Damn right, no clownin' around. Y'all better take Billy seriously.

Kurgan: I have something to say! It's better to burn out than to fade away!

Fark Billy Corgan, his boring songs, his mewling voice, his pathetic poetry, his humongous ego and his shiatty, shiatty band.

And I thought he had changed his name and started reporting the weather in Dayton, OH.

Link (new window)

he sucks
/to defend him is to also suck

Wow, this thread oughtta be fun.

I hadn't heard about the song being used for the VISA commercial... That is so freakin hardcore dude!

If he's a sell out then so is Morgan Freeman.

And so are you if you have a job in order to pay the bills.

carmody: Fark Billy Corgan, his boring songs, his mewling voice, his pathetic poetry, his humongous ego and his shiatty, shiatty band.

Go throw yourself off a bridge.

So what major bands out there have not sold the rights to at least one of their songs to a commercial? I thought there was one of the remaining people from The Doors that was preventing their music from being used in commercials but that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

His sister is kinda hot...if you squint really hard.

wow.
that said absolutely nothing.

And the case against Billy Corgan? Why, I have that courtesy of an article from the April 1994 issue of SPIN Magazine! Thanks internet!

The plot up to this point is that the members of Soundgarden are eating and knocking back a few beers when all of a sudden, Billy Corgan shows up and talks shop with the boys! Let's see how it turns out...


In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

"I'm thinking of making my next album really new wave," Corgan says, "like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen."

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn't buying. He's sore.

"Don't you see," Thayil says, "you're this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don't need all this...stuff."

"What sign are you?" Corgan asks.

"What do you mean, what sign am I?" Thayil says. "What difference could that possibly make?"

"C'mon," wheedles Corgan, "when is your birthday?"

"All right, goddamn it: September 4th."

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil's heart: "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back."

Thayil explodes: "What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?"

"But I hate it," Corgan says, "it means they don't think I'm the cute one."

"Ooh," Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, "I'll bet he's going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him."

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart." The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

Matt Cameron is a little astounded. "Kim should rent himself out as a tour shrink," he says.

JustMatt: So what major bands out there have not sold the rights to at least one of their songs to a commercial? I thought there was one of the remaining people from The Doors that was preventing their music from being used in commercials but that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

I may be wrong but I suspect the answer to your question is;
Tool
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Bruce Springsteen
Rush
Niel Young
Rage against the Machine
etc etc

I wish bad things to happen to Corgan

roscotsmalls: I may be wrong but I suspect the answer to your question is;
Tool
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Bruce Springsteen
Rush
Niel Young
Rage against the Machine
etc etc

FTFY

/I has a sad.

Holy smokes an Erik Zarnitz reference.

"To see some of the qualities on display, tune in April 2nd when Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin make what now looks like it will be their last shared TV appearance with the current Pumpkins lineup on the Chris Isaak Hour, a new show on the Bio Channel that I really love even if I am a producer on it."

Shameless plug is shameless

Secef: And the case against Billy Corgan? Why, I have that courtesy of an article from the April 1994 issue of SPIN Magazine! Thanks internet!


You know that tortured genius act that all front-guys put on? The one where they're too akward and shy and self-loathing to believe they're music is worth a crap or that they have any talent? Corgan isn't acting, he's really that crazy.

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying it takes some pretty nutty people to make brilliant music, and everything up to Adore is definately brilliant work. Adore was good, but it was a depature.

I guess I just never understood why you have to like the people making the music in order to like the music. Corgan's an ass, but he wrote some of the finest music of the 90's.

That's enough, Billy Corgan

Wait--let me think about this.

Whose last solo album was better? Corgan's or Chamberlin's?

That would be Chamberlin's, by about a mile.



Secef: And the case against Billy Corgan? Why, I have that courtesy of an article from the April 1994 issue of SPIN Magazine! Thanks internet!

The plot up to this point is that the members of Soundgarden are eating and knocking back a few beers when all of a sudden, Billy Corgan shows up and talks shop with the boys! Let's see how it turns out...


