite recount." The argument is "Full and complete recount versus indefinite recount."

PC LOAD LETTER: What Al Coleman may look like:

Quick and dirty:

The Senate is the States' house (recall that, before Wilson, Senators were appointed by state legislatures, not by popular vote). The governor (the state's highest executive official) must certify the election in order for the candidate to be seated. In Roland Burris' case, the Senate was trying to block him from being seated (i.e. the state had discharged its electoral duty, but the federal house wasn't playing by the rules); but here, it is solely the state's issue (since it's a state-wide election at issue).

How does this become an issue for the federal courts?

Der Vassermeister: This should be like Sherman's march to the sea.

We need another one of these.

/Zombie Tecumseh Sherman, risen from the grave to eat southern brains
//'course, he'd starve to death down there.

I'm not surprised by this, nor should anyone else be. The GOP has a vested interest in stalling the inevitability of a filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

MugzyBrown: Left and Righ-wing Partisan hack heads explode nationwide.

Actually, no, they don't. Nobody cares any more.

I think we can all agree. It's time for Rod Blagojevich to appoint a new senator for Minnesota for the good of the nation.

Yes! Appeal, appeal, appeal!!!

So.. sounds like Franken gets certified once Coleman gets shot down by the state Supreme Court.. and all the litigation that will undoubtedly ensue afterward in federal courts will be nothing but background whining.

Yeah this makes the cons look real good.

Smart move.

Of course you'll get a few of the hard right nuts that think this is just fine but they aren't a barometer for what ordinary voters think.

After all they thought Bush was a great prez.

This is only about preventing the Dems from having a 59th vote in the Senate, which puts them 1 vote from a filibuster proof majority. Principles of representation of the people of MN be damned, this is about politics. Shenanigans like this should help the Dems keep making the case for retaining power.

>> Quick and dirty:

Fast an bulbous mascara snake.

I think he should, the novelty of all this is fun.

Maybe they're as surprised as the rest of the country that MN would actually vote a douche like Stuart Smalley into office?

/I'm good enough.
//I'm smart enough.
///And gosh darn it, people like me!

Lord_Baull: I'm not surprised by this, nor should anyone else be. The GOP has a vested interest in stalling the inevitability of a filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

That's the Republican way. America Party first.

I predict that this will not bode well for ANY Minnesota Republican in 2010, and may even hurt them nationwide. Perhaps the crazy rural areas won't be affected, but this kind of thing has a habit of coming back and biting certain parties. Especially after the example of Gore and Kerry conceding when they had a better case than Coleman. Minnesota at least will never, EVER, give Coleman another chance at anything after he is finally smacked down.

This reminds me of the Terri Schivo case. While that alone did not help the Democrats win in 2006, it was one of the nails in the coffin and, at the very least, was when the pendulum began swinging the other way.

I guess Norm doesn't like the shoes.

obzerver 2009-04-01 11:24:40 AM
Lord_Baull: I'm not surprised by this, nor should anyone else be. The GOP has a vested interest in stalling the inevitability of a filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

That's the Republican way. Party first.

I guess the silver lining is more and more people are beginning to realize this.


Mo0kish 2009-04-01 11:24:09 AM
Maybe they're as surprised as the rest of the country that MN would actually vote a douche like Stuart Smalley into office?

Who's more of a douche? Stuart Smalley or the guy that lost to Stuart Smalley?

MaxxLarge: Oh, my achin' head.

Is this tool honestly so damn short-sighted that he's letting his own ego and petulant animosity towards Al hamstring the entire state, and by extension, the entire country? Even if he were to pull out a "victory" by some grand miracle, does he REALLY not understand that people have long memories?"

I don't know: The Supreme Court handed Bush the presidency and nobody seems to give a sh*t about that, so I guess Coleman is using a "tried and true" strategy.

heinekenftw: Are they really that stupid? The Dems have a large enough majority that one congressman isn't going to make an effective difference.


It's a huge difference. IIRC, they now need to bring over 3 Republicans to overcome a filibuster. To use one example, that 3d Republican (not remember who it was) who they got to vote for the stimulus package did so at a considerable price. With Franken in office the Dems could have passed a different bill.

soporific:

This reminds me of the Terri Schiavo case....

Augh that whole Schiavo CF still ticks me off. Wont forget that for a long time.

Mo0kish: Maybe they're as surprised as the rest of the country that MN would actually vote a douche like Stuart Smalley into office?

You probably think that Reagan was actually the "Gipper".

Mo0kish: Maybe they're as surprised as the rest of the country that MN would actually vote a douche like Stuart Smalley into office?

that should tell you a lot about Coleman.

MaxxLarge: Oh, my achin' head.

