It's an interesting effort, but they're fermenting it much cooler than the original, so it's still not quite authentic. They don't say what yeast they used, either.

Another beer-snob thread.....*sigh*

das: Another beer-snob thread.....*sigh*

It's an article about 200-year-old IPA. You expected a discussion about the virtues of PBR from a can?

I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans.

Budweiser rules.
Take that, beer thread!

Balrog: I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans. getcha drunk

Balrog: I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans.

What I came in here to say.

/Will be enjoying a Hopslam shortly.

Balrog: I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil so you wouldn't mind all the buggery during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans.

FTFUK

Balrog: I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans.

Without the hops, and then the alcohol after it had fermented, it would go bad in the extreme heat as the ship traveled around Africa. It took quite a while to make the journey to India.

IPA was made on land, and fermented onboard ship after barelling up - which means, they were aged on a ship, not brewed on a ship. That., BTW, appears to eb what happened here.

But St_Francis_P is right - the reason India Pale Ale was invented was to have enough hops and alcohol content to be able to make it through the hot voyage to India without spoiling. A trawler in the North Sea isn't going to give the same fermentation rate - the temperature's too low. Way too low. If this stuff is up on deck, it's at cold-lagering temperatures or maybe even lower. That'll result in a completely different beer.

Odd - they are obviously aiming at the beer snob market. "Oh, how authentic are we - we're aging this IPA on a ship, just like it was done before!" But any beer snob will say what Francis and I were saying. Couldn't they find a container ship headed for India to do it right?

MMMMMMmmmmm......I will be making a trip to the store for some Deschutes Inversion now.

/Or Stone Ruination IPA

I love IPA, and it's not only because it's 7% - 10% alcohol. But that helps.

Avery Maharajah, I've been looking for a reason to but open my last bottle. I think Sunday is a good excuse.

Benevolent Misanthrope: IPA was made on land, and fermented onboard ship after barelling up - which means, they were aged on a ship, not brewed on a ship. That., BTW, appears to eb what happened here.

But St_Francis_P is right - the reason India Pale Ale was invented was to have enough hops and alcohol content to be able to make it through the hot voyage to India without spoiling. A trawler in the North Sea isn't going to give the same fermentation rate - the temperature's too low. Way too low. If this stuff is up on deck, it's at cold-lagering temperatures or maybe even lower. That'll result in a completely different beer.

Odd - they are obviously aiming at the beer snob market. "Oh, how authentic are we - we're aging this IPA on a ship, just like it was done before!" But any beer snob will say what Francis and I were saying. Couldn't they find a container ship headed for India to do it right?

you couldnt find one slow moving enough to replicate the journey id expect.

/used to be invovled in international shipping
//legally (pacer)

I know this is an IPA thread but has anyone tried Deshutes The Abyss (a russian imperial stout)? It is truly amazing.

But a container ship for India would go through Suez and not around the Cape like the original. What you would have to do is send your container on a multipart trek first to the Cape, then to India, then you could send it back through Suez. Also, it won't be shaken as much on a container ship as it would on a real Eastindianman. That would require something in the shipping container that would allow them to shake more, like a big gyroscope for each cask.

I so have to get ahold of one of those bottles.

/Loves IPAs
//Loves Brewdog
///Should love this beer.

Slaxl: Budweiser rules.
Take that, beer thread!

Bud/Miller/Coors/Etc. does indeed rule...marketing to your ever-loving brains.

farbekrieg

They need something like this to make it authentic.



/USCG Cutter Eagle

Anyone get malware popups from that link?

To be truly authentic it has to be brewed in a pig scrotum.

I like the idea of turning a very large ship into solely a floating brewery, then making many many many barrels of authentic IPA. Even take the trip around Africa. Will need to fight off pirates, though...yarrrrr!

blueyedevil: Balrog: I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans. getcha drunk

Make it so bitter its completely un-drinkable.

