30 years? I thought there was some kind of statute of limitations on this kind of case. Any thoughts, law farkers?

The case was probably filed years ago, but took this long for Lederle's lawyers to finally run out of stonewalling tricks.

2xhelix: The case was probably filed years ago, but took this long for Lederle's lawyers to finally run out of stonewalling tricks.

This.

Wow. suit was filed when I was 14. Just wow.

Anyway, let me go ahead and Cliffs Notes the thread:

Blah blah autism blah blah thimerosal blah blah pharmaceutical industry blah blah chemtrails blah blah Area 51 blah blah conspiracy blah blah whaargaarbl blah blah Jenny McCarthy blah blah socialized medicine blah blah herd immunity blah blah parental rights blah blah duh durrrrrrr drool.

There, now you can go out (into a >90% immunized community) and safely interact with your family rather than spend time on a subject which, like evolution, has already been subjected to actual scientific scrutiny, and is being acted upon correctly by public health officials.

There's a much better article.

He sued two years after he got polio. The case spent 28 years in various proceedings, including appeals. His case would not be allowed under current law because you can't sue in state court over vaccines any more. There's a federal review process. The law was not retroactive.

The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand. (PSA: you shouldn't rub feces on an open wound even if they aren't polio-infected.)

ZAZ: There's a much better article.

He sued two years after he got polio. The case spent 28 years in various proceedings, including appeals. His case would not be allowed under current law because you can't sue in state court over vaccines any more. There's a federal review process. The law was not retroactive.

The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand. (PSA: you shouldn't rub feces on an open wound even if they aren't polio-infected.)

So he was a shiat hand?

ZAZ: The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand. (PSA: you shouldn't rub feces on an open wound even if they aren't polio-infected.)

Great, now you tell me.

Marco?

/stupid...I know

Maybe the dumbass should have gotten himself vaccinated first.

Or, stop doing erotic stuff with his infant daughter's shiat. What is this? Germany?

That's one hell of a choice. $22,500,000 to get polio, hmmmmmm.

Someone claiming to be a juror for the trial posted in the comments section with more info.

Ok, getting polio would suck, and an oral polio vaccine using live virus probably wasn't the best invention ever. But did he wash his hands after he changed the diaper?

/hey bamco75
//polio!

He probably got it from a wound on his hand? Damn.

There go my Eat Shiat and Get Polio jokes.

ESAGP is a terrible acronym anyway ;)

Wow, what are the odds. Less than 1% of people infected get paralysis. He probably got immunized when the vaccine came out (probably killed Sabin version), so that failed. The amount of shed virus is low (it has to mutate to wild type first). Granted, according to the comments to the article it was supposedly a more infectious batch, but I have no idea what they mean. Also, he supposedly washed his hands. Sounds like he won the polio lotto.

Dude, wash your hands after you wipe your ass, or the ass of your infant child.

Dude, you're not supposed to EAT it!!

I've known people who had polio (an uncle died of it). Really terrible disease that kills slowly and painfully. When polio vaccines were first developed back in the fifties it was a huge advance, within ten years the US went from almost 60,000 cases a year to less than 200. Worldwide cases have gone from hundreds of thousands to sporadic outbreaks (thanks in large part to Bill Gates by the way).

This case illustrates why healthcare is so expensive in the US. You trade off the tens of thousands of cases that were occurring for a one-in-ten-million chance of someone catching the disease from the vaccine, then let the lawyers collect millions from the vaccine maker when that one case happens.

Songs like 'Uh Oh, Polio just ain't hittin it with today's youth.

/kickin it, elderly school

unfarkingbelievable: Dude, you're not supposed to EAT it!!

Well, it was an oral vaccine, and his daughter did eat all of it, so...

I've known dogs who thought that cat poop was just processed (but still yummy) cat food ;)

ZAZ: There's a much better article.

He sued two years after he got polio. The case spent 28 years in various proceedings, including appeals. His case would not be allowed under current law because you can't sue in state court over vaccines any more. There's a federal review process. The law was not retroactive.

The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand. (PSA: you shouldn't rub feces on an open wound even if they aren't polio-infected.)

There goes date night.

Polio from your daughter's diaper? That's a shiatty thing to have happen.

