They should get rid of "ask your doctor if PharmaX is right for you" instead

harryasaboy: They should get rid of "ask your doctor if PharmaX is right for you" instead

That was the law years ago. It was repealed roughly around when viagra hit the market.

I'm so entertained by this new rule. In all seriousness, it's going to completely shatter the business model for so many products.

I sincerely hope it works.

The Hydroxycut stuff is a scam, but Jared? Come on, anyone who doesn't think that's just "puffery" is too dumb for their own good.

Wait, what about Vince and Shamwow and his fight against Scientology!? (Does saying things that sound good but really mean nothing count?)

I think this is something that we all can agree is long overdue.

Hydroxycut is some crazy stuff. I took it for about two weeks and lost a bunch of water weight. I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I've still got half a bottle of the stuff and I'm not convinced it sped up my fat loss. The thing that's assisted the most with fat loss on my workout cycle this time around is the Animal Stak I'm taking. In 9 weeks of lifting 4 days a week and 3 days a week of HIIT cardio and strength cardio, I've lost numerous inches of fat around my love handles and ribs, along with packing on a ton of muscle in places I had trouble with before.

Years later, I'm still waiting for those wings that Red Bull promised me ;)

I thought Jared had AIDS?

question_dj: Hydroxycut is some crazy stuff. I took it for about two weeks and lost a bunch of water weight. I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I've still got half a bottle of the stuff and I'm not convinced it sped up my fat loss. The thing that's assisted the most with fat loss on my workout cycle this time around is the Animal Stak I'm taking. In 9 weeks of lifting 4 days a week and 3 days a week of HIIT cardio and strength cardio, I've lost numerous inches of fat around my love handles and ribs, along with packing on a ton of muscle in places I had trouble with before.

You sound like youre auditioning for an infomercial.

benlonghair: Wait, what about Vince and Shamwow and his fight against Scientology!? (Does saying things that sound good but really mean nothing count?)

No, this is just about "typical results". E.g. if you're selling an exercise tool, you can't show someone whose results are atypical. Rather, you'd have to show representative results of the typical user.

Now, they'll quibble about whether such users need to have used it every day, etc. but it'll still be a blow.

DrySocket: question_dj: Hydroxycut is some crazy stuff. I took it for about two weeks and lost a bunch of water weight. I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I've still got half a bottle of the stuff and I'm not convinced it sped up my fat loss. The thing that's assisted the most with fat loss on my workout cycle this time around is the Animal Stak I'm taking. In 9 weeks of lifting 4 days a week and 3 days a week of HIIT cardio and strength cardio, I've lost numerous inches of fat around my love handles and ribs, along with packing on a ton of muscle in places I had trouble with before.

You sound like youre auditioning for an infomercial.

Well I did get a Shamwow cuz it's made by Krauts and they make good stuff.

question_dj: Well I did get a Shamwow cuz it's made by Krauts and they make good stuff.

Do you use it to towel off after a heavy lifting session?

Does this mean that Bowflex will have to show ads of their machines being used as clothes hangers?

I've never known anyone to purchase a piece of home exercise equipment in which said equipment was not used solely for this purpose within six months.

/Not me, never stupid enough to buy that crap.
//I sound fat.

The Onanist: question_dj: Well I did get a Shamwow cuz it's made by Krauts and they make good stuff.

Do you use it to towel off after a heavy lifting session?

No, the shamwow isn't capable of sopping up the deluge of sweat that issues forth from my pores.

Damn. I've just been exercising and eating less.

I tried a couple of those weight loss things, hydroxy cut and bio-burn. They raised the hell out of my blood pressure and that was about it.

I quit and just started eating less and exercising more. Seems to work okay for me.

Cool, does this mean we can get rid of that iPhone 3G ad that shows unrealistically fast web-browsing at 15x the speed you get in real life?

question_dj: Well I did get a Shamwow cuz it's made by Krauts and they make good stuff.

you haven't eaten german ice cream, then

I'm taking Hydroxycut with BSN's CellMass and N.O Xplode and .. well, I see awesome results.

Dr.Knockboots: I'm taking Hydroxycut with BSN's CellMass and N.O Xplode and .. well, I see awesome results.

Hydroxycut is shiat. NOXplode, however, is amazing.

Dr.Knockboots: I'm taking Hydroxycut with BSN's CellMass and N.O Xplode and .. well, I see awesome results.

