If there's anyone that needs to "grow the fark up", it would be the blogger with her room-temperature IQ...

Oh please greenlight this.

I thought that libertarianism was what you get into before you grow up and start actually thinking.

And if you actually liked the book (or claim to), then the best way you can "go John Galt" is by killing yourself.

Most excellent rant. Most excellent.

If anyone knows anything about growing up, it's the "Chancellor of the Sexchequer"

There is no God but Ayn Rynd and John Galt is her prophet.

I really liked the book. :(

The book may not be perfect, but it has some very good ideas and viewpoints in it whether you agree with them or not.

It's kind of like the Bible. Yeah, there's a whole lot of crap in there that I think is nuts, but there are still some good ideas one can take from it.

/I just mentioned the Bible and Ayn Rand in a positive light for the rare Fark troll Double-Whammy. Top that you peasants.

PacersJAM3s: /I just mentioned the Bible and Ayn Rand in a positive light for the rare Fark troll Double-Whammy. Top that you peasants.

Bah, I did that the other day. I'm tired of Libertarians pulling the book out every time there's some big economics problem, particularly if involves poor people, and they get all shocked when someone suggests that the book is really idiotic. For fark's sake, it is nothing more than applied Machiavelli, and you simply cannot have a society that exists only on Machiavellian principles, it will fall apart.

MissFeasance: I really liked the book. :(

and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't start modeling your ideological views around it.

The blogger doesn't really explain what is the Clash of libertarianism.

MissFeasance: I really liked the book. :(

It would be more accurate to say that I appreciated the book and saw what Rand was intending to say...but she really needed an editor. Badly.

That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

kinda sucks, but that's human nature for you. we need to prove to the slobbering idiots that socialism is NEVER the answer. libertarianism is the only solution worth a damn. I guess we'll have to let the socialists, looters and moochers do their thing first and then pick up whatever's left in the aftermath.

PacersJAM3s: Top that you peasants.

Ann Coulter.
Penis gourd.

I read The Fountainhead a few years back.

I love to read, and I will finish anything you put into my hands. I will ready trashy romance novels and intelligent non-fiction books. I enjoy most everything I read.

It took me 2 months to read through that garbage, and when I finally got done with it I threw the book against the wall and screamed at it.

My husband kept telling me that it would be OK if I didn't finish the book, that nobody would know but him and that he wouldn't think less of me for it. He himself would never touch one of those books.

I couldn't let the damn thing beat me, though. Curse you, Ayn Rand, curse you.

thomps: MissFeasance: I really liked the book. :(

and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't start modeling your ideological views around it.

Like the Bible.
Or Dianetics.

Holy fark... fall out boy as an example of "thinking" music?

Bill Frist: Holy fark... fall out boy as an example of "thinking" music?

Oh wait, I misread the headline as "when you grow up" instead of "before you grow up"

NM!

I really liked Atlas Shrugged, and I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

/hates fall out boy
//in a punk band

Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street.

I have to say I sort of agree, but I have absolutely nothing to back that up with.

When you're a barely-literate, stoner college student who regurgitates what your whacked-out college professor who has never worked an honest day in his life says, you are a liberal. This is when you are told it is a good idea to buy a Che shirt. You are told to agree and do so.

OH SNAP! HE TOTALLY JUST OWNED AYN RAND AND FALL OUT BOY! THEY BOTH HAD IT COMING!

Super-Conservatives. What to believe right before you give up all hope and off yourself

Sneakytoes: I thought that libertarianism was what you get into before you grow up and start actually thinking.

Nah, thats Socialism/Communism. I was a big teenage believer in socialism/communism until I went to college. There I learned that people can say whatever they like but people as a whole act out of self-interest the vast majority of the time.

Nemo's Brother: When you're a barely-literate, stoner college student who regurgitates what your whacked-out college professor who has never worked an honest day in his life says, you are a liberal. This is when you are told it is a good idea to buy a Che shirt. You are told to agree and do so.

People this dumb become the biggest GOP cheerleaders by the time they're 30.

Which explains a lot, actually.

Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

Lionel Mandrake: And if you actually liked the book (or claim to), then the best way you can "go John Galt" is by killing yourself.

Most excellent rant. Most excellent.

If this is true, I would highly recommend the AIG executives 'Go John Galt'

Nemo's Brother: When you're a barely-literate, stoner college student who regurgitates what your whacked-out college professor who has never worked an honest day in his life says, you are a liberal. This is when you are told it is a good idea to buy a Che shirt. You are told to agree and do so.

That was the most non-thinking regurgitated piece of crap I've ever read.

destitute college kid: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

destitute college kid: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

whatever... just as long as it's not Truman in his bathtub.

