If I'd carried and birthed twins, I'd probably want a sex change too...

FTA: Coronado went public "so people start to see a transsexual pregnancy as normal," the paper said.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA not a farking chance

Proper name for this procedure: Addadictomy.

/rimshot

PimpJuice: Proper name for this procedure: Addadictomy.

/rimshot

I recognize your achievement, sir. Haha, hahaha!

Ahhh, if it's a woman who wants to be a man, who is pregnant with twins, to be married to her female partner, then it must be Springtime...

PimpJuice: Proper name for this procedure: Addadictomy.

/rimshot

Spoken like a true dittohead.

So two indians were standing on a bridge...

Coronado went public "so people start to see a transsexual pregnancy as normal," the paper said.

No we won't.

Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...

What this woman is doing makes my brain hurt. Also, I don't think very many people, even the most open-minded Obama-voters among us, will see Transsexual pregnancy as "normal."

/those poor kids. They're going to get made fun of so much in school.

Just remember to save the genital reconstruction until AFTER you give birth or that's just going to be painful...

The one mother/ one father family is only less confusing for the kid if the dad wasn't previously a woman. I would imagine.

HMS_Blinkin:

/those poor kids. They're going to get made fun of so much in school.

this. won't someone think of the children???

Malinki: Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...

+1

always enjoyed that show...

This is why there's no such thing as transgender, only Gender-Identity-Disorder, a DSM listed mental illness with a 90%+ cure rate if treatment is started early enough. For more information google the Village Voice article See Tom be Jane

We have to start making some things unacceptable and then people will not do them. This is one of them. Even kids with 2 mommys or 2 daddys get farked up. I've read shiat and some do not end well.

/one man and one woman make babies
//test tubes is dangerous as well look at octomom

Meh. Whatever. I have never looked at "narmalcy" as anything to be aspired to anyway. If your idea of a fine human quality is "normalcy", you're a loser anyway.

Malinki: Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...

++1 Bert, one of the greatest characters on TV...ever

/this screams for pics

beoswulf: the Village Voice article See Tom be Jane

Oh my goodness I cant believe they actually encourage that....So like it would be the same if some kid thought that LARP was real. Then the parents went out and bought the kid a sword and said that he was a king and called him Conan???!!!??? And allowed him to continue....

/WOW thats disturbingthe kid should be removed for mental abuse by the parents

Malinki: Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...

THANKYOU!!!

/ It's been sooo long.

HMS_Blinkin: What this woman is doing makes my brain hurt. Also, I don't think very many people, even the most open-minded Obama-voters among us, will see Transsexual pregnancy as "normal."

/those poor kids. They're going to get made fun of so much in school.

The kids will be absolutely fine. The sex change will be done with before they are old enough to have a clue about any of it, and it will be easily hidden from then on. Depending on where the biological father is in the picture, they might not even have to tell the child until he is older, and he would never have to tell anyone else.

What this woman, and other transsexuals, are doing is trying to make sense of a world that left them without the standard matchups between body, hormones, and brain.

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Even kids with 2 mommys or 2 daddys get farked up. I've read shiat and some do not end well.


I've known a few they all turned out better than divorcee kids typically do..

I'd say 3/10 only because you mention "reading" in context to articles (most tolls only require a "see spot run" run level of education), though I'm partially in agreement on the Octomom slashie, if only because of social/financial restraints she was alweady under.

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: We have to start making some things unacceptable and then people will not do them. This is one of them. Even kids with 2 mommys or 2 daddys get farked up. I've read shiat and some do not end well.

/one man and one woman make babies
//test tubes is dangerous as well look at octomom

I don't know, homosexual but non-transsexual parents seem to do ok. Gay parents are ate least comfortable with their sexual identity as either male or female.
The problem with what the person in TFA is doing is that he/she isn't even in a stable place with regards to his/her physical sex (much less other, less FUNDAMENTAL facets of life). How can a person like that raise a child?

Smackledorfer: HMS_Blinkin: What this woman is doing makes my brain hurt. Also, I don't think very many people, even the most open-minded Obama-voters among us, will see Transsexual pregnancy as "normal."

/those poor kids. They're going to get made fun of so much in school.

The kids will be absolutely fine. The sex change will be done with before they are old enough to have a clue about any of it, and it will be easily hidden from then on. Depending on where the biological father is in the picture, they might not even have to tell the child until he is older, and he would never have to tell anyone else.

What this woman, and other transsexuals, are doing is trying to make sense of a world that left them without the standard matchups between body, hormones, and brain.

4/10

Strange days indeed. A most peculiar Mama...

beoswulf: This is why there's no such thing as transgender, only Gender-Identity-Disorder, a DSM listed mental illness with a 90%+ cure rate if treatment is started early enough. For more information google the Village Voice article See Tom be Jane

I've got a bachelor's in psychology. I'm going to have to ask for a citation on this "cure" rate you speak of. Ignoring the fact that nobody would use the term the "cure" if they knew wtf they were talking about, even a 90% success rate at limiting the identity confusion would suffice for your citation.