Is this tool honestly so damn short-sighted that he's letting his own ego and petulant animosity towards Al hamstring the entire state, and by extension, the entire country? Even if he were to pull out a "victory" by some grand miracle, does he REALLY not understand that people have long memories? That they'd remember his obstructionist tantrum-throwing and naked, shameless hypocrisy once election time rolls around again? What a f*cking moron, seriously. He's making us all look like idiots up here.

I really wish there were some provision in place that would just allow Amy Klobuchar to vote twice for as long as this drags on, just to rub it his stupid, plastic-toothed face just how futile his whining is. I am seriously about two days away from burning some vacation time to go and stand on his lawn with a big sign that says, "HEY, NORM...REMEMBER "THE HEALING?" LET IT BEGIN, YOU UNBELIEVABLE SCHMUCK."

Worst limerick ever.

captainktainer: elchip: Of course, if Franken is now calling for Coleman to just give it up already, he's a hypocrite too.

Not really. Republicans and Democrats alike agree that Coleman's complaint is meritless. His own lawyer admits that Coleman can't win. We've now been through the entire recount process, overseen by people politically sympathetic to Coleman, and all that's happened is that Franken has picked up more votes. The argument is not "no recount versus indefinite recount." The argument is "Full and complete recount versus indefinite recount."

Not entirely true. Coleman's argument isn't that he won with current standards, it's that the standards for ballot certification were different from locality to locality. He's asking for uniform standards to be applied to every voting district. This does have a possibility of changing vote outcomes. It's a valid legal challenge and Minnesota law states that the election can't be certified till all legal avenues have been exhausted.

tallgywithglasseson: Qick and dirty:

HAHA and I didn't even mean to pt *Al* Coleman, it was a slip bt it probably applies both directions anyway (bt more to NC)

cetacei: Yes! Appeal, appeal, appeal!!!

I'm sure you can see a difference between appealing to get the recount and appealing after getting the recount result.

MyRandomName: captainktainer: elchip: Of course, if Franken is now calling for Coleman to just give it up already, he's a hypocrite too.

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Not entirely true. Coleman's argument isn't that he won with current standards, it's that the standards for ballot certification were different from locality to locality. He's asking for uniform standards to be applied to every voting district. This does have a possibility of changing vote outcomes. It's a valid legal challenge and Minnesota law states that the election can't be certified till all legal avenues have been exhausted.

Now would he care had he won? I'll answer. NO.

MyRandomName: Now that he's behind..He's asking for uniform standards to be applied to every voting district.

MyRandomName: captainktainer: elchip: Of course, if Franken is now calling for Coleman to just give it up already, he's a hypocrite too.

Not really. Republicans and Democrats alike agree that Coleman's complaint is meritless. His own lawyer admits that Coleman can't win. We've now been through the entire recount process, overseen by people politically sympathetic to Coleman, and all that's happened is that Franken has picked up more votes. The argument is not "no recount versus indefinite recount." The argument is "Full and complete recount versus indefinite recount."

Not entirely true. Coleman's argument isn't that he won with current standards, it's that the standards for ballot certification were different from locality to locality. He's asking for uniform standards to be applied to every voting district. This does have a possibility of changing vote outcomes. It's a valid legal challenge and Minnesota law states that the election can't be certified till all legal avenues have been exhausted.

Seeing that the recount process was overseen by both Coleman's and Al Franken's camps, I failed to see how this applied. The biatching on this issue should have come before the recount started, not after.

0Icky0: Mo0kish: Maybe they're as surprised as the rest of the country that MN would actually vote a douche like Stuart Smalley into office?

You probably think that Reagan was actually the "Gipper".

I'm a firm supporter of George Gipps' political policies. I'm not sure who this "Reagan" character you refer to is however.

Politicians' moral stances are based on whatever will benefit them most at any given time. More at 11.

Howie made it, I'll never know.

heinekenftw: Der Vassermeister: This should be like Sherman's march to the sea.

We need another one of these.

/Zombie Tecumseh Sherman, risen from the grave to eat southern brains
//'course, he'd starve to death down there.

Guess what buddy, just because you live north of the mason dixon line, that doesn't make you inherently better or smarter or really anything. But painting a broad swath of your own fellow countrymen as inferior or stupid because of the geographic location in which they live does make you an arrogant jackass. So wear that with pride.

As to the article, give up already Coleman. You lost and Franken won. Get over it and stop being a sore loser.

Attention Conservatives/Republicans/GOP:

THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Your constant "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude is what CONTINUES to make you look like farking assholes!

Third Day Mark: Attention Conservatives/Republicans/GOP Every Politician Ever:

THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Your constant "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude is what CONTINUES to make you look like farking assholes!

FTFY

I'm glad Coleman is doing his part for image the GOP. Keep up the good work.