People still use filesharing to download their illegal music?

How else would you download something if it wasn't a file being shared?

king_nacho: How else would you download something if it wasn't a file being shared?

You get them in the same place you get your Unicorn and rainbow. :P

Ah, the Recording Industry Ass. of America, the Lars Ulrich of the whole music industry.

Weren't they trying to outlaw CD burners at one point? I vaguely recall them trying to push Congress into making it illegal to have the means by which to commit copyright infringement - namely, hardware, software and the know-how necessary to use the same.

Anyone got a link? [Citation needed]

You go get a court order, and I'll sue your ass for wrongful prosecution.

CNET reported Wednesday that besides AT&T, Comcast and Cox Communications were also working with the music industry.


I wonder if comcast realizes how many people in my area have open wi-fi hotspots...?

King Something
the RIAA and MPAA have tried to outlaw VHS and audio cassette, but I don't think they'd really gotten to burners before they were already widespread.

Us: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?

RIAA: No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

GreenAdder: You go get a court order, and I'll sue your ass for wrongful prosecution.

Came for this, leaving satisfied.

Weaver95: CNET reported Wednesday that besides AT&T, Comcast and Cox Communications were also working with the music industry.


I wonder if comcast realizes how many people in my area have open wi-fi hotspots...?

And I wonder how they prove yours wasn't open if you have a wireless router attached to your cable modem. Or how they prove that you don't have a wireless router in the first place.

I will happily stand corrected if I am wrong about this, and I admit that I have not actually worked for an ISP, but it is my understanding is that they can only see what you have on your network as far as the modem itself.

jake_lex: I will happily stand corrected if I am wrong about this, and I admit that I have not actually worked for an ISP, but it is my understanding is that they can only see what you have on your network as far as the modem itself.

for the most part (and with a few caveats) that's true. What i'm saying is that if comcast is worried about file sharing, how can they be sure that a customer is actually guilty of file sharing, since said customer could have an open wi-fi spot that's being used by the actual file sharer and not the customer in question?

From my living room, I can spot 4 wi-fi hot spots with viable singnal strength and stable connections. only one of those is password protected and even that is using a weak form of WEP and appears to be unpatched. it would be possible for a moderately adept programmer to rotate his file sharing around on those signals and hide the majority of his activity. And if you live in an apartment complex it gets even easier.

You can't spy on people and sell their phone numbers to telemarketing firms if you terminate their service, doye.

You can have it your way, Mr. Venkman.

A company with the death star as its logo is never the hero.

Excuse me, Chastain86, it's Dr. Venkman.

PoopStain: Since copyright holders have donated excessively to Democratic causes, all of you libtards should expect the next Inquisition.

Congratulations, it's not fascism when you do it.

Correlation =!= Causation. Surprisingly enough, many copyright holders (AKA musicians) tend to be liberal.



They were donating for the political causes they believe in, not the RIAA.

/fully aware that I just fed the troll

Why would the ISPs be expected to work with the RIAA? I would imagine they don't particularly want to lose paying customers either. Just doesn't seem to be anything in it for them.

I am getting a kick out of these replies...

Why didn't AT&T take this approach with the Bush administration?
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Let me dust this old thing off...

Downloading music that you don't otherwise own is farking illegal and there's no legitimate argument for those who say it isn't. Doesn't mean I won't do it but I at least admit that it's wrong.

as much as i loathe AT&T, good for them.

Saborlas: GreenAdder: You go get a court order, and I'll sue your ass for wrongful prosecution.

Came for this, leaving satisfied.


Yup, me too. I'll lock up.

fark the RIAA

Retarded old men think they can effectively persecute the massive Internet entity that is anonymous(Not 4chan, just the general idea of the net).


They should go the Hulu route, open up their own free MP3 download and music video site. Get some ad revenue and offer CD's and merchandise for purchase off of it. If you can't beat them, do what they do better for your own benefit.

But no, no, the witch hunt works better.

Sonny Bono

MIguy: Downloading music that you don't otherwise own is farking illegal and there's no legitimate argument for those who say it isn't. Doesn't mean I won't do it but I at least admit that it's wrong.

But if I own the CD, and it got scratched or broken, I still have a license to listen to the music. In that instance, downloading a new copy is perfectly legal.

The RIAA hates our freedoms. They want to destroy America and force their own twisted ideals on all of us. The only appropriate response is to hunt down their lawyers and executives in their corporate towers and kill them all.

It's the patriotic thing to do.

MIguy: Downloading music that you don't otherwise own is farking illegal and there's no legitimate argument for those who say it isn't. Doesn't mean I won't do it but I at least admit that it's wrong.

No, providing music illegally is the problem, much more so than receiving it. How does one know if any given source is legitimate or not? There have been street vendors who sell legitimate CDs, and there have been street vendors selling illicit CDs. There are online subscription services for legitimate music and there are services will illicit music. There are recording artists who post downloads of their own music perfectly legally for marketing purposes and there are those who post downloads illegally. There's content in the public domain that's perfectly free to copy and duplicate all one wants, and there's content that isn't. There are recordings made of real-life events by someone who then releases that recording into the public domain for all to enjoy.

How is the average person supposed to keep track of all of that? To me it means that the distributor is the enforcement point, not the consumer.

MIguy: Downloading music that you don't otherwise own is farking illegal and there's no legitimate argument for those who say it isn't. Doesn't mean I won't do it but I at least admit that it's wrong.

This guy...
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... would like a word with you.

