Frankenly, I don't give a damn.

///Wish some judges would man up and just decide this thing today or schedule a new election. Who needs months to figure out this kind of stuff?

Seriously, the ECC should just make their decision, so Normie can get on with his appeal to the MNSC. Because you know he's going to.

And prolly SCOTUS after that, if he thinks he can get away with it.

What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Just keeping the earmarks down. It's not like any infrastructure there needs updating anyways.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

They *did* decide. It just so happens the Republican National Committee has a butt-ton of money to throw at every judge who will listen to them.

Douchebag vs Crap Sammich. Oof Dah! Mintysoda!

One for the ages.

Don't worry, guys. I'm sure Coleman will concede any day now since he's really concerned about how much this will cost tax payers.

Coleman just can't accept that he lost to a farking comedian.

Mitt Romney has bankrolled Coleman's "case." Keep spending Mittens!

They should share the senate seat.
Sort of a wacky joined-at-the-hip/odd couple comedy where they are forced to cooperate. Over time, their hatred turns to understanding, understanding turns to friendship, and friendship turns to love.

patrick767: Coleman just can't accept that he lost to a farking really bad farking comedian. ftfy

wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

A court could rule soon on whether Franken's post-recount lead is valid

My hair is a bird.
Your recount lead is invalid.

Too much is at stake to allow a nutter like Al Franken steal this election.

Polly Ester: They should share the senate seat.
Sort of a wacky joined-at-the-hip/odd couple comedy where they are forced to cooperate. Over time, their hatred turns to understanding, understanding turns to friendship, and friendship turns to love.

I like it, or maybe the loser has to be the winner's butler.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: patrick767: Coleman just can't accept that he lost to a farking really bad farking comedian. ftfy

2/10

Lt. Cheese Weasel: patrick767: Coleman just can't accept that he lost to a farking really bad farking comedian. ftfy

I love how some people are convinced that a man whose made a 30+ year career out of comedy and won a number of awards is bad at it.

It could very likely be that they are simply idiots.

randomjsa: wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

No, Coleman won the initial count, lost the only recount that has happened, and everything since then has been unchanged, although Norm's lawyer is already talking about how they plan to appeal the results of this court case. Not a fan of either guy, but this thing just needs to end.

Simply put: the election results are within the margin of human error in this case. Anyone who claims they can know beyond a shadow of a doubt who received more votes on election day in this case or in Florida back in 2000 is lying.

degreeless: Too much is at stake to allow a nutter like Al Franken steal this election.

How is winning the election by 200 votes "stealing" it?

randomjsa: wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

How dare they count all the votes. I mean what the hell is this, a democracy?

FTFA: Sen. Race Now Minnesota's Tardiest Election Result

That's for sure.

RevMercutio: randomjsa: wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

How dare they count all the votes. I mean what the hell is this, a democracy?

remember 2000. republicans HATE counting all the votes.

RevMercutio: randomjsa: wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

How dare they count all the votes. I mean what the hell is this, a democracy?

Which is exactly why they need to count some of the absentee ballots that Frankin got blocked.

Who ever wins should resign.

If either of them really truly wanted to be a Senator and represent their state in The Congress, they would have resigned by now so a new Senator would have been picked thus giving Illinois the adequate representation.

The fact that this shiatfest has gone on for so long demonstrates that neither of them deserve to be senator. What 'senator' would be content to let their state go without a representative for so long?

Britney Spear's Speculum: Who ever wins should resign.

If either of them really truly wanted to be a Senator and represent their state in The Congress, they would have resigned by now so a new Senator would have been picked thus giving Illinois the adequate representation.

I'm a canuck, but I'm pretty sure an American Senator doesn't sit in Congress.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Who ever wins should resign.

If either of them really truly wanted to be a Senator and represent their state in The Congress, they would have resigned by now so a new Senator would have been picked thus giving Illinois the adequate representation.


Umm.. this is Minnesota not Illinois....

Everyone forgets that Normmy made some statements early on that Franken should concede gracefully, but when the count went against him he lodged the longest fight in state history.

FlashHarry: RevMercutio: randomjsa: wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

How dare they count all the votes. I mean what the hell is this, a democracy?

remember 2000. republicans HATE counting all the votes.

Yes, by all means let us remember 2000 when a blatant attempt by Democrats to break Florida elections laws was smacked down by the SCOTUS. Such good clean fun...

Grungehamster: Anyone who claims they can know beyond a shadow of a doubt who received more votes on election day in this case or in Florida back in 2000 is lying.


Even in the recounts that Gore paid for, George Bush won the majority of recounts done. Something like 7 recounts and Bush won 5 of them. So yeah, pretty damn sure Bush won.

This MN case though has been within around 200 votes since the day they announced that Coleman won. That's razor thin. Since then there have been some interesting reports on what's going on with the recount that would certainly warrant some VERY close looking into, since some of the stuff sounds pretty dubious... Things like areas revising their counts several times but *always* in favor of Franken, guidelines for which votes will be counted being changed by the same people during the same count depending on who the rule would favor, and so on...

I'm not sure that the supporters of one or the other or both are trying to cheat, but I *am* sure that it's a circus by now and there's definately enough room for legitimate concern.

MN should just cut the BS out already and re-vote, IMHO.


FlashHarry: How dare they count all the votes. I mean what the hell is this, a democracy?

remember 2000. republicans HATE counting all the votes.


And that Democrats do too - once all of the "right" ones have been counted. Hanging chads and all...

Bored Horde: Britney Spear's Speculum: Who ever wins should resign.

If either of them really truly wanted to be a Senator and represent their state in The Congress, they would have resigned by now so a new Senator would have been picked thus giving Illinois the adequate representation.

