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Fabulous.

So how long till God smites Vermont with a big-ass meteor or something?

When will the rest of the country step into the 21st century?

Sweet, good for Vermont.

/Knows this will never happen in his home state unless the federal government does something about it.
//Kentucky Native

Chalk one up for the dictionary.

Conservative butthurt outrage in 3... 2... 1...

Good. I hope that a legislature passing this bill will mean that people won't be as hard core against the action.

I've always been for gay marraige, as long as it was passed either by reforendum or by a vote in the legislature. I have only opposed the courts getting involved.

Sweet. Hopefully Maine will be next. We've got a bill that will pass both houses, and we have a Democratic Governor. He has said he opposes same-sex marriage, but hasn't ruled out signing the bill and has been supportive of other gay rights in the past.

/The Northern New England gay-marriage race is on!

Yeah! Let's celebrate one state in our country entering the 20th century!


I'm more ashamed of my country ever passing day.

Xetal: Conservative butthurt outrage in 3... 2... 1...

Won't happen. They always advocate for states rights. Always. Right?

culebra: Xetal: Conservative butthurt outrage in 3... 2... 1...

Won't happen. They always advocate for states rights. Always. Right?

ha wouldn't it be awesome if they challenged this... at the courts?

PascalsGhost: Yeah! Let's celebrate one state in our country entering the 20th century!


I'm more ashamed of my country ever passing day.

A liberal ashamed of America? Inconceivable!

I wasn't aware Maple Syrup was such a viable lubricant.

kleppe: PascalsGhost: Yeah! Let's celebrate one state in our country entering the 20th century!


I'm more ashamed of my country ever passing day.

A liberal ashamed of America? Inconceivable!

No, a human being ashamed of America. Its a very good thing. Shame begins positive change. If everybody was blindly proud of ever frkked up thing America did, we'd still have slaves you dumbass.

Kill yourself.

Not so fast, Subby. It still has to be approved by the full state Senate and signed by a governor who has stated he opposes it and is giving mixed signals on whether or not he will veto the bill.

I'd like to see full marriage in Vermont, but the stakes aren't quite as high, since it has had civil unions for nearly a decade now and is kind of a unique political culture in America that tends to be ignored a little more other states, like California. Even though Vermont is pretty much equally awesome, though smaller in size. I love Vermont.

/hope the governor considers the impact of gay tourism and competing gay marriage destinations close by in deciding on vetoing this bill - Vermont could get some of the gay tourism dollars currently going to Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island, and of course, Canada.

kleppe: PascalsGhost: Yeah! Let's celebrate one state in our country entering the 20th century!


I'm more ashamed of my country ever passing day.

A liberal ashamed of America? Inconceivable!


I assume then that you never criticize your children, right? Because you love them so much? If you care for something, you want the best for it. For some of us, America is like having a child who shows incredible promise, but is held back too often by their demons.

Very spiffy.

In b4 "People's Republic of Vermont" horseshiat...

shower_in_my_socks: kleppe: PascalsGhost: Yeah! Let's celebrate one state in our country entering the 20th century!


I'm more ashamed of my country ever passing day.

A liberal ashamed of America? Inconceivable!


I assume then that you never criticize your children, right? Because you love them so much? If you care for something, you want the best for it. For some of us, America is like having a child who shows incredible promise, but is held back too often by their demons.

Very eloquent. Well done, sir.

Libertarians FTW

shower_in_my_socks:I assume then that you never criticize your children, right? Because you love them so much? If you care for something, you want the best for it. For some of us, America is like having a child who shows incredible promise, but is held back too often by their demons ignorant twits.
FTFY

/why yes, I do think homophobia is ignorance
//kind of a leap from opposed to gay marriage to homophobia

Wonderful, now can Vermont officially be a part of Canada?

burndtdan: hide the turtles

Over in one.

IronTony: shower_in_my_socks:I assume then that you never criticize your children, right? Because you love them so much? If you care for something, you want the best for it. For some of us, America is like having a child who shows incredible promise, but is held back too often by their demons ignorant twits.
FTFY

/why yes, I do think homophobia is ignorance
//kind of a leap from opposed to gay marriage to homophobia

Why else would one oppose it?