Why doesn't the RIAA get a warrant and bust down my door instead?

Oh, because they have NO FARKING PROOF OF ANYTHING

See, here come the bullshiat excuses. I bet you guys also don't see a problem with downloading and watching movies that are still in the theater because you weren't going to pay to see it anyways.

I'd like someone to take the RIAA to task over their authority to do anything. Sure they represent record labels, but those labels don't own the copyrights to what the RIAA is suing over.

Another thing is how one of the major labels has the sound pulled from some videos on YouTube for unauthorized lyrics use. Someone tell the label the rights to those lyrics are administered by publishing companies, which the label doesn't own or have control over. Also some of the songs come from labels that were bought up after they were released. Which further clouds things up.

Zulgaines: Get some ad revenue and offer CD's and merchandise for purchase off of it.

You mean do what YouTube already allows them to do? With the added bonus of nothing to run or set up themselves?

The word "hero" should NEVER be associated with AT&T.

fluffy2097: Why doesn't the RIAA get a warrant and bust down my door instead?

Oh, because they have NO FARKING PROOF OF ANYTHING

Proof is for terrorists.

WhyteRaven74: Zulgaines: Get some ad revenue and offer CD's and merchandise for purchase off of it.

You mean do what YouTube already allows them to do? With the added bonus of nothing to run or set up themselves?

Youtube pays their ad revenue to the RIAA? You learn something new every day.

MIguy: Downloading music that you don't otherwise own is farking illegal a

Only if the copyright holder decides it is. A copyright holder can choose to freely give away the music. That's copyright holder, not record label. When Trent Reznor says "Here's my new album, enjoy", he's perfectly entitled to give it away. About the only thing he can't give away, though he wants to, is the master recordings from his old stuff so that people can mix it themselves. This being because the actual tracks belong to labels, even if the resultant songs are Trent's. No it doesn't make sense, record labels never do.

When anybody else thinks of the RIAA, does an image of a drowning Nazi trying to grasp anything and everything he can to stay afloat come to mind?

/hates the RIAA
//even more than I hate Nazis

Zulgaines: Youtube pays their ad revenue to the RIAA?

Oh it would pay the revenue to the labels, and it's the labels that the RIAA says it serves. So hell, just give the money right to the labels.

Yes it's true, the RIAA has no dick.

PoopStain: Since copyright holders have donated excessively to Democratic causes, all of you libtards should expect the next Inquisition.

Congratulations, it's not fascism when you do it.

dude STFU, why ya gotta bring the dredge of the Politic's tab into here on main, dude you blow nuts

Stranglehold: When anybody else thinks of the RIAA,

Same goes for the MPAA. Of course it was a member of the MPAA, Disney, that had copyright law changed just so old Mickey Mouse stuff wouldn't go public domain.

Copyright law seriously needs to be rolled back to what it used to be. And if Disney wants to be butthurt over 80 year old material going public domain, they can go cry into their stacks of money.

MIguy: See, here come the bullshiat excuses. I bet you guys also don't see a problem with downloading and watching movies that are still in the theater because you weren't going to pay to see it anyways.

I bet you'd advocate prosecuting people who transfer the contents of their VHS tapes to digital formats so that they can watch them without a VCR (does anyone still make those?)

Hero my ass. They rolled over for the government on wiretapping and probably had their back scratched nicely in return. Terminating ISP service would cost them money. Let's not mistake bottom-line thinking with moral heroics.

That just means the RIAA needs to pay off ATT more.

/sigh

I still have At&t stock (because my wife worked at Bell Labs for 12 years), so I keep it for fires.

Stranglehold: When anybody else thinks of the RIAA, does an image of a drowning Nazi trying to grasp anything and everything he can to stay afloat come to mind?

/hates the RIAA
//even more than I hate Nazis

I have a mental image of a dying dinosaur that's thrashing around and destroying everything within reach because it lacks the intelligence to understand that it's dying.

MIguy: Downloading music that you don't otherwise own is farking illegal and there's no legitimate argument for those who say it isn't. Doesn't mean I won't do it but I at least admit that it's wrong.

MIguy: See, here come the bullshiat excuses. I bet you guys also don't see a problem with downloading and watching movies that are still in the theater because you weren't going to pay to see it anyways.

I'm sure that's what everyone is discussing. Absolutely sure there's nothing the RIAA has done to legitimately piss them off. It's not like they've lobbied for bad laws, pursued unreasonable damages, and relied on crappy evidence which at times was absolutely worthless. Or that they cannot possibly justify some of their prosecutions and publicly admit they can't track individuals.

No, it's gotta be that all of us are just trying to get their shiat.

The people that biatch about the RIAA or whoever are mostly those that dl gigs of free stuff every day, and don't like to be reminded that they are ripping people off.

Hey, I have dl teras of stuff. I fully expect industry watchdogs to raise hell and fight dirty. Just appreciate that you are living in the glory days of file sharing, because it's not always going to be like this.

Regardless of how bulletproof some think they are.

barneyfifesbullet: The people that biatch about the RIAA or whoever are mostly those that dl gigs of free stuff every day, and don't like to be reminded that they are ripping people off.

Hey, I have dl teras of stuff. I fully expect industry watchdogs to raise hell and fight dirty. Just appreciate that you are living in the glory days of file sharing, because it's not always going to be like this.

Regardless of how bulletproof some think they are.

I don't download stuff illegally, when it comes to games I feel you have to reward the developer, luckily with stuff like Steam it's easier for them to get their product out without the huge cost of publishing