Is she hot?

soapdish: Is she hot?

Who cares. She's going to inherit money now ;)

Conservationist
There were other issues with the vaccine, and it has now been replaced by a non-live version.

There might have been issues with the with that batch, apparently the jury was convinced. Not enough detail in the articles I read to say how much of their decision was based on science and how much was based on emotional testimony from a guy in a wheelchair.

The oral (live virus) vaccine is still the most commonly used vaccine worldwide. It's not used much in the US anymore because polio has pretty much been eradicated, and people receiving the injection (killed virus) are under the care of a physician.

Gotta disagree with the judgment. The risk of the live virus was well known. If the MD did not advise, that is the MDs issue, not the vaccine manufacturer. 25 years ago, I was warned for my oldest. And again for the next. His getting polio sucks, a few billion kids who did not is the cost. That is simply how it works.

Love the part of the comments section for the article where someone claims to have been a juror and talks about the shot. I wonder what part of Oral Polio Vaccine they do not understand. Idiots on juries is one reason the jury system sucks.

If, however, as they claim the lot of vaccine in question failed safety testing and was sent out anyway, well that is the whole point and deserves to be highlighted in the article.

wademh: I wonder what part of Oral Polio Vaccine they do not understand

That was one vaccine I didn't mind -my doc put it on sugar cubes!

Faps_in_the_kitchen
for the win...

Conservationist: As usual, a procession of dunces who didn't read the article.

He did wash his hands.

There were other issues with the vaccine, and it has now been replaced by a non-live version.

At the time (1979) they already had a non-live version of the vaccine.

Marco!

WTF? I thought vaccines were made from dead virus?

The basic situation is the live version of the vaccine is more effective but carries a slight risk to those around the person getting the vaccine. Back when the polio risk was high the live version was used.

As the risk has gone down they have switched to the killed version which carries no such risk to those around the vaccinated person.

This switchover isn't an indication the original vaccine was bad, it's a matter of changing risk factors. The additional risk isn't worth the additional protection when the risk of getting polio is low, it is when the risk is high.

ZAZ: There's a much better article.

He sued two years after he got polio. The case spent 28 years in various proceedings, including appeals. His case would not be allowed under current law because you can't sue in state court over vaccines any more. There's a federal review process. The law was not retroactive.

The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand. (PSA: you shouldn't rub feces on an open wound even if they aren't polio-infected.)

Words to live by.

In the comment section, a juror from the case explains why they came to the conclusion they did. Very interesting...looks like the vaccine company produced a particularly unsafe strain of vaccine.

Hello Sir, might i interest you in some chocolate covered pretzels?




/He must have had one nasty StinkPalm!

zippythechimp: ZAZ: There's a much better article.

He sued two years after he got polio. The case spent 28 years in various proceedings, including appeals. His case would not be allowed under current law because you can't sue in state court over vaccines any more. There's a federal review process. The law was not retroactive.

The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand. (PSA: you shouldn't rub feces on an open wound even if they aren't polio-infected.)

Words to live by.

Take a couple of Red Cross and Lab Safety courses, and all of a sudden, anything feces/blood/raw meat/etc seems to glow bright effing green before my eyes until it's gone and every surface or thing that's been touched has been washed in scalding water. I think it's a result of many well meaning instructors thinking that they better scare the shiat out of us, or we wouldn't take them seriously.

Apparently worked, too, I guess. I'm also amazed anyone could ever, ever think it was a good idea to remove a object from a puncture wound, or cut raw meat and veggies on the same board, or not properly secure compressed gas containers (although those were totally the best "worst case scenario" safety videos).

I'm fun at parties.

/only because I keep those thoughts to myself

buzzvert: Marco!

Polo!

Might not be a bad idea for everyone to take stock of their current immunization status. If you plan on ever eating out, (in a restaurant I mean, well, maybe... never mind) I suggest Hep A. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/adult-schedule.htm (pops) The more you know.

so he was dealt a shiatty hand?

The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand.

Wait. Back then, at his age, he should have been a recipient of the massive polio vaccination program in the 50s that the government initiated. Everyone got a free vaccination. (A pink dot of stuff on a sugar cube, dispensed in schools or other public places.) His acquired immunity should have prevented infection.