John turned to Larry, sliding the cigarette between his lips to his fingers while feeling the stubble of his chin collect the heated dew of the moment.

"Will I see you again do you think?" he quipped.

"I doubt it," said Larry "We'll always have the Minneapolis Airport's men's room" After a moment, "You are beautiful you know."

John glanced up at the florescent lights and gave a coy yet warming smile before departing.

Had Larry's career in government been worth anything at all? A Senator, and yet, he can't stop thinking of man like John - how wonderful it would be to settle down in a cabin in Vermont. But it wasn't to be.

Idaho was so cold this time of year. His flight was leaving soon.

shower_in_my_socks: I assume then that you never criticize your children, right? Because you love them so much? If you care for something, you want the best for it. For some of us, America is like having a child who shows incredible promise, but is held back too often by their demons.

awesome pwnge

PascalsGhost: Why else would one oppose it?

There are SOME opposed to gay marriage, mind you, it's a very small percentage, negligible in public forum, who believe gay couples should have the same rights as heterosexuals, but without the name marriage for any number of reasons, that really just boil down to calling a violin a fiddle because it's application is slightly different.

I'm horrible with metaphor, just go with it.

This would imperil Vermont marriages, if anyone actually lived there.

I love my native state. Can't wait till I can afford to actually move back there.

Xetal 2009-03-20 07:49:59 PM
Conservative butthurt outrage in 3... 2... 1...

For some reason, I don't think it will be the conservatives suffering from "butthurt."

kleppe: A liberal ashamed of America? Inconceivable!

An abolitionist ashamed of America? You should STFU and GBTW. America has always had slavery, and if you hate slavery you hate America!

I feel sorry for you: In this vast world with infinite subtle nuance and a billion shades in every color, you mindlessly demand that everything be black and white. It hurts me to think how much suffering your brand of willful ignorance causes.

devildog123: I've always been for gay marraige, as long as it was passed either by reforendum or by a vote in the legislature. I have only opposed the courts getting involved.

That's a reasonable position and i'm glad that you are pro gay marriage but dont you think that it's the courts responsibility to strike down laws that are unconstitutional and don't give every one the same rights?

FTFA:
Campbell said marriage is an improvement over civil unions both substantively and as a matter of wording.

On the first score, he said, marriage is more widely legally recognized than civil unions. If a couple from Vermont got into an accident in Kansas, a spouse likely would have a stronger claim to hospital visitation rights if they were married than if they were in a civil union, he said.

Semantically, Campbell argued that if there were no difference, opponents of same-sex marriage would not be so vehement that the term marriage should apply only to heterosexual unions. "Children should be able to say to their friends that their parents are married, and not have to explain what a civil union is," he added.



QFT

/Rock on Vermont
//Three, three states that I can safely live and raise a family in! Three, ah ha ha!

Sir Daniel Fortesque: Wonderful, now can Vermont officially be a part of Canada?

We'd take 'em. And their delicious ice cream and cheese. But I don't think they'd agree to give up their guns or get along well with the whole monarchy concept, because in the end they are too American to really be Canadian, even if a quarter of them are French-Canadians originally. They have been inextricably altered by American republican political philosophy. Being Canadian probably sounds nice to the liberals of Vermont but the political culture they've been steeped in all of their lives is still totally different.

Also they might resist draconian Canadian rules on pronouncing place-names like Montpelier properly, because we would totally enact some. For the love of jebus it's Mon-pell-ee-yay, not Mawnt-pee-lee-er. ARG! Every single Canadian who speaks French is immediately going to lose their sh*t when they encounter the Vermont pronunciations of originally French words, and try to get them to change it to the proper way. It would be war, and Vermont would just re-secede back to America to be done with it.

I'll make a prediction: Assuming the feds stay out of the issue, by 2020, at least 30 (maybe 35) of these Yoo-nited States will allow gay marriage, "or the equivalent." The holdouts will be essentially those states that went Republican in the recent election. The Deep South and the Ignorant West. Those states will then lose most of their homosexual population, which will probably please the preachers, . . . but not the politicians when the 2020 census is enumerated.

hooray

i'm for whatever gets gay marriage legalized, sometimes it's the courts job to drag america kicking and screaming like a child into the future

Sir Daniel Fortesque

I thought Canadia had more guns per capita than America?

