This guy (new window) might be interested

Sounded good, until I read TFA.

Yours for £60k, £5k's worth of Harrier shaped scrap.

I once bombed a group of cave dwelling terrorists, so I'm really getting a kick...

If I was gonna buy a military aircraft it wouldn't be a harrier. Do you know how many fatal accidents they have trying to vertically take off and land?

It can go 730mph without an engine?

I wonder if that spoiled chav from the other day is going to have his mommy by it for him.

If that thing can do 730mph with no engine it's definitely worth £60,000.

£60,000

Will you take my wife instead?

I'm still saving up for a Raptor.

LeroyBourne: It can go 730mph without an engine?

This is the internets, I am cooking a baby as we speak.
/medium rare with baby garden greens from last year

rhiannon: If that thing can do 730mph with no engine it's definitely worth £60,000.

It's only missing one engine.
/appsrently missing a seat, too.

vudukungfu: It's only missing one engine.

It's missing the engine.

That's not the sort of aircraft you want to start out in...

I'm getting mine with Pepsi Points.

Sique: I'm still saving up for a Raptor.

WANT



/not as hot as it used to be!

'spensive fer a big ol' paper weight

YouPeopleAreCrazy: vudukungfu: It's only missing one engine.

It's missing the engine.

It's a JOKE, see?
A Joke.
/look at me when I 'm talkin' to ta, boy.

What is the point of the Raptor? Considering the F-15 has never been shot down by another fighter, and the only planes possibly capable of doing so are used by friendly nations, I think a lot of taxpayer dollars went to waste.

We'd have been better off buying some Harrier shaped scrap.

ne2d: This guy (new window) might be interested

Whoops, sorry, you had that one covered.

Carry on.

It crashed into the ocean. I think that voids the warranty...

caveat emptor

TMYK

New I'd enter the thread and some zonk would mention the F22 *rolls eyes* context people, context...

r1niceboy: What is the point of the Raptor

Its called swear and tear. Realize that F15s are 20-30 years old and we've flown the hell out of them. They are literally falling apart. There have been many stories in the past few years about them being grounded for all sorts of maintenance problems. The F22 is better in every possible way. Easier maintenance, cheaper in the long term since each plane can do the job of perhaps 10 F15s, and they should last longer than F15 airframes. Hopefully we won't ever need to use them in a huge war, but sticking with our current fleet of airplanes forever just isn't an option. Even if we are only using them to bomb caves. The things just don't last forever.

AlwaysRightBoy: LeroyBourne: It can go 730mph without an engine?

This is the internets, I am cooking a baby as we speak.
/medium rare with baby garden greens from last year

Sweet tender baby.

r1niceboy: We'd have been better off buying some Harrier shaped scrap.

Besides the obvious, irrelevant F-22 troll, we do have a lot of "Harrier shaped scrap". The Marines fly it around as best they can.

I'd rather have an F-15 too.
If that's not available, perhaps a B-58 Hustler?
Now THAT was a beauty of a plane.......



/want the big fuel pod too.....

r1niceboy: What is the point of the Raptor? Considering the F-15 has never been shot down by another fighter

F-15 vs everything else - 105-0 (actual combat)
F-22 vs F-15 - 5-1 (simulated combat)
You do the math.

and the only planes possibly capable of doing so are used by friendly nations,

You did it now. Bring on the hordes of MiG/Sukhoi fanbois.

vudukungfu: It's only missing one engine.

It's a single engine plane.

Anyone else remember playing "Harrier Attack" on the Spectrum Sinclair?



Ah, the good old days - when you stared at a psychedelically coloured screen for 10 minutes, while listening to electronic wailing, as your game loaded from a magnetic casette.

/Man, I'm old

Oldiron_79: If I was gonna buy a military aircraft it wouldn't be a harrier. Do you know how many fatal accidents they have trying to vertically take off and land?

How many? I used to work with a Harrier squadron and of the 4-5 that I have seen first hand that have crashed not one of them has had a fatality. Not to mention none of them crashed during their hovers.

Here's an F-86 on EBay (new window) for half that. Comes with an engine, too.

Somebody call Larry Ellison. IIRC, he already owns an F-5. And he's got the dough to buy an engine.

ensignpulverize:
If that's not available, perhaps a B-58 Hustler?
Now THAT was a beauty of a plane.......

/want the big fuel pod too.....

There's a B-58 shell (no avionics, no engines) at the Lone Star Flight Museum on Galveston Island.

Used to be a B-58 external fuel pod for sale at a salvage yard in Kingsville TX, but then that was about 30 years ago...

why didn't they just stick it in a cave, incase we needed to have an insurrection against our alien overlords in 1000 years?

/plot hole so big, you could sail a carrier fleet loaded down with alien dc-10s through it.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: r1niceboy: What is the point of the Raptor? Considering the F-15 has never been shot down by another fighter

F-15 vs everything else - 105-0 (actual combat)
F-22 vs F-15 - 5-1 (simulated combat)
You do the math.

and the only planes possibly capable of doing so are used by friendly nations,

You did it now. Bring on the hordes of MiG/Sukhoi fanbois.

