So it is the right hate talk that has people digging up the addresses of AIG employees and going to their houses? No, I think not.

feckingmorons: So it is the right hate talk that has people digging up the addresses of AIG employees and going to their houses? No, I think not.

Way to cherry pick! People going to AIG execs' homes is the one and only hateful thing anyone is doing anywhere.

Do we know who dug up the AIG employees' addresses?

Both extreme wing talk can be dangerous, especially for followers weak enough to be influenced into something by....talk.

vygramul: Do we know who dug up the AIG employees' addresses?

Libslibslibslibs!!

The point is that that's only bad thing going on and it didn't come from Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck, therefore the right wing is hate-free.

Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

McVeigh is the perfect example, Eric Rudolph too. Even Charles Manson was a right winger FFS.

The primary difference is that crazies on the Right are also more likely to have bought into an unhealthy gun-nut culture.

It's the conjunction of the two extremes that is dangerous.

"These people are dangerous monsters who want to destroy America. We surround them. If this keeps up, we'll rebel, and have our own country."

Yeah, I'm sure no lunatic right-winger will take that to heart and commit an act of violence.

vygramul: Do we know who dug up the AIG employees' addresses?

The only way to rid the world of the Liberal is to kill him, don't you know?

Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: So it is the right hate talk that has people digging up the addresses of AIG employees and going to their houses? No, I think not.

Way to cherry pick! People going to AIG execs' homes is the one and only hateful thing anyone is doing anywhere.

and we all know that ONLY libs have been upset or held any ill feelings towards the AIG guys. Not one single Republican has EVER done so. EVER.

cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

Butt-hurt liberals threaten to move to Canada or Europe.

Butt-hurt neocons threaten to destroy American so they can have a Mad Max Utopia.

PacersJAM3s: How dangerous is the left-wing hate talk?

Affirmative action hurts certain races by putting innocent people at a disadvantage due to their race, but that's alright in your book I suppose.

/Just trolling up the river...

Bladel: Butt-hurt liberals threaten to move to Canada or Europe.

Butt-hurt neocons threaten to destroy American so they can have a Mad Max Utopia.

This

Mordant: Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: So it is the right hate talk that has people digging up the addresses of AIG employees and going to their houses? No, I think not.

Way to cherry pick! People going to AIG execs' homes is the one and only hateful thing anyone is doing anywhere.

and we all know that ONLY libs have been upset or held any ill feelings towards the AIG guys. Not one single Republican has EVER done so. EVER.

It seems to me that a fair number of politicians are more than happy to encourage ill will against AIG employees who have did nothing more than sign contracts with retention bonuses well before the recent issues came about, and certainly before the word "TARP" even entered our vocabulary (other than the blue thing a lot of folks around here used for a roof for a while - another story). And, it's good they have this scapegoat because it keeps the heat off of them for including the provision allowing TARP funds to pay for the bonuses in the first place, or supporting the plan without knowing it was in there. And now, they stoke the fires of public outrage by trying to cram the genie back into the bottle with a ridiculous, questionably legal, tax gimmick, yet where is the public outrage for the outraged officials who are either idiots for voting on something they hadn't read or even worse, knew it was in there and now act as though the results are a shock.

Crosshair: cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

Jim Adkisson and the Unitarian church shooting was a fan of books by Savage and Hannity.

The Unabomber Manifesto specifically targeted "leftists" and cited Eric Hoffer's anti-intellectualism.

Tim McVeigh was an extreme right-winger who embraced the NRA and protested Waco before going even further off the deep-end, saying everyone (including the NRA) was too liberal for his tastes.

None of these people are indicative of conservatism as a movement, or even directly reflect upon its values. But their madness clearly got inspiration from the rhetoric that men like Goldberg and Beck are putting out now, calling people like me (and half of America) enemies of the country and dangers to everything they hold dear.

Crosshair: cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

How 'bout shooting up a church after writing up a conservative manifesto filled with talking points from Limbaugh and others? (new window)

I mean, it's mentioned right there in TFA.

Crosshair: How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

Remember that shooting in Knoxville? BIG Hannity fan. Left papers ranting about how "libs" were destroying the country.

The head of the Arkansas DNC was also shot and killed by a guy who lost his job and decided killing a Democrat was in order. (new window)

Crosshair: cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

Come on now, you know the ELF whackjobs are really sedate CPAs during the day.

It's all pointless WHARGARBL for the weak minded. Spoon fed ideologies for those too inconvenienced to think for themselves.

You lunatics have a good time with this one. I am going to church and I may stop at the shooting range after that as I got a new Taurus Judge this week that I have to try out.

Bernie Sanders nails it on the head about Fox is distractionary and designed to divert attention from larger and more pressing issues.