What they taught me less than a decade ago is that after autopsying these gender-confused people they commonly find that areas of the brain that are different sizes in men and women are the size of the opposite gender, or in more basic terms parts of their brain don't belong to their birth gender.

Beyond that it was common practice for the longest time for babies born with improper genitalia to surgically changed to whichever body part is the easiest to craft on the baby's body.

Failing your citation and since I highly doubt you'll be back with anything even resembling scientific support: fark you for making shiat up and spreading it around. I have probably only gotten angry at someone for things they say on the internet a few times, but this is one of them.

SkyFlyer: 4/10

How was that a troll?

The kids aren't going to have any problems from other kids at school for the exact reasons I stated. If the kids are farked up at all then it is because the transgender in question is messed up in a way far above and beyond the level of information we are given here.

Funny. The most far-fetched L Word storyline turns out to be a real-life scenario.

Smackledorfer: HMS_Blinkin: What this woman is doing makes my brain hurt. Also, I don't think very many people, even the most open-minded Obama-voters among us, will see Transsexual pregnancy as "normal."

/those poor kids. They're going to get made fun of so much in school.

The kids will be absolutely fine. The sex change will be done with before they are old enough to have a clue about any of it, and it will be easily hidden from then on. Depending on where the biological father is in the picture, they might not even have to tell the child until he is older, and he would never have to tell anyone else.

What this woman, and other transsexuals, are doing is trying to make sense of a world that left them without the standard matchups between body, hormones, and brain.

Easily hidden except that the article mentions the names of the parents, which is online, and will probably be accessible in the future. Also, my concern is over the fact that there IS an article. A procedure like this could probably be done discreetly, but for whatever reason the mother went to the press. Is she an attention whore? That can't be confirmed or denied with the information in TFA, but if she is, then it's hard for me to imagine that she won't let her kids (and maybe others) find out about her past.

/just a theory.
//I hope they turn out fine, too

softshoes: Malinki: Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...

++1 Bert, one of the greatest characters on TV...ever

/this screams for pics

How 'bout video (new window) instead?

Smackledorfer: What this woman, and other transsexuals, are doing is trying to make sense of a world that left them without the standard matchups between body, hormones, and brain.

This. Most people's physical gender and mental/emotional gender match. Some do not. The option of changing gender is a good thing; cuts down on psychological problems and unnecessary suffering.

Also, some people see gender as a variable. I don't understand that, but far be it from me to denounce something for the simple fact that it doesn't make sense to me.

/consider myself lucky to be physically, mentally, and emotionally a woman

Noooo, she'll be the mother, seeing as she gave birth to them. A mother with a fake penis and her tits chopped off, but a mother nonetheless.

Smackledorfer: beoswulf: This is why there's no such thing as transgender, only Gender-Identity-Disorder, a DSM listed mental illness with a 90%+ cure rate if treatment is started early enough. For more information google the Village Voice article See Tom be Jane

I've got a bachelor's in psychology. I'm going to have to ask for a citation on this "cure" rate you speak of. Ignoring the fact that nobody would use the term the "cure" if they knew wtf they were talking about, even a 90% success rate at limiting the identity confusion would suffice for your citation.

What they taught me less than a decade ago is that after autopsying these gender-confused people they commonly find that areas of the brain that are different sizes in men and women are the size of the opposite gender, or in more basic terms parts of their brain don't belong to their birth gender.

Beyond that it was common practice for the longest time for babies born with improper genitalia to surgically changed to whichever body part is the easiest to craft on the baby's body.

Failing your citation and since I highly doubt you'll be back with anything even resembling scientific support: fark you for making shiat up and spreading it around. I have probably only gotten angry at someone for things they say on the internet a few times, but this is one of them.

Blah blah blah, Epic fail, that number is in the article mentioned.

And while there are exceptionally rare, statistically meaningless cases of babies born with ambiguous genitalia or both, chromosomal abnormalities as well as easily identifiable brain irregularities, these cases are so exceptionally rare they are statistically meaningless and could not account for all these transgendered . The vast majority of so called transgendered are just farked in the head, and no doctor should encourage their delusions with a scalpel.

HMS_Blinkin: Easily hidden except that the article mentions the names of the parents, which is online, and will probably be accessible in the future. Also, my concern is over the fact that there IS an article. A procedure like this could probably be done discreetly, but for whatever reason the mother went to the press. Is she an attention whore? That can't be confirmed or denied with the information in TFA, but if she is, then it's hard for me to imagine that she won't let her kids (and maybe others) find out about her past.

/just a theory.
//I hope they turn out fine, too

That is a point. One would have to assume that it stays in the public eye for a prolonged period of time (a decade at the least) and I doubt it will. The information and names will be out there, but they could change them and move later on if it would be a problem*. I know I've never been compelled to do random googling of the parents of my friends, but times have probably changed since I was in high school.

*They might just be horrible parents regardless of their gender status, or attention whores, and those two things are hardly limited to the genetically disabled.

It seems like the kids will grow up with two loving, caring parents who only want the best for their children, which is a hell of a lot more than many kids raised in so-called 'normal' families can say.

