Do I? Really?

You assume too much, dickmitter.

Any politician is going to piss off people.

What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing. He's the goddam President of your country... if he fails, you fail. You should be hoping he IS the chosen one, the messiah, because if he is everyone is better off.

I'm not saying you don't watch for serious missteps and try to keep him honest, but reaching for reasons to tear him down is just stupid and ultimately self-defeating if successful.

I think the media is getting pissed because their created "populist" revolt has failed. I think this was their last grasp for relevance, and it has failed.

I can't even imagine how retarded things are going to be in 2012, let alone 2016 at this rate.

GAT_00: I think the media is getting pissed because their created "populist" revolt has failed. I think this was their last grasp for relevance, and it has failed.

I think you just love rehashing stupid phrases that you hear on the tele and radio. I think this is your last grasp for relevance, and it has failed.

/see?
//I can do it, too!

Bored Horde: I can't even imagine how retarded things are going to be in 2012, let alone 2016 at this rate.

THIS. If we thought this last election was retarded, 2012 should be extremely entertaining.

/loves election years

Unsung_Hero: Any politician is going to piss off people.

What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing. He's the goddam President of your country... if he fails, you fail. You should be hoping he IS the chosen one, the messiah, because if he is everyone is better off.

I'm not saying you don't watch for serious missteps and try to keep him honest, but reaching for reasons to tear him down is just stupid and ultimately self-defeating if successful.

Huh...most of the lefties I know were gleeful when Bush failed.

tudorgurl: I think you just love rehashing stupid phrases that you hear on the tele and radio. I think this is your last grasp for relevance, and it has failed.

I haven't heard anyone else referring to the AIG stuff as a media created populist revolt. Who else is doing that?

You assured us that it was over back in November also. And December, And January, and February.

Each time we told you to STFU and go DIAF.

Guess what I recommend for you this time ?

Why hasn't he fixed everything yet?!

The thing that bugs me about the Katrina thing is...what else could Obama be doing? I mean, is there something MORE he could be doing? I'm not sure that there is and, to be honest, I don't know how much government involvement I enjoy.

Katrina was a defined moment with a specific window of direct aftermath where there is involvement that could've aided the situation. Bush was probably limited by the local governments, but it could be argued that taking pictures with a birthday cake was not the best course of action.

The economy has been in freefall mode since September? when the bottom fell out. How the bloody f*ck do you compare the two?

Bracket Obama is losing his luster.

Teleprompter boy better get his shiat together quick

Ima10urin8: HUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR

Fixed that for you

Ima10urin8: Bracket Obama is losing his luster.

Teleprompter boy better get his shiat together quick

or else you'll assure us next week that the sky is falling. And if that doesn't work then you'll assure us the week after that.

Pray that Mother Sarah can save you in 2012, it's the best hope you have left. As terrible as that is.

The president, at best is passing through history; he is not history. He can fail, miserably and completely and the US will survive and move on.

Maybe not like it was but believe you me, there are millions of people that wish every policy put forth by this white house will be a failure. If we are attacked, say the nutjob fantasy of a "dirty Bomb" in Philadelphia or Baltimore, will the nation survive? Yes.

If the President resigns this thursday because it's been discovered he, I dunno, was involved illegally with Governor Rob ro something would the nation survive? yes.

If the Opec nations blockade all oil shipments to the US and China calls in a trillion dollare in bonds, and only accepts euros, will we still be the US next wednesday? yes.

Don't confuse your present with the only time in history that matters.

And I hope he fails too. I'm working to get 60 representatives re-elected in districts lost by the Repubs in the last 2 cycles.

Thank yew.

sincerly,



whitechristianmaleveteransoutherner.

tudorgurl:
THIS. If we thought this last election was retarded, 2012 should be extremely entertaining.

/loves election years

I predict it will start in 2011. Heck it's all ready started now. It's crazy.

Chindit: And I hope he fails too. I'm working to get 60 representatives re-elected in districts lost by the Repubs in the last 2 cycles.

I dunno about you...but instead of hoping the other side fails...you might want to think about why your side has been kicked in the face for the past few years.

I love it that all the people who yelled for 8 years that Bush can only be judged in the rear view mirror of history, suddenly feel that Obama can be judged a failure in the first 60 days.

It's as if they believe Bush was a failure because the lefties said so, so if enough wingnuts say Obama's a failure, it will become so. Bush was a failure because he failed, not because people said he was a failure.

Michael Steele is right, you people have lost your friggin' minds. Good luck with winning over voters with that strategy.

