Kevin Smith now has a premise for Clerks III.

News flash: People will rip you off any way they think they can.

I can't say to blame them. Working for minimal wages tend to make people want to screw the system more.

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What if your lottery sales clerk said your ticket was a loser ... and lied?
5 store workers, 3 others charged in Twin Cities sting
By Maricella Miranda
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Updated: 03/27/2009 11:15:32 PM CDT

Your job is to verify lottery tickets.

Someone has just handed you a ticket worth thousands of dollars.

Would you pocket it and cash it yourself?

Clerks at five Twin Cities stores did just that during the Minnesota State Lottery's first compliance test, authorities said. The clerks and three accomplices now face felony charges of lottery fraud.

"(We) really need our retailers to be honest and to have their employees do it right every time," said state lottery director Clint Harris.

The stings took place last December and January at 186 randomly selected metro stores, Harris said. Undercover agents would ask clerks to verify the specially constructed crossword game scratch-offs as winners. The prizes ranged from $7,000 to $21,000.

"Our goal was to find out how people would handle those tickets, and what instructions they would give," said John Willems, director of alcohol and gambling enforcement for the Minnesota Department of Public Safety, which had agents help with the sting.

Lottery tickets worth more than $600 must be verified and cashed in at lottery headquarters - which is what the clerks were supposed to tell the undercover agents. But a few are accused of saying the tickets were losers and offering to toss them. Those clerks then tried pocketing the winnings by cashing the tickets at lottery headquarters themselves, sometimes by using an accomplice.

Fewer than 3 percent of the clerks involved in the sting violated the law.

"To me, that's somewhat positive," said Harris, who noted a similar test in California found 18 percent of 450 stores checked broke the law. "It would be great if we can get to zero."

Representatives of the five stores either refused to comment or could not be reached by phone Friday.

The eight suspects charged with felonies by the Ramsey County attorney's office also could not be reached. If convicted, each charge carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

Stores that failed the compliance test could face administrative action by the state lottery, including having their lottery ticket sales suspended or their contracts canceled.

Lottery officials also plan to make more Minnesota retailers aware of the tests.

While buying lottery tickets at a downtown St. Paul convenience store Friday, Gregg Draper, of St. Paul, said he wasn't surprised by the news. If he had a winning ticket for several hundred dollars, he wouldn't bother going to a store, but directly to Lottery headquarters.

"There's some shady people," he said.

Minnesota's compliance check was part of an effort to uphold the state lottery's commitment to ensure players receive the correct prizes, to ensure retailers are meeting expectations when selling lottery tickets and to protect the games, Harris said.

"From our standpoint, it is an effective program," Willems said. "The overwhelming majority of people out there did the right thing. It is our intention to continue."

Maricella Miranda can be reached at 651-228-5421.

THE ACCUSED

Store clerks and accomplices charged with fraud after a Minnesota State Lottery compliance check:

# Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

# Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

# Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

# Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

# Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis

To avoid lottery scams at the store:

# Sign the back of a winning ticket before trying to cash it.

# Use an electronic ticket checker, if available at the store, to verify the ticket and winnings.

Source: Minnesota State Lottery

Michigan has been putting self scanners at all retailers because this was becoming such a problem.

Most lottery machines now play a little jingle when you've won, like a MIDI of "we're in the money" and displays your winnings on an LED screen.

Its actually very difficult to cheat the customer, and most lottery clerks, which I was for 3 years, wouldnt do that because its a state and federal offense.

Maybe its different in MN, but here in SD there are 2 randomly placed letters on the card. If the letters match you're a winner!

Merltech: I can't say to blame them. Working for minimal wages tend to make people want to screw the system more.

yeah, but these poopsters weren't trying to screw the system. they were trying to screw the small man.

Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis

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One of these names just don't belong...

char_boy: Kevin Smith now has a premise for Clerks III.

wht start with a premis now?

calbert:
THE ACCUSED

Store clerks and accomplices charged with fraud after a Minnesota State Lottery compliance check:

# Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

# Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

# Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

# Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

# Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis



I'm not sure if it says something about the accused, our system, or the availability of crappy jobs to immigrants the fact that all but 1 of those names sounded Islamic..

calbert: for others who may be having trouble:

No, the rest of use know how to use the internet.

Nancy Ahmed Youssef

Nancy?

MindStalker: calbert:
THE ACCUSED

Store clerks and accomplices charged with fraud after a Minnesota State Lottery compliance check:

# Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

# Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

# Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

# Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

# Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis



I'm not sure if it says something about the accused, our system, or the availability of crappy jobs to immigrants the fact that all but 1 of those names sounded Islamic..

