'I'm no boy racer or Lewis Hamilton. I'm a 67-year-old man in an 86-year-old car.'

Yes, over the limit in a built up area in a car with non-standard controls and barely any brakes. Genius.

Experts said today that motorists owning cars built before 1937 are allowed to drive without a speedometer and the devices are not required to pass an MOT.

Passing the MoT != Road legal

VOSA:

"A motor vehicle which capable of being driven at a speed exceeding 20 mph is required to be fitted with a speedometer [Regulation 35(2)(c) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended.]"

The Daily Mail, it's not news...it's just not news.

FarkinNortherner

While I don't know that aspect of British law, American equipment laws do not apply to cars sold before the rule goes into affect. Old cars do not need turn signals, seat belts, etc.

Proposals to forcibly retire old cars are met with extreme resistance. California, for example, wanted to scrap every car over 25 years old as a pollution risk.

This is just dumb.

This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

Grandpa Walton pops the clutch and tells the world to "EAT MY DUST!!!"

It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

ZAZ: While I don't know that aspect of British law, American equipment laws do not apply to cars sold before the rule goes into affect. Old cars do not need turn signals, seat belts, etc.

Lots of construction and use regulations do only apply if the device is fitted to the car, but there seems to be a widespread assumption that the legislation, originally brought into law in 1937, doesn't apply to cars from before 1937 in any way. That doesn't appear to be the case based on VOSA's view, and hasn't been supported by the outcome of this case.

/still struggling to raise sympathy for someone doing 35 in a 30 in a Model T

CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

Especially since no cop I know would give a ticket for 35 in a 30. Or even 40 in a 30.

Since when did the Brits go to MPH? I always thought they used KPH.

Legally, it was 100% his fault. Just because he had no idea how fast he was going doesn't make it any less illegal. Combine that with the fact that speed cameras really don't care (or have a way to care) about who they tag, as long as someone's plate gets photographed and ticketed. Its really hard to have a margin of error of less than 5MPH using only your sense of speed, however..

Part of me wants to say that as a cop in general, I'd be lenient. Considering it was a bright sunny day, it was only 5MPH, and the car had no speedometer. I'd like to say that I'd let them off with a warning or even nothing at all.

The other part of me wants to say that if I were a British cop, I'd grill the guy for ten minutes on how he could have plowed through a whole flock of toddlers crossing the road and not been able to stop until he was a third of a mile down the road. Then I'd book him, take him to the station, make sure his DNA was on file, and then let him go for the cost of a speeding ticket and booking fees. Then I would check up on him in a week, by trailing him, to make sure that he changed his habits. Cameras would be installed along his usual work route to ensure lasting compliance.

Moonfisher: It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

GPS is accurate enough these days. Tape one to the dashboard.

Moonfisher: It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

It would de-value the car if something had to be drilled, screwed on to accommodate the speedo.

Moonfisher: It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

My GPS tells me how fast I'm going. Though it's always about 2mph slower than my car speedometer. My guess is the GPS is right, or at least that's what I'll tell the cop.

CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

A real cop would have tased him and planted some drugs

CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go. tased him.

Fixed.

Smeggy Smurf: CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

A real cop would have tased him and planted some drugs

THIS

Awesome T-Shirt: Especially since no cop I know would give a ticket for 35 in a 30. Or even 40 in a 30.

Every cop I know would give a ticket for 40 in a 30. The usual leeway (though it's not a guarantee) is 10%+3.

Hrist: if I were a British cop...I would check up on him in a week, by trailing him, to make sure that he changed his habits.

No, you wouldn't. Mostly because you'd still be finishing the paperwork

Here's a question nobody has ever been able to answer: What does the "T" stand for in "Model T?"

CruiserTwelve: Here's a question nobody has ever been able to answer: What does the "T" stand for in "Model T?"

The first car Ford built was the Model A (not the '20s one, they rebooted the lettering system for that as a marketing gimmick). You can probably guess the rest.

What does the "T" stand for in "Model T?"

time to leave

legrandbatard: Moonfisher: It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

It would de-value the car if something had to be drilled, screwed on to accommodate the speedo.

I don't see why he would need any of that, it just slips on over your hips.

Wait, what?

67 is elderly?

Did the radio come in crystal clear?

CruiserTwelve: Here's a question nobody has ever been able to answer: What does the "T" stand for in "Model T?"

There were several cars produced or prototyped by Henry Ford from the founding of the company in 1903 until the Model T came along. Although he started with the Model A, there were not 19 production models (A through T); some were only prototypes. The production model immediately before the Model T was the Ford Model S,[2] an upgraded version of the company's largest success to that point, the Model N. The follow-up was the Ford Model A and not the Model U. Company publicity said this was because the new car was such a departure from the old that Henry wanted to start all over again with the letter A. As it happens, the first Plymouth car (1928), built by competitor Chrysler Corporation, was named the Model U.

Link.

/provided you believe Wikipedia, there it is

CruiserTwelve: Here's a question nobody has ever been able to answer: What does the "T" stand for in "Model T?"

couldnt say but here's henry ford receiving the grand cross of the german eagle awarded for his unwavering support of the dritter reich and hatred of all things jewish.

Droogs ain't what they used to be.

CruiserTwelve: Here's a question nobody has ever been able to answer: What does the "T" stand for in "Model T?"
(pirated off a web site after typing in your question in a search engine, duh)
Henry Ford and his engineers used the first 19 letters of the alphabet to designate their automobiles, although some of the cars were experimental and never reached the public. The most successful of the early production cars was the Model N -- a small, light, four-cylinder machine which went on the market at $500. A $2,500 six-cylinder luxury car, the Model K, sold poorly. Ford started naming his early cars with the Model A, and this letter code was later reused on the successor to the Model T.