In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

"I'm thinking of making my next album really new wave," Corgan says, "like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen."

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn't buying. He's sore.

"Don't you see," Thayil says, "you're this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don't need all this...stuff."

"What sign are you?" Corgan asks.

"What do you mean, what sign am I?" Thayil says. "What difference could that possibly make?"

"C'mon," wheedles Corgan, "when is your birthday?"

"All right, goddamn it: September 4th."

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil's heart: "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back."

Thayil explodes: "What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?"

"But I hate it," Corgan says, "it means they don't think I'm the cute one."

"Ooh," Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, "I'll bet he's going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him."

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart." The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

Matt Cameron is a little astounded. "Kim should rent himself out as a tour shrink," he says.

This was awesome.

Millzners: Corgan's an ass, but he wrote some of the finest music of the 90's.



He also wrote some of the worst

Smashing Pumpkins have some really good stuff, but also some wholly terrible stuff.

I think the Pumpkins might have been the most prolific band of the 90's, so yeah, there's a fair amount of dross in there. You can't deny the greatness of "Siamese Dream", though.

I still love the song writing, but the man's ears are shot. I would have liked "Zeitgeist" a lot more if it had been mixed properly. He needs to let Butch Vig, or at least Flood, produce his next album.

noheadphones: Wait--let me think about this.

Whose last solo album was better? Corgan's or Chamberlin's?

That would be Chamberlin's, by about a mile.


Not to mention he had Adam Benjamin (new window) on that album -- awesome.

"Like Pete Townshend before him..."

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

/No

Did that dude just call me a biatch?

Fark Billy Corigan in the ass with flaming hot steel wool!

Saw him in 1994 @ Shoreline for Lollapalooza. He started trash talking the audience for not cheering loud enough. Crowd said STFU and started walking out.

Was completely out shined by the Beastie Boys and George Clinton who went on before.

/teh lawn was a RIOT during the BB set

jalora: I think the Pumpkins might have been the most prolific band of the 90's, so yeah, there's a fair amount of dross in there. You can't deny the greatness of "Siamese Dream", though.

I still love the song writing, but the man's ears are shot. I would have liked "Zeitgeist" a lot more if it had been mixed properly. He needs to let Butch Vig, or at least Flood, produce his next album.

I've had the theory that Vig, Flood, and Alan Moulder were more integral to SP's sound than James and D'arcy ever were.

Ass_Master_Flash: Saw him in 1994 @ Shoreline for Lollapalooza. He started trash talking the audience for not cheering loud enough. Crowd said STFU and started walking out.

This (new window) is the proper way to end a concert early if the crowd is pissing you off for lack of energy.

/ok, not really, but it is kind of funny

Killer Cars: /ok, not really, but it is kind of funny

oops...last part got cut out. They still played their whole "set", but he cut out their usual three to five minutes of riffs at the end because he didn't think the crowd was really into it.

At least he didn't verbally berate them at the very beginning for it, though.

As long as he gets more farking hot chicks as bass players, who gives a shiat. let the emo albums roll.

Umokay: As long as he gets more farking hot chicks as bass players, who gives a shiat. let the emo albums roll.

Use google to find out what emo is, and more importantly NOT. You are banned from using that word until you know what it means.

apeiron242: Use google to find out what emo is, and more importantly NOT

The definition from Urban Dictionary:
Emo:
Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle.



OK, so I missed the black square glasses. But everything else...

Ass_Master_Flash: Fark Billy Corigan in the ass with flaming hot steel wool!

Saw him in 1994 @ Shoreline for Lollapalooza. He started trash talking the audience for not cheering loud enough. Crowd said STFU and started walking out.

Was completely out shined by the Beastie Boys and George Clinton who went on before.

/teh lawn was a RIOT during the BB set

I was at that show. I didn't get why everyone was butt-hurt. It's just a rock concert. Sometimes *rockstars* antagonize the crowd for kicks. I enjoyed the show. I think you were paying way too much attention to the between-song banter. Beastie Boys were good too, but you can't close a show with a hip-hop group after a loud rock band. It just doesn't work dynamically.