I had been using NO Xplode and CellMass for about 6 months. I just ditched the CellMass for just straight Creatine Monohydrate and micronized glutamine. And swapped the NO Xplode for Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump 250. I'm MUCH happier with this stack and have seen better results.

question_dj: No, the shamwow isn't capable of sopping up the deluge of sweat that issues forth from my pores.

That makes me wonder how Olympic divers can towel off with them.

question_dj: Hydroxycut is some crazy stuff. I took it for about two weeks and lost a bunch of water weight. I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I've still got half a bottle of the stuff and I'm not convinced it sped up my fat loss. The thing that's assisted the most with fat loss on my workout cycle this time around is the Animal Stak I'm taking. In 9 weeks of lifting 4 days a week and 3 days a week of HIIT cardio and strength cardio, I've lost numerous inches of fat around my love handles and ribs, along with packing on a ton of muscle in places I had trouble with before.

You should send me an email with what you do on those workouts. The trainers at my gym don't know jack and are convinced to just force me to build muscle mass because I have a great frame for it.

I just want to lose inches and not be some jacked up muscle bound freak.

/Yes, I'm big boned.
//EIP

So I'll have to go back to spanking it on Saturday mornings to The Firm and TurboJam infomercials?

Da Bum: question_dj: Hydroxycut is some crazy stuff. I took it for about two weeks and lost a bunch of water weight. I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I've still got half a bottle of the stuff and I'm not convinced it sped up my fat loss. The thing that's assisted the most with fat loss on my workout cycle this time around is the Animal Stak I'm taking. In 9 weeks of lifting 4 days a week and 3 days a week of HIIT cardio and strength cardio, I've lost numerous inches of fat around my love handles and ribs, along with packing on a ton of muscle in places I had trouble with before.

You should send me an email with what you do on those workouts. The trainers at my gym don't know jack and are convinced to just force me to build muscle mass because I have a great frame for it.

I just want to lose inches and not be some jacked up muscle bound freak.

/Yes, I'm big boned.
//EIP

Email sent.

The Onanist: question_dj: No, the shamwow isn't capable of sopping up the deluge of sweat that issues forth from my pores.

That makes me wonder how Olympic divers can towel off with them.

Pool water has nothing on my sweat.

question_dj: I had been using NO Xplode and CellMass for about 6 months. I just ditched the CellMass for just straight Creatine Monohydrate and micronized glutamine. And swapped the NO Xplode for Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump 250. I'm MUCH happier with this stack and have seen better results.

I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I hope you realize that all that expensive stuff you're taking is just going down the toilet.

Flab: question_dj: I had been using NO Xplode and CellMass for about 6 months. I just ditched the CellMass for just straight Creatine Monohydrate and micronized glutamine. And swapped the NO Xplode for Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump 250. I'm MUCH happier with this stack and have seen better results.

I was pissing 10-15 times a day to let out all the water I was pouring down my neck.

I hope you realize that all that expensive stuff you're taking is just going down the toilet.

Is this where I get the "You're just making expensive piss" line? I hate to break it to you but years of research disagree with that philosophy.

question_dj: I hate to break it to you but years of research annecdote and wishful thinking disagree with that philosophy.

It's amazing how quickly this thread turned from a condemnation of the advertising practices for questionable products to an advertisement for questionable products.

question_dj: I hate to break it to you but years of research disagree with that philosophy.

You mean research like this?

Active persons ingest protein supplements primarily to promote muscle strength, function, and possibly size. Currently, it is not possible to form a consensus position regarding the benefit of protein or amino acid supplements in exercise training. Determination of whether supplements are beneficial has been hampered by the failure to select appropriate endpoints for evaluation of a positive effect. Furthermore, studies focused at a more basic level have failed to agree on the response of protein metabolism to exercise. An additional complication of dietary studies that is not often taken into account is amount of energy intake. Because of these and other complications, studies at the whole body level have not yielded a clear picture of the need for, or response to, dietary protein or amino acid supplements. Consequently, it is necessary to examine this issue at the tissue level. In untrained subjects, both muscle protein breakdown and synthesis are increased in response to exercise. Amino acid intake further stimulates muscle protein synthesis after exercise as a consequence of stimulating amino acid transport into the intramuscular compartment. The stimulatory effect of amino acids after exercise is greater than the effect of amino acids on muscle protein synthesis when given at rest. These data suggest that not only may the exact composition and amount of an amino acid supplement be important, but the timing of ingestion of the supplement in relation to the exercise must be considered in designing future studies to evaluate the efficacy of amino acid supplements.