On the human tragedy scale, and the mishandled leadership, Bush beats Obama by a furlong, but I guess considering that while Congress threw together a haphazard questionably legal quasi-bill of attainder to try to cover its own ass for the political fallout from the provision it passed allowing for the payment of the AIG bonuses in the first place, the President was at two photo-op "town hall meetings" and making awkward jokes about his lack of bowling prowess with Jay Leno, you do have to wonder if the guy learned anything from the PR disasters of his predecessor. Or, maybe his hubris prevents him from seeing anything wrong with that. After all, he was "outraged" about AIG executives receiving bonuses when his own Treasury Secretary allowed tax dollars to fund them in the first place.

Unsung_Hero: Any politician is going to piss off people.

What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing. He's the goddam President of your country... if he fails, you fail. You should be hoping he IS the chosen one, the messiah, because if he is everyone is better off.

I'm not saying you don't watch for serious missteps and try to keep him honest, but reaching for reasons to tear him down is just stupid and ultimately self-defeating if successful.

Are you REALLY that stupid? Really?

Uhhhh... "Katrina Moment"? Really?

Okay... I've been seeing a bunch of neo-cons spouting off with all these comparisons to Bush's worst actions in office but this is getting more than a little ridiculous.

You know what the Katrina moment was? It wasn't him dropping the ball as to how he reacted and how he would supply help to those that needed it. It was when, instead of doing things to help, Bush and McCain met on a tarmac to have some farking cake.

My guess, subby... you will make every attempt to find fault in Obama that you can. You probably didn't like him from the beginning for some reason or another. Which I highly doubt is based on anything outside of your desire to dislike him.

So why not come clean... why not tell us the real reasons you don't like Obama instead of throwing out more bullshiat? Of course there is a chance you're not even honest with yourself as to why you don't like him. Do try to remember though, your manufactured outrage is not actually helping anything. It almost seems as though you would prefer our country completely collapse rather than see Obama succeed at anything. In other words, I think you've got your priorities all farked up.

dj_bigbird:

Huh...most of the lefties I know were gleeful when Bush failed.

That's odd. I run a liberal/lefty organization, moderate a liberal/lefty message board, and am member of my county Democratic party central committee and I never once saw one "lefty" gleeful over Bush's failures. In fact, if I remember correctly, every time Bush failed and we expressed our rage, the "righties" questioned our patriotism and told us to move to France.

But hey it's nice to see a person who labels critics of Bush as "lefties" can at least admit that Bush failed. That's change I can believe in.

America is wising up to the failures of your Kenyan Prince, you Slaves of Obama.

tchamber: Do I? Really?

You assume too much, dickmitter.

There seems to be a lot more of people attacking the submitters recently. I think this needs to stop. NOW.

As I understand it, the headlines are supposed to be SATIRICAL (new window)

POAC: That's odd. I run a liberal/lefty organization, moderate a liberal/lefty message board, and am member of my county Democratic party central committee and I never once saw one "lefty" gleeful over Bush's failures. In fact, if I remember correctly, every time Bush failed and we expressed our rage, the "righties" questioned our patriotism and told us to move to France.

In fact... I distinctly remember hoping Bush would do something right for once. It was simply disappointment after disappointment. But the last thing I wanted was to be disappointed (or disgusted as the case was a number of times) AGAIN!

No... only people who put party loyalty before the betterment of our country hope that our leadership fails at their task. Everyone else hopes that whoever is currently in charge does a good job on everything they do since it impacts us all and we're relying on them to do a good job for us all.

Unsung_Hero: What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing.

Old and busted: If you don't support bush, you want America to fail
New hotness: If you don't support obama you want America to fail.

Everything old is new again.

That statement simply serves to minimize what an incredible cockup Katrina was.

hey, as a Canadian looking into the USA all I have to say is it isn't Obama's problem. It wasn't bush's fault either.

You guys need to regulate your markets. Its your free market greed that has destroyed your economy and until those banks collapse and you start over with proper regulation, you'll never get out of it.

Blame whoever you want, but you all think regulation = socialism. You'll fail until you fix this mentality. Regulation = protection from free ranging greed.

Obama at a 65% approval rating at Gallup.

Thats not exactly Katrina territory.

JohnnyC: You know what the Katrina moment was? It wasn't him dropping the ball as to how he reacted and how he would supply help to those that needed it. It was when, instead of doing things to help, Bush and McCain met on a tarmac to have some farking cake.