It's not news, it's smashingpumpkins.com.

Umokay: apeiron242: Use google to find out what emo is, and more importantly NOT

The definition from Urban Dictionary:
Emo:
Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle.



OK, so I missed the black square glasses. But everything else...

Rifts =/= riffs. Usage errors undermine the credibility of your source.

NorCalLos: Umokay: apeiron242: Use google to find out what emo is, and more importantly NOT

The definition from Urban Dictionary:
Emo:
Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle.



OK, so I missed the black square glasses. But everything else...

Rifts =/= riffs. Usage errors undermine the credibility of your source.

LOL, wasn't that word supposed to go with the next part of the sentence? It should read "inaudible guitar, and [sic] rifts with tight wool sweaters". You see, Emos don't get along with their tight, wool sweaters, but they wear them anyway to show their strength and commitment to non-conformity.

Umokay: As long as he gets more farking hot chicks as bass players, who gives a shiat. let the emo albums roll.

I would definitely apply all bass-playing techniques other than using a pick.

noheadphones: Wait--let me think about this.

Whose last solo album was better? Corgan's or Chamberlin's?

That would be Chamberlin's, by about a mile.


Oh yeah, "Life Begins Again" is completely awesome.

/I gotta go play "Streecrawler" now

C&P of my HuffPo comment:

No, he deserves to be called out.

He tours under the name Smashing Pumpkins, he wants Smashing Pumpkins fame/money, but he doesn't want to deliver the Smashing Pumpkins product.

With Jimmy Chamberlin gone, it's a joke to continue under the Smashing Pumpkins name. He biatches about people who show up to Pumpkins shows expecting to hear the big radio hits, yet he's insistent on billing these shows as Smashing Pumpkins.

If he retired the Pumpkins name and toured under as a solo act with a backing band, he would justifiably have the freedom to do what he has been doing since 2007.

If you haven't noticed, SP setlists consist of lots of B-sides, unreleased tracks, soundtrack songs, and cuts from Machina II (no retail release), and other EP/single cuts. Billy should realize that many people fell in love with the 90s Smashing Pumpkins band that had FM radio success. When people pay $60+ for a ticket to an SP show, they're going to expect to hear a few hits.

Billy, if you're the only original member, and you don't want to play the radio hits, maybe you should tour as a solo artist with a backing band.

Billy should follow Trent Reznor's lead, he plays for 2+ hours a night with a great mix of hits, new songs, and usually a couple deep cuts from old albums.

Dipsh*ts who identify music genres by some stupid teen fan's hair or clothes is clueless.

"Emo" as original intent was used as description to a trend in punk more "emotional" than other types of punk. Emo was more poetic where hardcore punk was mare anarchic and visceral.

Lungfish were one of the original "emo" bands and quite superb.
Minor Threat another.

How "emo" became associated with those pathetic little pseudo-goth kids is beyond me. I really don't care anyway.

I just like music.

craigdamage: Dipsh*ts who identify music genres by some stupid teen fan's hair or clothes is clueless.

"Emo" as original intent was used as description to a trend in punk more "emotional" than other types of punk. Emo was more poetic where hardcore punk was mare anarchic and visceral.

Lungfish were one of the original "emo" bands and quite superb.
Minor Threat another.

How "emo" became associated with those pathetic little pseudo-goth kids is beyond me. I really don't care anyway.

I just like music.

You sound quite emo or maybe your internet board angst is just overshadowing your purist musical tastes.

ConnieLingus: jalora: I think the Pumpkins might have been the most prolific band of the 90's, so yeah, there's a fair amount of dross in there. You can't deny the greatness of "Siamese Dream", though.

I still love the song writing, but the man's ears are shot. I would have liked "Zeitgeist" a lot more if it had been mixed properly. He needs to let Butch Vig, or at least Flood, produce his next album.