Not a MiG/Sukhoi fan boy, but to be fair, last I checked most of the 105 planes killed by F 15s were like MiG 21s and MiG 25s that would be more of a fair match for a F 4 than a F 15. Also last I checked all the MiG 29s faced by the F 15 were from poor small countries were the pilots probably wouldn't have enough flight hours to get to fly a supersonic trainer if they was flying for the U.S. or Russia.

Call me back when the F 15 has to fight some Russian or Chinese piloted planes and does so well.

LeroyBourne: AlwaysRightBoy: LeroyBourne: It can go 730mph without an engine?

This is the internets, I am cooking a baby as we speak.
/medium rare with baby garden greens from last year

Sweet tender baby.

It's What's for dinner.

r1niceboy: What is the point of the Raptor? Considering the F-15 has never been shot down by another fighter, and the only planes possibly capable of doing so are used by friendly nations, I think a lot of taxpayer dollars went to waste.

We'd have been better off buying some Harrier shaped scrap.

we'd be better off just buying every other modern fighter in the world...sort of like a gun buy-back program.

BarnacleBill: Here's an F-86 on EBay (new window) for half that. Comes with an engine, too.

kill yourself in style.

r1niceboy: What is the point of the Raptor? Considering the F-15 has never been shot down by another fighter, and the only planes possibly capable of doing so are used by friendly nations.

American dicks have to be seen to be bigger than everybody else's dicks, right? Just watch "future war", et. al., on discovery. Does the US government pay for that? It's more like The Propaganda Channel.

/But yeah, the chances of the USA ever getting in another dogfight are somewhere between slim and none. Fighter planes are soooo last century.

Oldiron_79: If I was gonna buy a military aircraft it wouldn't be a harrier. Do you know how many fatal accidents they have trying to vertically take off and land?

My garden isn't big enough for a runway so this baby is perfect.

Tunney: My garden isn't big enough for a runway so this baby is perfect.

sounds like a british version of airwolf?

loonatic112358: Tunney: My garden isn't big enough for a runway so this baby is perfect.

sounds like a british version of airwolf?

i thought airwolf was on the back of a truck.

get enajoyza.....oy!

SfK: Sique: I'm still saving up for a Raptor.

WANT



/not as hot as it used to be!

FANTASTIC game!

Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: i thought airwolf was on the back of a truck.

get enajoyza.....oy!
nah, they few out of a mountain Link (new window)
you're thinking of The Highwayman (new window)

We need to keep these around for skyscraper combat

Oldiron_79: Not a MiG/Sukhoi fan boy, but to be fair, last I checked most of the 105 planes killed by F 15s were like MiG 21s and MiG 25s that would be more of a fair match for a F 4 than a F 15. Also last I checked all the MiG 29s faced by the F 15 were from poor small countries were the pilots probably wouldn't have enough flight hours to get to fly a supersonic trainer if they was flying for the U.S. or Russia.

This is true.
Also, remember that it is not merely fighter v fighter, but rather the entire system. AWACS, satellite, JSTARS, tankers, comm from other F-22's, Navy Hawkeyes, etc, etc...

We have not had 2 modern air forces in full battle since WWII. The main reason for that is...there is only 1 modern air force. 1.5 if you include NATO forces.

Russia sending a flight of bombers to Venezuela is a major accomplishment. For the USAF, going that far is a typical Tuesday.

TownDrunk: www.ksky.ne.jp

just don't bring a f-104 near it, they don't get along well

I wonder if I can get a negative-amortization adjustable rate loan to buy that sucker?

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Oldiron_79: Not a MiG/Sukhoi fan boy, but to be fair, last I checked most of the 105 planes killed by F 15s were like MiG 21s and MiG 25s that would be more of a fair match for a F 4 than a F 15. Also last I checked all the MiG 29s faced by the F 15 were from poor small countries were the pilots probably wouldn't have enough flight hours to get to fly a supersonic trainer if they was flying for the U.S. or Russia.

This is true.
Also, remember that it is not merely fighter v fighter, but rather the entire system. AWACS, satellite, JSTARS, tankers, comm from other F-22's, Navy Hawkeyes, etc, etc...

We have not had 2 modern air forces in full battle since WWII. The main reason for that is...there is only 1 modern air force. 1.5 if you include NATO forces.

Russia sending a flight of bombers to Venezuela is a major accomplishment. For the USAF, going that far is a typical Tuesday.

Only 9 of the 105 kills by F 15s where MiG 29s according to Wiki.

loonatic112358: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: i thought airwolf was on the back of a truck.

get enajoyza.....oy!
nah, they few out of a mountain Link (new window)
you're thinking of The Highwayman (new window)

good job.

all i remembered was the obnoxious energizer guy.

Oldiron_79: Only 9 of the 105 kills by F 15s where MiG 29s according to Wiki.

So, 9-0 against front line Russian fighters...:)

/yes, probably less than front line pilots