I disagree. The Katrina moment came years prior, when the Bush Administration decided, for ideological reasons, that a strong federal disaster management agency was a bad thing. So they defunded and basically neutered FEMA by shoving it in DHS.

And as the real icing on the take, the fact that FEMA then did a predictably bad job was held up as proof of why government can't help.

detfrost1: There seems to be a lot more of people attacking the submitters recently. I think this needs to stop. NOW.

As I understand it, the headlines are supposed to be SATIRICAL (new window)

That's all well and good... but here's the thing. It is exceedingly difficult to distinguish between Right Wing talking points and satire. In fact, sometimes Right Wing talking points go right past satire and straight into the realm of the bazaar. So generally speaking, headlines that are centered around Right Wing talking points are not considered satire by most unless it's plainly obvious that it is meant to be satire (which is rare).

tudorgurl: Bored Horde: I can't even imagine how retarded things are going to be in 2012, let alone 2016 at this rate.

THIS. If we thought this last election was retarded, 2012 should be extremely entertaining.

/loves election years

More like election TWO years. farking Hillary, Obama, and Mccain were over the news a YEAR before the stupid election even started! Man, I hate election years.

Unfortunately for the whiny cons the public is quite capable of distinguishing between somebody that caused an economic mess and somebody that inherited one.

Unsung_Hero: Any politician is going to piss off people.

What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing. He's the goddam President of your country... if he fails, you fail. You should be hoping he IS the chosen one, the messiah, because if he is everyone is better off.

I'm not saying you don't watch for serious missteps and try to keep him honest, but reaching for reasons to tear him down is just stupid and ultimately self-defeating if successful.

Quick question: Did you say this to the Bush bashers?

Chindit: The president, at best is passing through history; he is not history. He can fail, miserably and completely and the US will survive and move on.

Maybe not like it was but believe you me, there are millions of people that wish every policy put forth by this white house will be a failure. If we are attacked, say the nutjob fantasy of a "dirty Bomb" in Philadelphia or Baltimore, will the nation survive? Yes.

If the President resigns this thursday because it's been discovered he, I dunno, was involved illegally with Governor Rob ro something would the nation survive? yes.

If the Opec nations blockade all oil shipments to the US and China calls in a trillion dollare in bonds, and only accepts euros, will we still be the US next wednesday? yes.

Don't confuse your present with the only time in history that matters.

And I hope he fails too. I'm working to get 60 representatives re-elected in districts lost by the Repubs in the last 2 cycles.

Thank yew.

sincerly,



whitechristianmaleveteransoutherner.

I don't think the Dems will be losing those seats anytime soon.

RealDisagreer: hey, as a Canadian looking into the USA all I have to say is it isn't Obama's problem. It wasn't bush's fault either.

You guys need to regulate your markets. Its your free market greed that has destroyed your economy and until those banks collapse and you start over with proper regulation, you'll never get out of it.

Blame whoever you want, but you all think regulation = socialism. You'll fail until you fix this mentality. Regulation = protection from free ranging greed.

I don't know if its because I'm from Michigan therefor I can see Canada from my dad's office (in the ren cen), thus making me more rational...
But I completely agree with this sentiment.

The republicans should have never tried farking with FDR's policys, and shame on the democrats for letting them!

detfrost1: There seems to be a lot more of people attacking the submitters recently. I think this needs to stop. NOW.

As I understand it, the headlines are supposed to be SATIRICAL (new window)

You didn't get the memo. Around when Fark switched over to user-approved headlines, political discussions and headlines became SERIOUS BUSINESS.

JohnnyC:

In fact... I distinctly remember hoping Bush would do something right for once. It was simply disappointment after disappointment. But the last thing I wanted was to be disappointed (or disgusted as the case was a number of times) AGAIN!

No... only people who put party loyalty before the betterment of our country hope that our leadership fails at their task. Everyone else hopes that whoever is currently in charge does a good job on everything they do since it impacts us all and we're relying on them to do a good job for us all.

Zacly. I can't count the number of times our "lefty" discussions started of with "I hope I'm proven wrong, but...".

JohnnyC: detfrost1: There seems to be a lot more of people attacking the submitters recently. I think this needs to stop. NOW.

As I understand it, the headlines are supposed to be SATIRICAL (new window)

That's all well and good... but here's the thing. It is exceedingly difficult to distinguish between Right Wing talking points and satire. In fact, sometimes Right Wing talking points go right past satire and straight into the realm of the bazaar. So generally speaking, headlines that are centered around Right Wing talking points are not considered satire by most unless it's plainly obvious that it is meant to be satire (which is rare).