I've had the theory that Vig, Flood, and Alan Moulder were more integral to SP's sound than James and D'arcy ever were.

this is most certainly true, just moulder's mixing of Siamese Dream alone was one of the defining moments of that record and the Pumpkin's career. Between the three of them they were able to take Billy's great songs and make them into great records. Zeitgeist was one of the worst sounding records I've ever heard. It sounds like they got the reference demo mixed up with the master. Sadly, there's probably a great record in there but I can't listen to the thing.

Southern Atheist: C&P of my HuffPo comment:

No, he deserves to be called out.

He tours under the name Smashing Pumpkins, he wants Smashing Pumpkins fame/money, but he doesn't want to deliver the Smashing Pumpkins product.

With Jimmy Chamberlin gone, it's a joke to continue under the Smashing Pumpkins name. He biatches about people who show up to Pumpkins shows expecting to hear the big radio hits, yet he's insistent on billing these shows as Smashing Pumpkins.

If he retired the Pumpkins name and toured under as a solo act with a backing band, he would justifiably have the freedom to do what he has been doing since 2007.

If you haven't noticed, SP setlists consist of lots of B-sides, unreleased tracks, soundtrack songs, and cuts from Machina II (no retail release), and other EP/single cuts. Billy should realize that many people fell in love with the 90s Smashing Pumpkins band that had FM radio success. When people pay $60+ for a ticket to an SP show, they're going to expect to hear a few hits.

Billy, if you're the only original member, and you don't want to play the radio hits, maybe you should tour as a solo artist with a backing band.

Billy should follow Trent Reznor's lead, he plays for 2+ hours a night with a great mix of hits, new songs, and usually a couple deep cuts from old albums.

I see what you're saying, but I will say this: I can't friggin stand most of SP's radio songs. Bullet, Zero, Today, 1979, especially disarm -- those songs are so played out. I've never seen SP live but I'd much rather hear Pissant, Hello Kity Kat, and Marquis in Spades than those tired old hits he hates playing anyway. There is something to be said for an artist performing songs they actually enjoy playing, instead of going thru the motions. Just my opinion.

Millzners: Southern Atheist: C&P of my HuffPo comment:

No, he deserves to be called out.

He tours under the name Smashing Pumpkins, he wants Smashing Pumpkins fame/money, but he doesn't want to deliver the Smashing Pumpkins product.

With Jimmy Chamberlin gone, it's a joke to continue under the Smashing Pumpkins name. He biatches about people who show up to Pumpkins shows expecting to hear the big radio hits, yet he's insistent on billing these shows as Smashing Pumpkins.

If he retired the Pumpkins name and toured under as a solo act with a backing band, he would justifiably have the freedom to do what he has been doing since 2007.

If you haven't noticed, SP setlists consist of lots of B-sides, unreleased tracks, soundtrack songs, and cuts from Machina II (no retail release), and other EP/single cuts. Billy should realize that many people fell in love with the 90s Smashing Pumpkins band that had FM radio success. When people pay $60+ for a ticket to an SP show, they're going to expect to hear a few hits.

Billy, if you're the only original member, and you don't want to play the radio hits, maybe you should tour as a solo artist with a backing band.

Billy should follow Trent Reznor's lead, he plays for 2+ hours a night with a great mix of hits, new songs, and usually a couple deep cuts from old albums.

I see what you're saying, but I will say this: I can't friggin stand most of SP's radio songs. Bullet, Zero, Today, 1979, especially disarm -- those songs are so played out. I've never seen SP live but I'd much rather hear Pissant, Hello Kity Kat, and Marquis in Spades than those tired old hits he hates playing anyway. There is something to be said for an artist performing songs they actually enjoy playing, instead of going thru the motions. Just my opinion.

Thing is, if you're a Pumpkins fan, you'd know in advance what you were in for, as opposed to some dick with $90 burning a hole in his pocket.

Umokay You sound quite emo or maybe your internet board angst is just overshadowing your purist musical tastes.


I am a 40 year old guy from Texas who carries a gun.
My musical tastes range from Slayer to Chopin. Coltrane and Sabbath.


Try again.