But hey, it makes some people feel icky, so lets call the parents freaks and deviants all the while feigning concern for the children.

If you're born a woman - then nature says you're a woman. Don't give me this brain resembles the opposite sex/trapped in the body BS.

This is farking disgusting. These people shouldn't reproduce.

the dirty secret is that there is no such thing as a surgery to make a woman a man, What you get is a weird lump of flesh not a true
penis. This is nothing more than mutilation.

Here's what I don't get. Assuming the future wife is a lesbian, when the current partner gets a sex change and is then anatomically a male, won't the future wife ditch "him" for a new lesbian partner?

It does make the whole same-sex marriage debate seem a little outdated. A good high school friend of mine transitioned M2F a few years later. Married a man in a quite-conservative state. Apparently, no one does a 'pants check'. No one even asked for a doctor's note. She tells me she had more legal hassle changing her name than getting her gender assigned.

zvoidx: If you're born a woman - then nature says you're a woman. Don't give me this brain resembles the opposite sex/trapped in the body BS.

This is farking disgusting. These people shouldn't reproduce.

Well, technically, they can't.

Anything to do with trans people really brings out the low lifes on FARK. This one is no exception.

How in the fark is she considered mentally stable enough to raise twins?

zvoidx: If you're born a woman - then nature says you're a woman. Don't give me this brain resembles the opposite sex/trapped in the body BS sciency stuff.

This is farking disgusting. These people shouldn't reproduce.

/Prejudice people like you are disgusting. You shouldn't reproduce.

archichris: How in the fark is she considered mentally stable enough to raise twins?

People aren't mentally unstable because they have gone through a LOOOOONG process to decide to become another sex. It doesn't happen overnight you know. It is a YEARS long process, not to mention that people know their true gender identity from the time they are tiny children. Usually they say between the ages of 3-7.

Repo Man: Anything to do with trans people really brings out the low lifes on FARK. This one is no exception.

THIS

Came for Heinlein. Leaving disappointed.

I don't really understand the transgender thing... I used to know a guy who thought he was gay, I just found out (5 or 6 years down the line) .. and I don't know how to put this really because I had no idea what to make of it either...that he's really a woman but also a lesbian.

Now he's pre-op, so actually just a guy pretending to be a woman...who is a lesbian. I asked him if that just makes him straight and apparently, some how, it doesn't.



Onto this story, this woman just seems to want to have her cake and eat it too (pardon the cliche)... She wants to be a man, but still bear children? That's something men don't do...this makes absolutely no sense to me.

beoswulf: Blah blah blah, Epic fail, that number is in the article mentioned.

And while there are exceptionally rare, statistically meaningless cases of babies born with ambiguous genitalia or both, chromosomal abnormalities as well as easily identifiable brain irregularities, these cases are so exceptionally rare they are statistically meaningless and could not account for all these transgendered . The vast majority of so called transgendered are just farked in the head, and no doctor should encourage their delusions with a scalpel.

Ok, I read that article, and it barely touched on Zucker's work, only says the success rate he claims, doesn't define what success is, and is focused on helping children and catching it at an early stage. That said, I have no problem with the work he is doing, because unlike you, I didn't read that paragraph as "drrr, transgender is made up, 90% of cases are easily cured and fixed for life, no worries!"

The reality of transgender is that it isn't as simple as a woman caught in a man's body, or a man trapped in woman's. I do think that the first approach, especially when working with a child, is exactly what Zucker suggests: teach the children acceptance of their body and their situation and don't push them towards the opposite sex. That is hardly a cure, nor is it in any way, shape, or form evidence for your point that there is no such thing as transgender and its just a minor mental disorder without a physical cause.

As for "easily identifiable brain irregularities" you are full of shiat. There is nothing easy about looking at the workings of the brain. Short of tumors and dead areas or extremely overactive areas, we really don't see everything we need to when we look at it. I submit that no one who is so ignorant of physiology and psychology should ever again run their mouth about what doctors should or should not do.

Meh. The chickadude from Bend, Oregon already did this. Twice.

I guess twins still beats suited facecards.

//won't somebody think of the turkey basters?
//How come my dad is the only one with PMS?

Picture of the happy couple. *hint*Ruben is on the left...

Smackledorfer:
Beyond that it was common practice for the longest time for babies born with improper genitalia to surgically changed to whichever body part is the easiest to craft on the baby's body.


Something else a lot of people who don't get transsexualism don't get. A shocking number of babies are born of indeterminate sex. In some societies, they just raise the kid and the identity either makes itself known as puberty approaches, or the kid has a chance at a remarkable future career in the adult entertainment industries.

In our society, they kinda "fix" things shortly after birth, because everyone needs to be pigeonholed. And then there's the circumcision oopsie.

Usually things go okay until puberty just sort of doesn't happen. Ever know someone in high school who just didn't seem to "bloom"? A lot of them are like that. They do hormone therapy to move things along.

It would be a lot easier if our society WASN'T so hung up on gender roles, but surgery on a few hundred people is a lot easier than wholesale cultural realignment.

/i has a penis, the one i was born with, and I'm happy with that