It also might say more about the integrity of native Minnesotans. Their state had a 3% failure rate, but there was an 18% failure rate in Cali. It'd be interesting to see the difference.

Brockway: Merltech 2009-03-29 03:09:00 PM:

I can't say to blame them. Working for minimal wages tend to make people want to screw the system more.

Spoken like a true criminal who doesn't have any talent or work ethic who will invariably be living off my dime in prison in years to come. Congrats, asshat.

Wrong, I don't work on capital hill... so try again.

Serves you right for taking part in the cystic pustule of society that is lotteries. How stupid can you be?

The Lottery is just state sponsored robbery that exploits the dumbest and poorest so what's the big deal? All these people have to do is say "I did it for the Kids!" and everything is OK. Then they can put the money into their general fund.

Seriously, I thought the whole idea behind the lottery is to steal the poor's money. The only people dumber than those buying the tickets are those spending the proceeds.

JuddyBuddy77: Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis

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One of these names just don't belong...


Apparently it does, but it's telling that you'd think otherwise.


MindStalker: calbert:
THE ACCUSED

Store clerks and accomplices charged with fraud after a Minnesota State Lottery compliance check:

# Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

# Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

# Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

# Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

# Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis



I'm not sure if it says something about the accused, our system, or the availability of crappy jobs to immigrants the fact that all but 1 of those names sounded Islamic..


That's funny, cause only Youssef and Mohamed seem to be Islamic names, the other names represent India and diverse other nations. I'd say your observations say more about you.

I couldn't care less. If you play the lottery you're a moran. And if you are too stupid to know how to verify that you have indeed won a prize you need to jump off a cliff.

ZurkisPhreek: JuddyBuddy77: Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis

--

One of these names just don't belong...


Apparently it does, but it's telling that you'd think otherwise.


MindStalker: calbert:
THE ACCUSED

Store clerks and accomplices charged with fraud after a Minnesota State Lottery compliance check:

# Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

# Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

# Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

# Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

# Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis



I'm not sure if it says something about the accused, our system, or the availability of crappy jobs to immigrants the fact that all but 1 of those names sounded Islamic..


That's funny, cause only Youssef and Mohamed seem to be Islamic names, the other names represent India and diverse other nations. I'd say your observations say more about you.

Which is why I also said "the availability of crappy jobs for immigrants" meaning if your an immigrant your more likely to end up working at 7-11 than anything..

There was quite the shake up in recent years with Ontario Lotteries here in Canuckland, there were a disproportionate amount of lotto retailers claiming winnings and a few lawsuits won/settled from people running kiosks and LOG stations screwing over customers.

Since then there have been revamped announcements and amendments to laws enacted and more on the way and tickets that can't touch a retailer's hands unless it is signed by the player right on the front as well as self-serve ticket checking scanners.

It's all just crap anyway, the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math (thanks to George Carlin's "BrainDroppings" book for that wisdom).

The End is Near: Merltech: Wrong, I don't work on capital hill... so try again.

When you defend the indefensible, you are on the same level as the offender.

Even defense lawyers don't argue such nonsense. There are many ways the poor get screwed over, but that does not justify screwing over another person. Never.

It's called greed. People are generally greedy and that is the reason why the country is in a recession. That is why people do this type of stuff.

Of course your defense lawyers will help save the richest, being thats what they get paid to do.

No turn is left unstoned.

/obscure?

The End is Near: Merltech: It's called greed. People are generally greedy and that is the reason why the country is in a recession. That is why people do this type of stuff.

Of course your defense lawyers will help save the richest, being thats what they get paid to do.

I fully agree with this post. I've been blaming our collective greed as the source of our ills for quite a while now.

However, I ask you go back and re-read your Boobies in this thread. You defended and rationalized that behavior. Perhaps that wasn't your intention, but the words do speak for themselves.

You said you didn't "blame" them. You should. There is no one else to blame BUT them.

But what made them this way?

Merltech: The End is Near: Merltech: It's called greed. People are generally greedy and that is the reason why the country is in a recession. That is why people do this type of stuff.

Of course your defense lawyers will help save the richest, being thats what they get paid to do.

I fully agree with this post. I've been blaming our collective greed as the source of our ills for quite a while now.

However, I ask you go back and re-read your Boobies in this thread. You defended and rationalized that behavior. Perhaps that wasn't your intention, but the words do speak for themselves.

You said you didn't "blame" them. You should. There is no one else to blame BUT them.

But what made them this way?

oh I don't know, idolatry?

Fewer than 3 percent of the clerks involved in the sting violated the law.

I think that's very good.

