liebensraum

Loving Space. Giggity.

They always manage to find an excuse against peace... so do the Pelestinians.

Perhaps it's all the cash both sides get to attempt peace rather than actually achieving it.

I'll wait here patiently while someone explains to me that Israel truly believes in a two-state solution and accepts the palestinian right to exist.

Justified considering all of the rocket fire coming from East Jerusalem. Oh, wait a minute....

/can't wait to hear Tatsuma rationalize this one

This headline is in dire need of more apostrophes.

Israe'li Prime Minister plan's to expand settlements, tells world the'yre breaking peace plan cause they really need more lieben'sraum

Shostie
This headline is in dire need of more apostrophes.

There you go!

patrick767: Israe'li Prime Minister plan's to expand settlements, tells world the'yre breaking peace plan cause they really need more lieben'sraum

Shostie
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There you go!

Yay!

I'm shocked this is happening. Allow me to express my outrage in bold CAPITAL LETTERS.

Palestinians should send some rockets into the expanded settlements.

Approves.

*sigh* I give up. I usually defend Israel, but I can't defend this shiat. If the Israelis allow this, they deserve what's coming to them.

EABOD, Netanyahu.

indylaw: EABOD, Netanyahu.

This.

indylaw: I usually defend Israel, but I can't defend this shiat. If the Israelis allow this, they deserve what's coming to them.

Because, of course, the "Palestinians" have the fundamental right to live in a Jew-free zone.

I see what you did there subby.

Let them, and we can start selling arms to the Palestinians too

Would the U.S. support a nation that did this that WASN'T composed of Europeans and surrounded by darker-skinned folk? If Israelis were mostly Sephardic Jews, rather than Ashkenazi, I doubt that it would be the number-one recipient of U.S. foreign aid, or at least it wouldn't be number-one by such a massive margin as it is.

I used to defend one side or the other in these situations. Now it seems both the Israelis and the Palestinians have blood on their hands and are not operating in good faith.

At this point I think the best solution is for the US to declare neutrality in this issue, cut all foreign aid (including military support to Israel) to the afflicted region and let the aggrieved parties work it out themselves. At least our conscience will be clean at that point.

If only there were some way we could put a stop to Israeli aggression

SaintAnky: I used to defend one side or the other in these situations. Now it seems both the Israelis and the Palestinians have blood on their hands and are not operating in good faith.

At this point I think the best solution is for the US to declare neutrality in this issue, cut all foreign aid (including military support to Israel) to the afflicted region and let the aggrieved parties work it out themselves. At least our conscience will be clean at that point.

I dunno...that's sort of like putting two praying mantises close to each other to see which one eats the other.

While we don't take part in the fighting, some of the hypothetical blood is still on our hands.

gallo caldo: indylaw: I usually defend Israel, but I can't defend this shiat. If the Israelis allow this, they deserve what's coming to them.

Because, of course, the "Palestinians" have the fundamental right to live in a Jew-free zone.

What's the alternative? Give every Palestinian a full vote in the next Knesset election and hope that Israel can somehow maintain its Jewish identity? It seems like it's in Israel's own best interest to pursue some sort of 2 state solution, and the settlements aren't really helping.

What made this possible was Ehud Barak sellout to the right.

gallo caldo: indylaw: I usually defend Israel, but I can't defend this shiat. If the Israelis allow this, they deserve what's coming to them.

Because, of course, the "Palestinians" have the fundamental right to live in a Jew-free zone.

Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a Jewish Zionist. However, the Palestinians have a right to a place to settle, and it's absolutely imperative to the hope of a lasting piece that the Israelis proceed in good faith.

This is not good faith. Israeli settlers don't "need" this land. They're continuing an old policy of evicting the Arabs from their land and developing the property for wealthier Jews. The ultimate goal is to destroy the Palestinians' property claims for a future state, which is one of the guidelines for the peace process. Even allowing settlement in the West Bank, much less encouraging it, as the new coalition is doing, resets the peace process, and it throws yet another cookie to the ultra-nationalist douchebags who do Israel more harm than good.

This is why Israel can't have nice things.

Go ahead, beg for Tatsuma's perspective. That way you don't need to have one yourself.

/The begging and summoning will commence forthwith. Why? God knows...

Not the best idea I've heard all day, Israel...

gallo caldo: Because, of course, the "Palestinians" have the fundamental right to live in a Jew-free zone.

They didn't -- well, before the Israeli parliament made it illegal to mingle, fraternize, step foot in,. . whatever language you'd like other than Apartheid.

That's it, they've BOTH forfeited their right to the place.

Let's kick them ALL out, and found Atheistland there. That would be fun.

We'd be better caretakers of the Holy Land than either the Jews or the Palestinians anyway.

indylaw: EABOD, Netanyahu.

If you grew up with a name like Netanyahu, you'd be expanding settlements too.

/the mud, the blood, and the beer

Liebensraum?
Is subby the guy who babblefishes for Hillary Clinton?

Jews constructing housing for themselves in Jerusalem? Why that's an outrage! This is but a Jewish plot to judaize Jerusalem!

DemonEater: That's it, they've BOTH forfeited their right to the place.