/copypasta!

man caught speeding gets speeding ticket.

seems fine to me, im quite happy with that.

The Model T was Ford's 19th design, though IIRC only the 3rd that went into series production (after the Models N and S).

My dad currently owns one and a half 1929 Model A Fords (I own the other half of one, goddamnit), so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Even better, my dad got pulled over a few months after he'd finally finished restoring the first one (traditional black fourdoor) for going 40 in a 30 zone. Officer grilled him for a bit (especially since me, my brother, and my sister were in the back seat with non-existent seatbelts), and finally let him go. My dad is convinced to this day the reason the officer let him off with a warning was to avoid the mockery when he called in a speeding ticket on a 70 year old car.

Nanny State indeed. 35 in a 30 zone.

12349876: Moonfisher: It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

My GPS tells me how fast I'm going. Though it's always about 2mph slower than my car speedometer. My guess is the GPS is right, or at least that's what I'll tell the cop.

Many speedometers are a bit optimistic, mainly to ensure that the drivers keep it within the legal limit. I wouldn't be surprised at all if your speedo usually read about 2mph slow.

Awesome T-Shirt: CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

Especially since no cop I know would give a ticket for 35 in a 30. Or even 40 in a 30.

Since when did the Brits go to MPH? I always thought they used KPH.

I've come across several Americans who seem to be have this belief and as a Brit, I'd like to know where this particular bit of misinformation comes from? As far as I know, unlike the rest of Europe, Britain has always used miles and mph as the standard measurements for distance and speed.

Fill her up with petroleum distillate and revulcanize my tires POST HASTE!

$200 for 5 miles over the limit?!?!

I think you'd have an armed uprising in the States if you tried to rape the public so blatantly.

ThunderChild: Awesome T-Shirt: CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

Especially since no cop I know would give a ticket for 35 in a 30. Or even 40 in a 30.

Since when did the Brits go to MPH? I always thought they used KPH.

I've come across several Americans who seem to be have this belief and as a Brit, I'd like to know where this particular bit of misinformation comes from? As far as I know, unlike the rest of Europe, Britain has always used miles and mph as the standard measurements for distance and speed.

It's because you guys drive on the other side of the road - we assume everything else must be ass-backwards (according to our sensibilities, not the truth!).

/still remembers the time someone in class asked how they manage the whole switcheroo driving-sides wise when someone drives from Spain to England

BTW, 46 mph in a T? I don't believe it for a stock restored car. My family's two Ts would only do a bit over 25 mph on flat ground. Now, 40 in a stock A? Yeah, certainly...much better car.

jbrooks544: $200 for 5 miles over the limit?!?!

£60 and three points*. Bonus extra arse-raping for going to the magistrates with no case.

*12 points=happy fun licence loss

ThunderChild: Awesome T-Shirt: CruiserTwelve: This is why I don't like speed cameras. A real cop would have just admired his car and asked a bunch of questions about it, then let him go.

Especially since no cop I know would give a ticket for 35 in a 30. Or even 40 in a 30.

Since when did the Brits go to MPH? I always thought they used KPH.

I've come across several Americans who seem to be have this belief and as a Brit, I'd like to know where this particular bit of misinformation comes from? As far as I know, unlike the rest of Europe, Britain has always used miles and mph as the standard measurements for distance and speed.

Yes, and even though they use Metric for food they still use standard for Alcohol

legrandbatard: Moonfisher: It really wouldn't take much to outfit the thing with a speedometer.

It would de-value the car if something had to be drilled, screwed on to accommodate the speedo.

Not if it was a real period speedo and put on right. Back in the day, T owners had zillions of after-market add-ons to choose from.

Oldiron_79: Yes, and even though they use Metric for food they still use standard Imperial for Alcohol

Sort of...

akula: Many speedometers are a bit optimistic, mainly to ensure that the drivers keep it within the legal limit. I wouldn't be surprised at all if your speedo usually read about 2mph slow.

I have read many times that German law (yeah, I know...) requires that car speedos never under report their speed, so all German speedos read high. I know that my wife's Golf reads 2-3 mph faster than what those roadside radar thingies show.

OTOH, my Excursion's speedo reads exactly the same as those radar displays.

BrynnMacFlynn: /still remembers the time someone in class asked how they manage the whole switcheroo driving-sides wise when someone drives from Spain to England

here's a 90 second ms paint explanation in places where this actually does happen. it's quite easy

Yes you can operate a vehicle without a speedometer if it is grandfathered in, that still does not allow you to violate the speed limit laws. Either you learn to judge your speed better, install an aftermarket speedometer, or pay the fines when you blow it.

Huh what? I'm sorry, but I didn't read the article on account of this sexy Kelly Brook picture...

BlueCalx: 67 is elderly?

I know, ignore it. Many Farkers think 35 is elderly.

Was he driving this?

People, I think we're missing the real question: when he honks the thing's horn, does it go "AH-OOOH-GAH!" like in old movies?

/because if it doesn't, it damn well should

BlueCalx: 67 is elderly?

I know, ignore it. Many Farkers think 35 is elderly.


It is if you consider the average male is only going to live about 10 more years past 67

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears:
couldnt say but here's henry ford receiving the grand cross of the german eagle awarded for his unwavering support of the dritter reich and hatred of all things jewish.

Henry was a bit of a strange guy. Take a tour of Fairlane, his home in Dearborn, and you'll see what a paranoid anti-semitic nutcase he really was.