/would have expected more like 25%. You know they made the undercover guy look like a doped-out retard, and here's ten grand in the pocket of the clerk.

Wha? In Maine, they run your ticket through a machine, and if it's a winner, you hear, DING! "You're a winner!" If Maine has this technology, how farkin' hard can it be?

If you can't figure out if you won, you shouldn't be playing.

JuddyBuddy77: Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis

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One of these names just don't belong...

Not a whole lot of John Smiths or Debbie Jones there, huh?

//Jus' sayin'

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Degenza>: Meritech: The End is Near: Meritech: It's called greed. People are generally greedy and that is the reason why the country is in a recession. That is why people do this type of stuff.

Of course your defense lawyers will help save the richest, being that's what they get paid to do.

I fully agree with this post. I've been blaming our collective greed as the source of our ills for quite a while now.

However, I ask you go back and re-read your Boobies in this thread. You defended and rationalized that behavior. Perhaps that wasn't your intention, but the words do speak for themselves.

You said you didn't "blame" them. You should. There is no one else to blame BUT them.

But what made them this way?

oh I don't know, idolatry?

Is it curable?

John Buck 41: JuddyBuddy77: Asgaralli Ali, 47, of Minneapolis, and Jairam Shiwmangal, 45, of Minneapolis, at Sunset Market, 10130 Sunset Ave. in Circle Pines

Jaideep Singh, 19, of Columbia Heights, and Harpreet Kaur Virk, 22, of San Francisco, at Easy Way Foods, 2820 Johnson St. N.E. in Minneapolis

Nancy Ahmed Youssef, 31, and Mohamed S. Ahmed, 37, both of Coon Rapids, at University Market, 308 37th Ave. N.E. in Columbia Heights

Susan Lynn Hanna, 48, of Vadnais Heights, at River Country Cooperative, 1180 N. Concord St. in South St. Paul

Majdi Elias Almadien, 38, of Apple Valley, at SS BP, 4553 Nicollet Ave. S. in Minneapolis

--

One of these names just don't belong...

Not a whole lot of John Smiths or Debbie Jones there, huh?

//Jus' sayin'

No Tyrone Washingtons or Keisha Jacksons either. What's your point?

John Buck 41: Wha? In Maine, they run your ticket through a machine, and if it's a winner, you hear, DING! "You're a winner!" If Maine has this technology, how farkin' hard can it be?

We have that in Oklahoma , And if we have it ,,,,Well you know.

Merltech: Degenza>: Meritech: The End is Near: Meritech: It's called greed. People are generally greedy and that is the reason why the country is in a recession. That is why people do this type of stuff.

Of course your defense lawyers will help save the richest, being that's what they get paid to do.

I fully agree with this post. I've been blaming our collective greed as the source of our ills for quite a while now.

However, I ask you go back and re-read your Boobies in this thread. You defended and rationalized that behavior. Perhaps that wasn't your intention, but the words do speak for themselves.

You said you didn't "blame" them. You should. There is no one else to blame BUT them.

But what made them this way?

oh I don't know, idolatry?

Is it curable?

Yes, but you have to rip out your eyeballs.

The End is Near: Degenz: oh I don't know, idolatry?

That's one of many things, and part of a larger picture.

I don't like Ann Coulter, but she got one thing right: The problem with this country is godlessness and the pursuit of material wealth and possessions that don't matter. What she misses is that it's just as true about a substantial portion of self-professed believers as it is about atheist leftists. That street goes both ways.

Not a AC fan but would dry F her in the A. Oh Yes whos your Daddy biatch!!!

Merltech:

Oh yea, how the hell did I become Degenza?

/kinda has a nice ring to it

The End is Near:

Dood, the evangelism tab is further to the right. Waaaaay further to the right.

The End is Near: Degenz: Dood, the evangelism tab is further to the right. Waaaaay further to the right.

It's wherever I'm allowed to say what I want.

If you think I'm wrong, if you think you know better, if you think that my words ring untrue, that is, with all due respect, your own problem.

I don't say these things to browbeat or to make myself feel better. I say them because they need to be said.

If what I say bothers you, it would be a good idea to look inside yourself and ask why it does so. Scary, I know.

So, you are right, you cannot possibly be in the wrong, and if anyone thinks you are wrong, that only proves that they are obviously the ones who are wrong.

You know, if you mean to set yourself up as an example or teacher, a little humility might suit you better.