I'm a canuck, but I'm pretty sure an American Senator doesn't sit in Congress.

Wanna bet?

Bored Horde:
I'm a canuck, but I'm pretty sure an American Senator doesn't sit in Congress.

Congress refers to both houses, the Senate and the House of Representatives.

/ Silly Canadian elections
// only last month or so
/// and has solvent banks...
// want to live in 'Nuckland
/ but it's too damn cold

Right now Norm is intentionally depriving MN of a senate seat. that should be a crime if you ask me. I agree that there are more legally cast absentee ballots that need to be counted, but those have been blocked by BOTH sides based on the rules of the recount. if Norm wanted to have all votes counted, he wouldn't have blocked so many from being counted in the first place.

BionicAmoeba: Umm.. this is Minnesota not Illinois....

Everyone forgets that Normmy made some statements early on that Franken should concede gracefully, but when the count went against him he lodged the longest fight in state history.

Sorry, media overload. I hear shiatfest, I think Illinois. Bad habit.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yes, by all means let us remember 2000 when a blatant attempt by Democrats to break Florida elections laws was smacked down by the SCOTUS. Such good clean fun...

I detect some sarcasm there. I don't think you really want to compare the two contests too closely.

In Florida in 2000, the person in charge of counting the votes, the Sec. of State, was also the chair of Bush's campaign.

In MN now, the canvassing board was made up of the Sec. of State (a Democrat) and 4 judges (none appointed by Democrats). And none of them had any role in the campaigns, because in MN we know something about the appearance of impropiety.

mongbiohazard: Even in the recounts that Gore paid for, George Bush won the majority of recounts done. Something like 7 recounts and Bush won 5 of them. So yeah, pretty damn sure Bush won.

But Gore did win some of them; it shows that different counting procedures and human mistakes means that there will be something like a 0.1% error in the count, which we ignore in any case other than the one that is so tight it is basically impossible to discern who everyone who participated voted for with 100% confidence and as such will always leave some doubt to who truely won. I happen to believe Bush beat Gore, but it was so close that what is happening now in MN is that both sides are just trying to come to a conclusion that favors their candidate, and act as if it is clearly discernable that the public chose them and not just "you were considered to be slightly less of an asshat than the other guy."

BionicAmoeba: / but it's too damn cold

It's 10 degrees here today. It was cold this morning, so I have my parka with me at work. I'm going to be waaay hot on my way home from the gym.

Wii.Tard: The fact that this shiatfest has gone on for so long demonstrates that neither of them deserve to be senator. What 'senator' would be content to let their state go without a representative for so long?

What is Franken supposed to do?

"Franken won but Coleman is holding up the process in the courts and acting like a petulant child."
"Yea, they're both disgraceful."

LOLWUT?

You know, Franken should just call for a new election, and then runs ads reminding everyone that Coleman is the reason they're still having this problem. I'd bet Coleman's asshattery here would tip the scales toward Franken a little more decisively.

On that note, does anyone have a recent opinion poll of Minnesotans saying who they think should be senator?

mongbiohazard: Grungehamster: Anyone who claims they can know beyond a shadow of a doubt who received more votes on election day in this case or in Florida back in 2000 is lying.


Even in the recounts that Gore paid for, George Bush won the majority of recounts done. Something like 7 recounts and Bush won 5 of them. So yeah, pretty damn sure Bush won.

Nope:


Source

I don't know of any Gore-sponsored recounts, but the above chart was the result of a study conducted by the University of Chicago and sponsored by several news organizations. It's true that if Gore would have got his limited recount he would have lost, but a comprehensive, Minnesota-style hand recount of the entire state would have seen Gore as the winner in all 4 different chad-counting methods.

randomjsa: Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

ravenlore: Seriously, the ECC should just make their decision, so Normie can get on with his appeal to the MNSC. Because you know he's going to.

The more consideration the ECC gives this case, the more likely it is that the MNSC will decline to hear an appeal of it.

degreeless: Which is exactly why they need to count some of the absentee ballots that Frankin got blocked.

They should also count the 40 million imaginary votes that I cast for Franken, if you're going to include invalid ballots.

degreeless: RevMercutio: randomjsa: wage0048: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: What the hell is wrong with that state?

Decide already or if you can't decide, hold another goddamn election.

We did decide. Coleman just can't seem to accept that he lost.

Except he didn't lose, he won, and won and won again, until the canvasing board stepped in and the totals changed in Franken's favor.

How dare they count all the votes. I mean what the hell is this, a democracy?

Which is exactly why they need to count some of the absentee ballots that Frankin got blocked.

Explain what these ballots are that Franken "blocked", why they weren't counted, and why they should be. We'll be waiting.

Furthermore, why pick only Franken's blocked ballots? Why not Coleman's?

This only ends up hurting the GOP worse. They're showing that they clearly don't care what people want, they just care about "winning".

Wii.Tard: The fact that this shiatfest has gone on for so long demonstrates that neither of them deserve to be senator. What 'senator' would be content to let their state go without a representative for so long?

One that wishes to see the will of the voting public fulfilled.

In other words, one that wishes to see democracy triumph.

I can understand why you'd have a problem with that, though.

We all know who really belong in the senate:

LIZARD PEOPLE.

Pretty soon, this will all be over, and Norm can return to his seat at the bar (next to Cliff).

And Franken will boost CSPAN's ratings to #3.

And I will nail a 6' redhead.

Dr Dreidel: And I will nail a 6' redhead.

Does it still count if she's fat?

"Hi, I'm Norm. And I've lost to both a pro wrestler and a comedian."