Bait and switch is nothing new in the press game. It's better to get ratings, than do real journalism, and anyone who doubts that, has only to look at the tabloid show numbers. Real analysis is boring. Glenn Beck is entertaining in a sort of trainwreck way, and the thing about him is that you know that somewhere there's some fella in a basement with wrestling posters who desperately wants to believe that tripe--because the "knowledge" that he drops on folks makes them feel special and courageous.

The faux persecution complex is a useful tool. It makes folks feel special enough to be persecuted. It gives them license to nail a hand to forehead without the real pain, mess, and misery that usually goes along with being dragged off to camps and having their homes confiscated or stolen from them--thanks America from the Japanese-American community, BTW, that was a blast--or getting tossed in jail for daring to speak and showing up for a protest, and it makes them feel special and all warm and fuzzy that someone "gets" their plight. And once you have folks feeling all warm and fuzzy, you can direct them as a bloc.

And as tools, they are useful, and any tool can be a weapon if you hold it right.

But primarily, Fox serves the purpose to keep folks' anger--and it's going to get worse before it gets better, and it's going to go from faux to very real--pointed away from actually doing anything useful. Because that would put folks out of a job that they really like.

We have a culture in Washington that hates solutions. If you fix a problem, then you can't draw funds for it. You can't milk it for years and years. You manage a problem, then you get the cache of "doing something" about it, but without the risk of actually making it go away. That goes from bureaucrats to Senators. It feeds into the distraction, keeps it useful. Even necessary for things to operate as usual.

But at some point, we need to recognize when and where it's being done.

The "hate talk" is useful, and will continue to be useful, so long as folks want to keep folks from being able to focus. In part, it's what fuels the mess in the Middle East. The House of Saud is happy as heck to have folks pointed at Israel, and fired up about Israel, because otherwise, they might notice what's going on in their own country, and what's going on in the region outside of the lens of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and the tangential asides to the West.

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Bernie Sanders nails it on the head about Fox is distractionary and designed to divert attention from larger and more pressing issues.

Bait and switch is nothing new in the press game. It's better to get ratings, than do real journalism, and anyone who doubts that, has only to look at the tabloid show numbers. Real analysis is boring. Glenn Beck is entertaining in a sort of trainwreck way, and the thing about him is that you know that somewhere there's some fella in a basement with wrestling posters who desperately wants to believe that tripe--because the "knowledge" that he drops on folks makes them feel special and courageous.

The faux persecution complex is a useful tool. It makes folks feel special enough to be persecuted. It gives them license to nail a hand to forehead without the real pain, mess, and misery that usually goes along with being dragged off to camps and having their homes confiscated or stolen from them--thanks America from the Japanese-American community, BTW, that was a blast--or getting tossed in jail for daring to speak and showing up for a protest, and it makes them feel special and all warm and fuzzy that someone "gets" their plight. And once you have folks feeling all warm and fuzzy, you can direct them as a bloc.

And as tools, they are useful, and any tool can be a weapon if you hold it right.

But primarily, Fox serves the purpose to keep folks' anger--and it's going to get worse before it gets better, and it's going to go from faux to very real--pointed away from actually doing anything useful. Because that would put folks out of a job that they really like.

Don't you think one can make the same points now about MSNBC?


We have a culture in Washington that hates solutions. If you fix a problem, then you can't draw funds for it. You can't milk it for years and years. You manage a problem, then you get the cache of "doing something" about it, but without the risk of actually making it go away. That goes from bureaucrats to Senators. It feeds into the distraction, keeps it useful. Even necessary for things to operate as usual.

You're dead on about that. Well said.

feckingmorons: So it is the right hate talk that has people digging up the addresses of AIG employees and going to their houses? No, I think not.

I hate to break it to you, but that particular populist rage is bipartisan. Why else were the Republican for executive bonuses before they were against them?

Mentat: Why else were the Republican for executive bonuses before they were against them?

Because they're politicians. And they're for EVERYTHING before they're against it. And vice versa.

/see "no new taxes"\
//see also "i won't tax healthcare benefits"
///etc. and etc. ad infinitum ad naseum

The result of Right Wing hate.

As I recall, it was Bush the built the concentration camps. Didn't Obama tear them down?

I never really cared about Bill O'Reilly or Limbaugh. They said ridiculous things, but they never went past blatant stupidity or the twisting of facts.

Glenn Beck just makes me feel uneasy. His continued comments about how conservatism is being killed and they are being surrounded and they are alone and his continued effort to make people feel persecuted by liberalism and the democrats. It just seems like it is stoking those fires a little too much.

Muta: The result of Right Wing hate.

Oh yeah?

GIS For "the result of left wing hate"

Left-wing nutjobs on mass media don't bring in the ratings, get cancelled.