Source

Or maybe this:

Although nutritional supplements purported to increase muscle mass are widely available at health food stores, gyms, by mail order, and over the Internet, many of these supplements have little or no data to support their claims. This article reviews the theory and research behind popular nutritional supplements commonly marketed as muscle mass builders. Included are the minerals chromium, vanadyl sulfate, and boron, the steroid hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), beta-methyl-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB), creatine, protein supplements, and amino acids. Research has shown that chromium, vanadyl sulfate, and boron do not appear to be effective in increasing lean body mass. The few studies examining DHEA have not supported the claim of increased muscle gain. Preliminary work on HMB supports an anticatabolic effect, but only one human study is currently available. Many studies reported increased body mass and several have reported increased lean body mass following creatine ingestion. This weight gain is most likely water retention in muscle but could also be due to some new muscle protein. Although athletes have a greater protein requirement than sedentary individuals, this is easily obtained through the diet, negating the use of protein supplements. Studies on amino acids have not supported their claim to increase growth hormone or insulin secretion. Nutritional supplements can be marketed without FDA approval of safety or effectiveness. Athletes who choose to ingest these supplements should be concerned with unsubstantiated claims, questionable quality control, and safety of long-term use.

Source

I've tried a lot of supplements over the years, and protein powder is one of the few I still stand behind. For about 30 cents per serving (~25-30g protein, plus several grams milk), there just aren't any cheaper, better, readily-prepared sources available. And the better whey powders actually taste pretty good, all things considered. And Casein powders are good for staying full all night, especially for people like me who have a hard time going more than 4 hours without eating.

It's just a food, though, and I treat it as such.

I have had success with a basic protein supplement combined with a healthy diet (I do Eating for Life). I use protein shakes for my midmeals because they are quick and easy to make/consume and the drinks taste ok.

NikolaiFarkoff: For about 30 cents per serving (~25-30g protein, plus several grams milk), there just aren't any cheaper, better, readily-prepared sources available.

True, but getting the same proteins from a steak or a bag of nuts will give you other nutrients as well, if a little more expensive and requiring a bit more preparation (unless you eat your steak raw)

Flab: or a bag of nuts

Vince says youre going to like his nuts.

Protein supplements are great for a midmeal. Most protein supplements have other nutrients as well. I cant see making steak for a midmeal.

That included spitting out a baby, lest we forget.

Oreoy Cut > Hydroxy Cut

Broadcastdave: I cant see making steak for a midmeal.

I'm sorry to hear this. My condolences.

Seriously, I'm not dissing protein supplements. If you can't eat a full meal - for whatever reason - or if it prevents you from going medieval on the fridge at 2am, then go for it.

All I'm saying is that someone training 7 days a week like question_dj would probably see the same fat-loss/muscle build-up by only eating a balanced diet, and that yes, his protein supplement, vasodilatator with caffeine , and all the other crap he's taking are only there to make his pee expensive.

drevil877: I think this is something that we all can agree is long overdue.



Bye.
Bye Jared.
Bye Jared. So long.

Bring back the hot 50-year-old spokeswoman for Bowflex.

/That is all.

Very few American are buying anything right now except for ammunition, food and fuel.

Da Bum: I just want to lose inches and not be some jacked up muscle bound freak.

/Yes, I'm big boned.
//EIP

Riding a bicycle will take care of that right quick.

Truth in advertising, eh? Then they need to show how Axe body spray is actually hot girl repellant.

benlonghair: Wait, what about Vince and Shamwow and his fight against Scientology!? (Does saying things that sound good but really mean nothing count?)

Wait, what? The ShamWow guy is against Scientology? I must have missed a meeting.

Does that mean I wouldn't love Vince's nuts?

BKITU: Oreoy Cut > Hydroxy Cut


Lulz.

Yay FTC! Now to get Kevin Trudeau thrown in jail for being a douche.

I just hope we get rid of those work from home and make millions using the internet commercials. No bigger scams than those.

This new rule is crazy. Crazy like a fox!

That poor bugger Jared. Not only is he dead, but he also got busted for cocaine, had gastric bypass surgery, has recently contracted AIDS, and is the love interest of Fred Thompson.

I'll be at Taco Bell.