Flibby daba zibby doo cock it and pullit.
or something

PacersJAM3s: The book may not be perfect, but it has some very good ideas and viewpoints in it whether you agree with them or not.

no, it most definitely does not.

sokolnikov: destitute college kid: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

destitute college kid: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

whatever... just as long as it's not Truman in his bathtub.

...meant Taft

Sneakytoes: I thought that libertarianism was what you get into before you grow up and start actually thinking.

VERY true. I've never met an intelligent person who stayed "libertarian" after age 20.

sokolnikov: sokolnikov: destitute college kid: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

destitute college kid: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.

I'd rather follow FDR in a wheelchair than Reagan on a horse.

whatever... just as long as it's not Truman in his bathtub.

...meant Taft

I was wondering what the hell Truman did in a bathtub, why I'd never heard of it as an American history nut, and whether or not I wanted to hear about it.

One thing you learn in college is to hold your tongue until your cognitive skills are more well rounded. Meaning you think before you speak and you don't speak if you aren't thinking. How can this guy expect to be taken serious? I got nothing out of his rant. No comparisons in the book or any other book to back up his point, just a bunch of adolescent whining. It sounds like the book struck a personal note that he is now acting out on so that he can convince others that his belief system is still intact.

sokolnikov: whatever... just as long as it's not Truman in his bathtub.

...meant Taft


So you would follow Truman in a bathtub?

GAT_00:

There is no God but Ayn Rynd and John Galt is her prophet.

Profit.

/ad homonym, attack
/next, I'll send Squirtle

coco ebert: The blogger doesn't really explain what is the Clash of libertarianism.


Or the Sex Pistols.

Weaver95:
That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street. But I think we'll need to go through a much longer period of destruction before we accept that truth.


Oh that's such bullshiat. Wall Street is in flames because of the adherence to business first ideology that called for less government involvement. Had the market been properly regulated, instead of deregulated, this would never have come to pass.

The damage is greater BECAUSE we embraced libertarian ideology.

Bill Frist: I've never met an intelligent person who stayed "libertarian" after age 20.


I doubt you know that many intelligent people. I have never met an actual Libertarian under 30. It is too grown up for most.

MissFeasance: Weaver95: That said, libertarian ideals are pretty much the best hope we've got left if we plan on salvaging anything from the wreckage of wall street.

I have to say I sort of agree, but I have absolutely nothing to back that up with.

we've got a half assed system that's a weird mix of government regulation, corporate manipulation and pandering socialism. government has become less a regulatory agency and more of a protection racket. the legal system isn't entirely corrupt, but it's easy to manipulate - it just takes time and lots of money. Political leaders only care about staying in office, not about doing their jobs (or to be more accurate - they see their job as staying in office). And we've become a society that was Huxley's worst nightmare - more concerned with self indulgence than good order and personal responsiblity.

we'll either learn our lesson or we won't. But we're heading for a fall either way.

Phil Herup: It is too grown up for most.

ahahahahahaha

Bill Frist: ahahahahahaha

The saddest part is that Phil Herup is in his 40s.

Bill Frist: ahahahahahaha



Does little baby need his binky?

I read "Atlas Shrugged", "Das Kapital", and "Walden" all in the same summer and I believe in Anarcho-Libertarian-Natural Capitalist-Volunteerism. So I am getting a kick...

Really though, this is it

FTA "it exists for only two reasons: first, to demonstrate that economic conservatives can be just as annoyingly self-righteous as liberals and religious conservatives, and second, to show you whom you should avoid getting involved in conversations with at parties. I speak from experience here, for I've had the misfortune of running into a few Rand devotees in social settings, and to call them dipshiats would be an insult to both dip and shiat. This is not meant as a slam against libertarians in general, because I've known some very bright ones, but Ayn Rand is to libertarianism what Fall Out Boy is to punk rock: It's what you get into before you grow up and start actually thinking."

Rand is a good starting point but it's not a good place to stop. It's like getting toilet trained by just learning what "shiat" is and not what to do with it or where it goes.

Blind devotion to Rand leaves you coevered with feces and smelling bad and other than some dirty Italian Fascists from 1944-45, no one will want to go near you.

Yankees Team Gynecologist: The saddest part is that Phil Herup is in his 40s.


41 biatch. Keep preaching your collective sheep mentality though.

I wish all those Randians threatening to "Go Galt" would "Go Seppuku" instead and leave the rest of us alone.

Devin172: sokolnikov: whatever... just as long as it's not Truman in his bathtub.

...meant Taft


So you would follow Truman in a bathtub?

sure... that sounds like a Fair Deal.

Devin172: The damage is greater BECAUSE we embraced libertarian ideology.

No, the damage is greater because we DIDN'T embrace libertarian ideology. we were TOLD that leaders kinda/sorta believed in libertarian ideals but they were actually lying to us. They were simply looting the treasury and cooking the books.

we're paying the price for being lazy and believing the lies. we all thought that we could get something for nothing.