Right-wing nutbjobs on mass media rake in the commercial dollars, even get to lead political parties.

Therefore, left-wing listeners and viewers are better filters of bullshiat and lies than right-wing listeners and viewers.

Crosshair: cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

May I direct you to this Wikipedia article about anti-abortion violence? It's a laundry list of murders and bombings.

Link (new window)

How dangerous is the right wing hate talk?

Dangerous enough to kill. It has incited weak-minded individuals to kill in the past and it will again in the future.

That said, a safe society is NOT a free society. I'd MUCH rather face the slightly increased risk of getting shot when I go to my Unitarian church then face the prospect of having government employees deciding if some speech is "safe" for public consumption.

It's a painfully high price to pay-- but I gladly accept that.

I currently support Liberals in government. And (to point out where I agree with conservatives) I like guns. Wait, I LOVE them. Really. Shooting is therapeutic for me and owning a collection is a security blanket in a crazy world. In fact, there are many things I can agree upon with conservatives much like Chris Rock's famous rant about him being conservative on some things, liberal on others.

Don't make me pick a side based on it's Moron Content, however. The "Conservatives" will lose, given their penchant for chasing off anyone who stops and analyzes anything.

There are many like me.

The problem isn't talk radio, the problem is the audience.

cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

McVeigh is the perfect example, Eric Rudolph too. Even Charles Manson was a right winger FFS.

Don't forget Ted Kaczynski, his manifesto was actually a pretty ammusing read. He was so extreme right that some of his bits overflowed and ended up extreme left.

It's also worth mentioning non-liberal Grassley is the one who suggested, in the mass media, that the AIG clowns should commit suicide. He should have stood behind that, that would have been some good shiat.

dognose4: As I recall, it was Bush the built the concentration camps. Didn't Obama tear them down?

You could ask Skookum, but I haven't seen him around for a while.

The result of liberal hate

vygramul: Do we know who dug up the AIG employees' addresses?

bulldg4life: I never really cared about Bill O'Reilly or Limbaugh. They said ridiculous things, but they never went past blatant stupidity or the twisting of facts.

Glenn Beck just makes me feel uneasy. His continued comments about how conservatism is being killed and they are being surrounded and they are alone and his continued effort to make people feel persecuted by liberalism and the democrats. It just seems like it is stoking those fires a little too much.

FOX News is just going to milk the paranoia of the hard right until they're such a minor segment of the populous that they can make an editorial switch overnight and very few will even notice.

Murdoch and Ailes are smart guys. They know that they're running out of viewers, but as long as advertisers continue to make the content profitable they'll keep running it.

Glenn Beck is just evidence that they have jumped the proverbial shark.

I sure hope somebody brings up the Weather Underground to show how violent the left is! One example from decades ago... ELF/ALF has already been mentioned and I agree that they are counterproductive morans, but their actions are limited to property damage (certainly there is potential for harm to people, but hasn't happened yet as far as I know). Other than those, I can't really think of anything to compete with the big list on the right...

Bloody William:
None of these people are indicative of conservatism as a movement, or even directly reflect upon its values. But their madness clearly got inspiration from the rhetoric that men like Goldberg and Beck are putting out now, calling people like me (and half of America) enemies of the country and dangers to everything they hold dear.

This.

Regardless of whether or not right wingers are dangerous, that conversation was the biggest circle-jerk I've ever read. 5 people sitting around who agree with each other and sucking each other's dick? Boring.

So he's a concern troll. Big surprise.

12349876: Crosshair: cretinbob: Right wings speech is waaaaay more violent than left wing speech however.

How so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

May I direct you to this Wikipedia article about anti-abortion violence? It's a laundry list of murders and bombings.

Link (new window)

Lalalalalalalalalalala ! I'm still not aware on cause I can't hear you !! Lalalalalalalalala !

feckingmorons: You lunatics have a good time with this one. I am going to church and I may stop at the shooting range after that as I got a new Taurus Judge this week that I have to try out.

Be careful.

If you don't get to church in 26 minutes God will make your gun misfire.

Complicit: It's all pointless WHARGARBL for the weak minded. Spoon fed ideologies for those too inconvenienced incapacitated to think for themselves.

It's more like "Hurr a durr" these days.

"Believe in something!!! Even if it's wrong!!"

12349876: May I direct you to this Wikipedia article about anti-abortion violence? It's a laundry list of murders and bombings.

may you read your own farking link?

Some organisations in the United States which oppose abortion either explicitly or implicitly advocate violence against abortion providers in contrast with the majority of the pro-life movement.

Annoying troll is farking annoying.

Or I can see you and raise you a link about pro-abortion violence Link (new window)

Crosshair: ow so? I'm not aware of any recent right wingers setting off car bombs or setting fire to liberals homes?

Whatever, you silly little person.