Yeah! Some good latent racism being gently warmed. So much ignorance!
Where I'm from 90% of "clerks" are Asian (indian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani typically) Maybe 2% of Asians are clerks.
Only one of these countries are ISLAMIC and the rest are hindu or sikh predominantly.
Regardless of this the reason for these crimes, the BLAME, lies with the society that runs lotteries, which steal from the ignorant impoverished proletariat.
There is no no-it-all cure, so you have to swallow your indignation and get on with your life in the sick sick system.
Orwell described lotteries similarly and he knew more than you.

"crappy jobs for immigrants". my asse. They own the store, bought with cheap loans and gifts good only for them..
Your pitty pool is so stupid.

The End is Near: Degenz: Dood, the evangelism tab is further to the right. Waaaaay further to the right.

It's wherever I'm allowed to say what I want.

If you think I'm wrong, if you think you know better, if you think that my words ring untrue, that is, with all due respect, your own problem.

I don't say these things to browbeat or to make myself feel better. I say them because they need to be said.

If what I say bothers you, it would be a good idea to look inside yourself and ask why it does so. Scary, I know.

If I thought you were trolling we could have fun with this. Since you are obviously serious about proslytizing on a web site that mocks everybody and everything, especially religion, I'm going to ignore you and let someone else do the dirty work. I'm not in the mood today.

ViperTomcat: Most lottery machines now play a little jingle when you've won, like a MIDI of "we're in the money" and displays your winnings on an LED screen.

Its actually very difficult to cheat the customer, and most lottery clerks, which I was for 3 years, wouldnt do that because its a state and federal offense.

Might be harder for the clerk to rob you, but it sounds like things have been made a bit easier for the thugs waiting by the door.

The End is Near: As I said, I don't deny being a hypocrite. I just ask you to see that such status doesn't detract from what I say, and if you let it do so, you are guilty of a logical fallacy and the desire to continue thinking and living in the way that you do.

Your hypocrisy does not so much detract from what you say as make you an unreliable source of information. I tend to disagree with almost everything you do say. But I'm not telling you that my ideas are home truths and that if you disagree with me it's out of fear.

<shrug> We all have the right to say what we think. It's when we talk about others' reactions to our thoughts in derrogatory terms that it gets obnoxious.

Oh, my turn! My turn!

Hey, The End is Near, I don't make burgers where you are then come there and tell you how I make burgers! So maybe your burgers shouldn't suck so much, huh? BAM!

Congratulations! You have won a large Slurpee! Thank you and come again...

Brockway: Merltech 2009-03-29 03:20:47 PM:

Wrong, I don't work on capital hill... so try again.

Perhaps you mean Capitol Hill? I guess we can also assume you don't work as an English teacher.

/maybe start with shorter words, and work your way up to the really big ones

Only the finest education.

Degenz: Merltech:

Oh yea, how the hell did I become Degenza?

/kinda has a nice ring to it

Fark try's harder?

Brockway: Merltech 2009-03-29 03:20:47 PM:

Wrong, I don't work on capital hill... so try again.

Perhaps you mean Capitol Hill? I guess we can also assume you don't work as an English teacher.

/maybe start with shorter words, and work your way up to the really big ones

Actually, I like the idea of Capital Hill. They are running some of our banks now.

What assholes. I was really excited when I handed a customer his (about) $7500 winner and told him to sign it. It was a real Charlie and the Chocolate Factory kind of moment for me. He came back and tipped well also.

What self-centered kind of farker would steal like that from someone?

Asgaralli Ali and
Jairam Shiwmangal- this pair has one likely Indian Muslim and one Hindu or other, non- islamic Indian.

Jaideep Singh and
Harpreet Kaur Virk- These are both Sikh names (Sikhs almost always have "Kaur" or "Singh" in their names.

Nancy Ahmed Youssef
Mohamed S. Ahmed- Obvious Muslim man, likely Muslim convert woman. This is in Minnesota- wonder if he's middle eastern or Somali.

Susan Lynn Hanna American white chick.

Majdi Elias Almadien Some sort of Middle Eastern name. Could be Muslim, might not be.

Most of these stores sound like inner- city carryouts, which overwhemingly are owned by Indian and Middle Eastern people, and most employees will be Indian, Middle Eastern, or African immigrants in areas with high populations of them. Since I'm sure that the agency tested hundreds of these markets, this list of names doesn't say a thing about the cultures of the people named, other than that the majority of immigrants tested passed and were honest. It DOES say a lot about human nature, and that greed crosses national boundaries. I'm sure that responses in here also will assume that "It's them dirty immigrants!!!!" Of course most of these names are Immigrant names. They tested stores where the vast majority of employees are immigrants from those countries. If they'd tested stores staffed mostly by white hillbillies, the accused would mostly have names like "James Robert (Jim Bob) Williams" and "Nadine Ann Smith."