The pair prepared eight oak barrels which spent seven-and-a-half weeks aboard the Ocean Quest, a mackerel trawler captained by Watt, who is also a fisherman.

The Ocean Quest? That's a hunk of cod-sniffing crap. Give me the Atlantic Star any day of the week!

/Mackerel boat snob

I've read tons of brewing books, history of various styles, blah blah blah and I've never heard of India Pale Ale having to be brewed/fermented aboard a ship in order to be authentic to the "original" recipes.

That's just absurd from everything we know of British brewing history, Pale Ale and India Pale Ale in particular.

It also says nothing about the advent of glass bottling which was also driven by the India beer trade.

"Ours were at sea for seven-and-a-half weeks, so it's not exactly historically correct, but it was the best we could recreate.

Fark nabobs with East Indiamen are invited to do better.

Chucklz: Anyone get malware popups from that link?

nope

detfrost1: blueyedevil: Balrog: I thought the point of the IPA recipe was to make a beer strong enough and hoppy enough to not spoil during the trip. If you were making it on ship, you wouldn't need those attributes 'cause you'd be drinking it immediately. I'm calling shenanigans. getcha drunk

Make it so bitter its completely un-drinkable.

The good ones (IMO) balance the hops with enough malt sweetness for balance.

Chucklz: Anyone get malware popups from that link?

yep

More importantly, how much for a pint?

/Did not RTFA

c.j.: farbekrieg

They need something like this to make it authentic.



/USCG Cutter Eagle

You stationed in Kodiak? I just left that place a few months ago

Very cool but by his own admission THIS isn't true:

'"It gives beer enthusiasts a chance to taste what a beer like that would have tasted all those years ago." '

because earlier he said that the time wasn't long enough.

Nice try, though. Congrats!

Frank N Stein

Yep, here to the end of summer.

/that is all
//hot like the old journey to India

Recently discovered (by me) to be the best IPA out there.

Crown_of_Shoes: Recently discovered (by me) to be the best IPA out there.

is that from the russian river brewery in santa rosa?

Only tasted IPA in made in the US, so I haven't the foggiest what it's supposed to really taste like.The ones I tasted were, like most US "boutique" beers, overstated and rather like a soft drink with alcohol added and sugar removed.

I am, by my own admission, "a beer snob". However, I think the fact that they are trying to (at least) make a MORE authentic IPA is very cool. So what if it doesn't sail around the cape and there are other historical inaccuracies, etc... I'm just stoked that they're making a go of it.

fireandashes36: Crown_of_Shoes: Recently discovered (by me) to be the best IPA out there.

is that from the russian river brewery in santa rosa?

Yepper.

I'm not a big fan of IPAs or other super hoppy beers. Anybody can throw a bunch of hops in a barrel and have it come out tasting more bitter than a Fark Divorcee™.

Lately I've been on a Pilsner kick. I think it takes a lot of talent to successfully balance the delicate flavors, rather than just add pounds and pounds of hops.

Cake Hunter: The pair prepared eight oak barrels which spent seven-and-a-half weeks aboard the Ocean Quest, a mackerel trawler captained by Watt, who is also a fisherman.

The Ocean Quest? That's a hunk of cod-sniffing crap. Give me the Atlantic Star any day of the week!

/Mackerel boat snob

You want to go there do ya? I see your Atlantic Star and raise you an American Freedom!



/worked on her for two months, so I am kind of partial.

where can i get it and how much will it cost?!

Crown_of_Shoes: fireandashes36: Crown_of_Shoes: Recently discovered (by me) to be the best IPA out there.

is that from the russian river brewery in santa rosa?

Yepper.

Well since I'm in the bay area, I imagine my local bevmo will carry this. I'll pick some up this afternoon and report back my findings. =D

c.j.: farbekrieg

They need something like this to make it authentic.

/USCG Cutter Eagle

I see your USCG Cutter Eagle and raise you one Star of India (new window).