Oops that was directed more at you bobbette.

ruthlessliberal: Sweet. Hopefully Maine will be next. We've got a bill that will pass both houses, and we have a Democratic Governor. He has said he opposes same-sex marriage, but hasn't ruled out signing the bill and has been supportive of other gay rights in the past.

/The Northern New England gay-marriage race is on!

Really? Awesome, I might be moving back to Maine in July.

/not gay

IronTony: PascalsGhost: Why else would one oppose it?

There are SOME opposed to gay marriage, mind you, it's a very small percentage, negligible in public forum, who believe gay couples should have the same rights as heterosexuals, but without the name marriage for any number of reasons, that really just boil down to calling a violin a fiddle because it's application is slightly different.

I'm horrible with metaphor, just go with it.

Hmm... separate but equal. Sounds okay to me.

Wait a minute...

To say that there is any legitimate argument against gay marriage is, in and of itself, homophobic. It is NEVER okay to deny rights to the minority simply because the majority has enough votes.

Sirsky

I never said these particular people wanted to deny the rights of gays. You could liken them more to grammar nazis. Annoying little nitpicking buggers, but not ignorant or even hateful. Alliteration and assonance are basically the same thing, but these nuisances would scream and shout and stamp "YOU'RE WRONG!".

I do see your point, and agree with the parallels between the gay rights movement and civil rights movement, but I was simply saying that SOME of these people aren't homophobic.

I think some here are a little confused by the idea of "the majority rules, with minority rights."

If Vermont wants to pass a law allowing same sex marriage, well, that is Vermont's right to do. Unfortunately, that will lead to jane and joy doe moving to a different state and trying to sue for the same recognition as they had in Vermont.

Well, I have no problem for you to do what is fine in Vermont, but you have no right to spread that to states that don't share your view.

jpo2269: Well, I have no problem for you to do what is fine in Vermont, but you have no right to spread that to states that don't share your view.

Only if said state requires every hetero couple that moves there to dissolve their marriage and re-apply for marriage protection

/1 Rule to Rule them all
//Your days are numbered, homophobes

mksmith: I'll make a prediction: Assuming the feds stay out of the issue, by 2020, at least 30 (maybe 35) of these Yoo-nited States will allow gay marriage, "or the equivalent." The holdouts will be essentially those states that went Republican in the recent election. The Deep South and the Ignorant West. Those states will then lose most of their homosexual population, which will probably please the preachers, . . . but not the politicians when the 2020 census is enumerated.

I'll bet you it'll be the law everywhere in a hundred years.

\Just try to collect!

jpo2269: I think some here are a little confused by the idea of "the majority rules, with minority rights."

If Vermont wants to pass a law allowing same sex marriage, well, that is Vermont's right to do. Unfortunately, that will lead to jane and joy doe moving to a different state and trying to sue for the same recognition as they had in Vermont.

Well, I have no problem for you to do what is fine in Vermont, but you have no right to spread that to states that don't share your view.

Spread "that"?
You make it sound like a virus or something.
Heteros marriages are honored in all states regardless of the state they are married in. What's good for the goose....
Tis only fair after all.
Let me guess, you're not interested in fairness.

Lost Thought 00 2009-03-20 09:10:22 PM
jpo2269: Well, I have no problem for you to do what is fine in Vermont, but you have no right to spread that to states that don't share your view.

Only if said state requires every hetero couple that moves there to dissolve their marriage and re-apply for marriage protection

/1 Rule to Rule them all
//Your days are numbered, homophobes

Well given you are advocating something that is not the recognized law of the land, I really am not too concerned. Call me what you want, but I am not afraid of gays... so "homophobe" really doesn't elicit any response from me.

jpo2269:
Well given you are advocating something that is not the recognized law of the land, I really am not too concerned. Call me what you want, but I am not afraid of gays... so "homophobe" really doesn't elicit any response from me.

And yet you respond...

jcooli09 2009-03-20 09:17:31 PM
jpo2269:
Well given you are advocating something that is not the recognized law of the land, I really am not too concerned. Call me what you want, but I am not afraid of gays... so "homophobe" really doesn't elicit any response from me.

And yet you respond

And your point is?