OK then how about all the subtard comments in THIS (new window) thread? It really is getting out of control.

Faith Logic Passion: Unsung_Hero: Any politician is going to piss off people.

What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing. He's the goddam President of your country... if he fails, you fail. You should be hoping he IS the chosen one, the messiah, because if he is everyone is better off.

I'm not saying you don't watch for serious missteps and try to keep him honest, but reaching for reasons to tear him down is just stupid and ultimately self-defeating if successful.

Quick question: Did you say this to the Bush bashers?

Here's the problem that Republicans refuse to acknowledge. No one wanted Bush to fail like this in the beginning. It was until the malfeasance of his administration because glaringly evident that people, not just Dems, turned on him. The very week Obama was elected Rush was already rooting for his failure and rallying the right to do what they could to make Obama's impending Presidency a failure. Like it or not, it's vastly different.

Ten years ago Frank Rich was a hysterical idiot overwrought about the political theater surrounding Monica Lewinsky and her blue dress.

Five years ago Frank Rich was a hysterical idiot overwrought about the political theater of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner.

Right now Frank Rich is a hysterical idiot overwrought about the political theater of the AIG bonuses.

Conclusion: Frank Rich is a hysterical idiot overwrought about political theater.

RealDisagreer: Blame whoever you want, but you all think regulation = socialism. You'll fail until you fix this mentality. Regulation = protection from free ranging greed.

Big mistake there bro.

I agree with everything you said except that part. Plenty of americans think regulation is needed.

Don't confuse what the right wing elites and their mouth pieces in the corporate media believe for what americans believe.
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Americans want more regulation of economy, poll finds

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/15/business/fi-econpoll15

Nicholas Urfe: detfrost1: There seems to be a lot more of people attacking the submitters recently. I think this needs to stop. NOW.

As I understand it, the headlines are supposed to be SATIRICAL (new window)

You didn't get the memo. Around when Fark switched over to user-approved headlines, political discussions and headlines became SERIOUS BUSINESS.

That's just silly. Oh well back to procrastinating from writing my paper with some other task.... maybe porn.

Spanky_McFarksalot: Unsung_Hero: What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing.

Old and busted: If you don't support bush, you want America to fail
New hotness: If you don't support obama you want America to fail.

Everything old is new again.

There's a difference between not supporting someone and actively wishing for their failure, but then again, I wouldn't expect a Republican to understand nuance.

Bulldog- we talk about our mistakes, we talk about Democrat party mistakes, we just believe we're more right than they are.

Loosing congressional seats over 2 concecutive cycles is not the same thing as cast into permanent irrelevancy. There are millions, we believe 1/2 the country, that will vote for the republican on any given issue, any given day. Most times, down here in the trenches, there's not much difference between the two anyway.

Only in the comments section of Fark are people that maybe vote once every few years able to codify the political struggle so simply.

Regulation=protection from free ranging greed. Wow, that explains everything from sneeze guards to cell phone use in vehicles, doesn't it?

A liberal having an honest disagreement with another liberal, instead of 'carrying water' for his cause.

Of course conservatives won't understand.

jackiepaper: Spanky_McFarksalot: Unsung_Hero: What I don't get is people who voted for the opposition just salivating at the prospect of Obama failing.

Old and busted: If you don't support bush, you want America to fail
New hotness: If you don't support obama you want America to fail.

Everything old is new again.

There's a difference between not supporting someone and actively wishing for their failure, but then again, I wouldn't expect a Republican to understand nuance.

Not only that, it appears besides outright lying (see Republican governors in TX, SC, AK) they are actively trying to make him fail.

Chindit: Bulldog- we talk about our mistakes, we talk about Democrat party mistakes, we just believe we're more right than they are.

Loosing congressional seats over 2 concecutive cycles is not the same thing as cast into permanent irrelevancy. There are millions, we believe 1/2 the country, that will vote for the republican on any given issue, any given day. Most times, down here in the trenches, there's not much difference between the two anyway.

Only in the comments section of Fark are people that maybe vote once every few years able to codify the political struggle so simply.

Regulation=protection from free ranging greed. Wow, that explains everything from sneeze guards to cell phone use in vehicles, doesn't it?

In this context, he was talking about regulations in the market place.

And if you want to get rid of sneeze guards, you're farking disgusting.

Chindit: we just believe we're more right than they are.

Which is why you've lost so many seats over the past few years and you have to hope for the other side to fail for you to gain them back?