/beer might taste a little fishy though....

kakaPoo: Crown_of_Shoes: fireandashes36: Crown_of_Shoes: Recently discovered (by me) to be the best IPA out there.

is that from the russian river brewery in santa rosa?

Yepper.

Well since I'm in the bay area, I imagine my local bevmo will carry this. I'll pick some up this afternoon and report back my findings. =D

I used to feel the same way as The Icelander about just throwing in pounds of hops and creating a monster. I feel this way about many, many IPAs, including the oft-revered Dogfish Head.

However, Pliney The Elder has caused me to rethink my former position. They go very, very light on the malt, creating a very clean canvas on which they lay out a very complex hop flavor, well blended. The beer is NOT for aging, as a result.

Benevolent Misanthrope: IPA was made on land, and fermented onboard ship after barelling up - which means, they were aged on a ship, not brewed on a ship. That., BTW, appears to eb what happened here.

But St_Francis_P is right - the reason India Pale Ale was invented was to have enough hops and alcohol content to be able to make it through the hot voyage to India without spoiling. A trawler in the North Sea isn't going to give the same fermentation rate - the temperature's too low. Way too low. If this stuff is up on deck, it's at cold-lagering temperatures or maybe even lower. That'll result in a completely different beer.

Odd - they are obviously aiming at the beer snob market. "Oh, how authentic are we - we're aging this IPA on a ship, just like it was done before!" But any beer snob will say what Francis and I were saying. Couldn't they find a container ship headed for India to do it right?

Because the fermentation vessel is sealed anyway, I don't see what being on a ship is going to do to affect the final result, other than the temperature. And I'll wager that the temperature varies significantly from voyage to voyage. What makes it a "real" IPA is the water from Burton on Trent. Anything else is garnish.

Crown_of_Shoes: [bottle of Pliny the Elder]

Recently discovered (by me) to be the best IPA out there.

Pliny is just wonderful; it's like drinking liquefied hops but it's sooo smooth. I drank my last bottle for the Galactica finale and, living in St. Louis, means I'll go for a while without it. I'm still annoyed that I couldn't find a tapped keg of Pliny the Younger when I was in SF a couple months ago.

History lesson: the reason the British stopped taking over the world was because they realized they didn't have to get on a ship to have beer. They could stay home and drink it instead.

The rest of the world could learn a lesson from this example.

Benevolent Misanthrope: But St_Francis_P is right - the reason India Pale Ale was invented was to have enough hops and alcohol content to be able to make it through the hot voyage to India without spoiling. A trawler in the North Sea isn't going to give the same fermentation rate - the temperature's too low. Way too low. If this stuff is up on deck, it's at cold-lagering temperatures or maybe even lower. That'll result in a completely different beer.

Actually this has been discredited a lot of late. It's a nice story but it's totally bogus. See here for starters and here for a little more, and here for the treasure trove.

Balrog: Benevolent Misanthrope: IPA was made on land, and fermented onboard ship after barelling up - which means, they were aged on a ship, not brewed on a ship. That., BTW, appears to eb what happened here.

But St_Francis_P is right - the reason India Pale Ale was invented was to have enough hops and alcohol content to be able to make it through the hot voyage to India without spoiling. A trawler in the North Sea isn't going to give the same fermentation rate - the temperature's too low. Way too low. If this stuff is up on deck, it's at cold-lagering temperatures or maybe even lower. That'll result in a completely different beer.

Odd - they are obviously aiming at the beer snob market. "Oh, how authentic are we - we're aging this IPA on a ship, just like it was done before!" But any beer snob will say what Francis and I were saying. Couldn't they find a container ship headed for India to do it right?

Because the fermentation vessel is sealed anyway, I don't see what being on a ship is going to do to affect the final result, other than the temperature. And I'll wager that the temperature varies significantly from voyage to voyage. What makes it a "real" IPA is the water from Burton on Trent. Anything else is garnish.

Well...no. English ales have historically been fermented in open vessels using top-fermenting yeast.