Unless he didn't get vaccinated back then.

I've not heard of such a potentially dangerous form of polio vaccine before, where it has a risk of giving parents the disease. Such a vaccine, IMO, should have been administered in a hospital setting, with the child isolated for the time it would take for (him/her) to no longer be infectious.

The length of the lawsuit is ridiculous. They need to start placing limits on the length of time these things can drag on. The guy is in his 60s and now the drug company is appealing the judgment.

That can drag on for another 10 years or so. By the time he actually gets any money, he'll either be too old to enjoy it or they'll pay it to his heirs.

Rik01: Unless he didn't get vaccinated back then.

yah
this is what I was thinking
why didnt he get vaccinated?
and if he didnt know, why didnt he get vaccinated when his kid did?fark him for the tard that he is
people who dont get vaccines should get a GIANT V branded onto their foreheads so we can shun them

Congress voted on this shiate last week, and it had a potent rider.

Rik01: The drug label warned that parents could get polio. This guy probably caught the disease because he had a wound on his hand.

Wait. Back then, at his age, he should have been a recipient of the massive polio vaccination program in the 50s that the government initiated. Everyone got a free vaccination. (A pink dot of stuff on a sugar cube, dispensed in schools or other public places.) His acquired immunity should have prevented infection.

Unless he didn't get vaccinated back then.
Clue the 1st, immunity from vaccination helps prevent, but is not absolute. People do get things like measles and chicken pox after having had them before. Your immune system is not perfect. Further note that many are now getting chicken pox vaccines in place of chicken pox but this is likely less effective for you as an adult (you will need a booster, and getting chicken pox as an adult is nasty dangerous.


I've not heard of such a potentially dangerous form of polio vaccine before, where it has a risk of giving parents the disease. Such a vaccine, IMO, should have been administered in a hospital setting, with the child isolated for the time it would take for (him/her) to no longer be infectious.

clue the 2nd. What you have not heard of does not really matter much. Live polio vaccine was the standard for a long time, since about 1962. It is rather safe, unless there is a screw up in the attenuation process. As far as 25 years ago, I recall signing a form to show that I understood the dangers for me after giving it being given to my kids.

namatad: Rik01: Unless he didn't get vaccinated back then.

yah
this is what I was thinking
why didnt he get vaccinated?
and if he didnt know, why didnt he get vaccinated when his kid did?fark him for the tard that he is
people who dont get vaccines should get a GIANT V branded onto their foreheads so we can shun them

Possibly V ?

/Something about Virgil Doorknocker's tatoo requires clarity.

so after reading about the history of polio, I am ready to place my bets

I bet
a) the father was never vaccinated
and
b) had his tonsils removed

therefore, through the actions of either his parents or himself, he left himself open to infectionfark him, he should get nothing

the history of polio is QUITE interesting
we didnt get epidemics until we stopped living in filth
the epidemics started in white affluent areas

solve one problem by removing the sewerage, create another
damn shiat
cant live with it, cant live without it

Conservationist As usual, a procession of dunces who didn't read the article.

He did wash his hands.

I cannot find any mention within the article of his washing his hands besides by a comment who claims to be a juror yet says "injection" despite Orimune being an oral vaccination. Comments are not a part of an article and we've not minimal assurance the claim was investigated much less true. He may have forgotten once, he may have waited too long, he may have not used soap, or contacted the surface after washing.

The article is rather bereft of details considering the enormity of the subject.

Might want to avoid licking your fingers after changing the diaper.

Vangor: He may have forgotten once, he may have waited too long, he may have not used soap, or contacted the surface after washing.

The article is rather bereft of details considering the enormity of the subject.

and yet if you had google polio and READ about how it spreads
you would have learned that polio is spread from shiat to mouth
LITERALLY
the virus sheds in feces and the virus is spread by ingesting it
there are a SMALL number of cases or oral-oral transfer but ...

so we dont need to read it in the article to "know" that he contacted the virus most likely from his childs feces
if not his childs, SOMEONES feces

which does raise reasonable doubt
this "dad" could have gotten the virus by using any public washroom
picked it up after leaving the restroom ....