Let's kick them ALL out, and found Atheistland there. That would be fun.

We'd be better caretakers of the Holy Land than either the Jews or the Palestinians anyway.

It's a beautiful piece of land. Shame about the locals.

Tatsuma: Jews constructing housing for themselves in Jerusalem? Why that's an outrage! This is but a Jewish plot to judaize Jerusalem!

and here... we... GO!

indylaw: *sigh* I give up. I usually defend Israel, but I can't defend this shiat. If the Israelis allow this, they deserve what's coming to them.

EABOD, Netanyahu.

And if Tats ever said that, well, the world divides by zero basically.

At this point, I think almost everyone is getting tired of both sides now.

indylaw: This is why Israel can't have nice things.

Many settlers think the Jordan River bisects Israel.

Two state solution is no solution at all. And I can't figure out why anyone would be an apologist for a society that's based on ethnicity.

We killed a bunch of G.I.s in WWII to stamp that shiat out.

OlafTheBent: Perhaps it's all the cash both sides get to attempt peace rather than actually achieving it.

There's an actual correlation bewteen the amount of money received by the PA and the number of murderous terrorist acts they commit. The more "aid" money is sent to their government, the more Israeli civilian dies. Hmmm.

Democratic Secularist Omnivore: /can't wait to hear Tatsuma rationalize this one

I really love living in a world where a Jew has to justify his right to live in Jerusalem.

FTFA: Israeli prime minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu has struck a secret deal with one of his coalition partners, pledging to expand settlements in a highly-contentious area of the West Bank, army radio said on Wednesday.

You're doing it wrong.

indylaw: Tatsuma: Jews constructing housing for themselves in Jerusalem? Why that's an outrage! This is but a Jewish plot to judaize Jerusalem!

and here... we... GO!

It's just not the same without czar. Us loony liberals are running shifts to provide opposition to the hardliner fundamentalists, but it's tiring work. We don't have the rabid zealotry fueling our posts.

Tatsuma: in Jerusalem?

Except its not in Jerusalem.

I'm surprised it took almost 30 posts before Tatsuma showed up to defend this shiat.

A settling torch.

Tatsuma: I really love living in a world where a Jew has to justify his right to live in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem should be an independently governed city, like the Vatican. Discuss.

vernonFL

Except its not in Jerusalem.

Eh...kinda...

Invade Jordon.

Tehran is our goal!

moralpanic: What made this possible was Ehud Barak sellout to the right.

Actually, the mere fact that Barak is in the government (and he's the one who gets to approve new cities all over Judea and Samaria) makes it LESS likely for new Israeli yishuvim to be created in Judea and Samaria.

Since he got onboard with the government, this is him and not Moshe "Boogie" Yaalon whose became Defense Minister. Yaalon was previously dismissed from his position in the IDF for his refusal to carry out the ethnic cleaning of Gaza back in 2005.

SaintAnky: I used to defend one side or the other in these situations. Now it seems both the Israelis and the Palestinians have blood on their hands and are not operating in good faith.

At this point I think the best solution is for the US to declare neutrality in this issue, cut all foreign aid (including military support to Israel) to the afflicted region and let the aggrieved parties work it out themselves. At least our conscience will be clean at that point.


Sure, that would work. What do you think the US News Media would make of that? Hollywood? The last President who pushed on this gang got Lewinskied 24/7 for a year.

vernonFL: Palestinians should send some rockets into the expanded settlements.

They will. Then the Israeli's will invade, kill a couple thousand Palestinians, most of them being civilians and justify the whole exercise by blaming the rockets. A brief media blitz follows and then the worlds goes on.

Stopheles: If Israelis were mostly Sephardic Jews, rather than Ashkenazi, I doubt that it would be the number-one recipient of U.S. foreign aid, or at least it wouldn't be number-one by such a massive margin as it is.

Glad to see your anti-Americanism is completely unburdened by reality:

Top Recipients of U.S. Foreign Aid, FY 2004[5] Nation Billions of Dollars
Iraq 18.44
Israel 2.62
Egypt 1.87
Afghanistan 1.77
Colombia 0.57
Jordan 0.56
Pakistan 0.39
Liberia 0.21
Peru 0.17
Ethiopia 0.16
Bolivia 0.15
Uganda 0.14
Sudan 0.14
Indonesia 0.13
Kenya 0.13

These numbers shift, and certainly Iraq is an outlier due to some war or other that apparently happened over there (I haven't seen it in the news lately, so I'm not sure what its current status is). But the combined aid to the nations surrounding Israel (even leaving aside the billions Obama wants to give Hamas), belies your "massive margin" claim.

vernonFL: Except its not in Jerusalem.

Yes, this area is part of Jerusalem or less than a 5 minutes drive from it.

Bored Horde: Jerusalem should be an independently governed city, like the Vatican. Discuss.

When the US gives up New York, the UK London and France Paris, we'll talk. That's like saying Brooklyn isn't part of New York since it's not Manhattan.

came here for the liebensraum comment, left satisfied. funnier before the typo was fixed...

Polly Ester: Liebensraum?
Is subby the guy who babblefishes for Hillary Clinton?

How is babblefish formed?