So why haven't they faced military tribunals by now? Why are civilian courts the only way to proceed?

Innocent until proven guilty, I believe, is the standard.

lunchinlewis: Innocent until proven guilty, I believe, is the standard.

Nice theory, lol

"To have a former vice president fearmongering like this is really, really dangerous."

Well, he fearmongered for eight years as a VP, so why would he stop now?

jesus wept
the ONLY good that is coming out of the evil which we did, is that at LEAST some of it is finally seeing the light of day

at LEAST there is some hope that we can admit what we did and try to move on

the terrorist who used to be in power are finally out and the truth has some hope of seeing the light of day

some hope

That's good news because Fox News says the detainees will be living in my back yard.

Where was this budding Earl Warren five years ago? Wimp ass freak.

FireBreathingLiberal
That's good news because Fox News says the detainees will be living in my back yard.

They already sent me a couple. Tonight we're making S'mores!

lunchinlewis: Innocent until proven guilty, I believe, is the standard completely incompatible with the American "justice" system.

Sad but true.

Hey, we've only held innocent people there for 6 or 7 years, apparently.

That's good to know.

"There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

if they weren't terrorists when they went in, then they probably are now.

Sure, not guilty of what they were put in Guantanamo for, but they sure as hell did something.

Weaver95: if they weren't terrorists when they went in, then they probably are now.

Sadly, this. If someone stole 6 years of my life, I'd have some big payback to take care of when I was able.

lunchinlewis: Innocent until proven guilty, I believe, is the standard.

Not in the Post-9/11 world it ain't.

bearsfolks: So why haven't they faced military tribunals by now?




because george bush is stupid AND disorganized.

Why are civilian courts the only way to proceed?


because of this crazy thing called due process of law.

2wolves: Where was this budding Earl Warren five years ago? Wimp ass freak.

Yeah, it seems bizarre to me that this guy thinks some kind of line has finally been crossed by Cheney in recent weeks.
Nevertheless, he is at least coming forward now. Insulting him is not the way to encourage the many others who need to come forward with information about the atrocities committed by the Bush/Cheney administration.


40below: Sure, not guilty of what they were put in Guantanamo for, but they sure as hell did something.

We all troll or say provocative things sometimes, but is there ever an occasion when you don't?

Oh, BTW, a number of the inmates in US Prisons are innocent, so have fun with that.


The only reason I am against the Death Penalty.

40below: Sure, not guilty of what they were put in Guantanamo for

No-one has been put in Guantanamo Bay as a result of being convicted of a crime.

Is the OBVIOUS tag at Gitmo too?

Woah...the anti-American, troop-hating libtards were right...AGAIN.

Weaver95: "There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

if they weren't terrorists when they went in, then they probably are now.

This X 100.

I heard it was like a frat party down there. I don't understand what the problem is. Maybe some of the terrorists would like to go back to Afghanistan so that us Americans can enjoy the Gitmo Country Club.

/I want to go on the water slide

bearsfolks: So why haven't they faced military tribunals by now? Why are civilian courts the only way to proceed?

we should lock up the bush administration at gitmo
hold them for 6-7 years
then let some of them go
but keep the rest because they are a risk to national security and guilty of something, or knowing something about something

sad
so sad

40below: Sure, not guilty of what they were put in Guantanamo for, but they sure as hell did something.

Some of them might even have submitted Fark headlines.

I_C_Weener: Some of them might even have submitted Fark headlines.

I think Fark headlines are submitted by a different group of right-wing, religious, authoritarian fundamentalists.

"There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

I'll take "Doy" for 1000, Alex.

I wish I could turn in some of my lesser liked neighbours for 5 grand each.

patrick767: FireBreathingLiberal
That's good news because Fox News says the detainees will be living in my back yard.

They already sent me a couple. Tonight we're making S'mores!

Lulzy! Marshmallows are made with gelatin from pigs, you know!

eqtworld: I somehow blame Clinton and Obama for this

Classic Carter apologist. You make me sick.

And just so you know, one of our residents is a cannibal. Try to guess, which one.

The answer may surprise you!

doh! I was going to post this link but I took to long trying to figure out a witty headline. Anyways this is news!

What is the number to call to collect your 5 thousand dollars, I think my neighbor is an Al-Qaeda member.

Not surprising at all. We ran into this headache constantly in Iraq.

Can't afford to pay your rent? Think your landlord is a jerk? Tip off the nearest American patrol he's a terrorist.

He will spend about month or two going through the red tape at the Detainee Holding Area at Camp Liberty. If you're lucky, he'll get transferred to Camp Bucca and be out of your hair for at least six months.

Don't like the guy banging your sister? Terrorist.

Want to bang some chick but need to get her husband out of the way first? Terrorist.

Some guy owns a nice store and you don't like the competition? Terrorist.

I_C_Weener: Some of them might even have submitted Fark headlines.

Like 642 of them?

bearsfolks: So why haven't they faced military tribunals by now?

When I read that, I wasn't sure if you were talking about the Gitmo Detainees or Bush administration officials.

Sadly, this will change no ones mind. Everyone mad about Gitmo all ready knows some of them are innocent, and everyone who isn't mad about it is either too apathetic (and this news won't make them less so) or just plain doesn't care that there are innocents imprisoned there because. . . Well, I guess they think it's worth it to hold onto the guilty ones that we can't prove are guilty.

So we just tag and release those back to the wild, right?

40below: Sure, not guilty of what they were put in Guantanamo for, but they sure as hell did something.

Shouldn't you get back to your real life trolling gig?

namatad: jesus wept
the ONLY good that is coming out of the evil which we did, is that at LEAST some of it is finally seeing the light of day

at LEAST there is some hope that we can admit what we did and try to move on

the terrorist who used to be in power are finally out and the truth has some hope of seeing the light of day

some hope

Lol, remember Iran Contra? Anyone who ever gets brought to testify this or any of the other really nasty things the Bush admin did needs to be just a little biatcharismatic and they can make the prosecuters look like witch hunters, torturers look like American heroes, and the Bush Administration look like the best presidential administration ever. And the American people will buy it.

RemyDuron: bearsfolks: So why haven't they faced military tribunals by now?

When I read that, I wasn't sure if you were talking about the Gitmo Detainees or Bush administration officials.

Sadly, this will change no ones mind. Everyone mad about Gitmo all ready knows some of them are innocent, and everyone who isn't mad about it is either too apathetic (and this news won't make them less so) or just plain doesn't care that there are innocents imprisoned there because. . . Well, I guess they think it's worth it to hold onto the guilty ones that we can't prove are guilty.

Sad but true. There are more people than I would like to imagine that feel as though simply being Muslim = terrorist/sympathizer.

FTA:

Wilkerson told the AP in a telephone interview that many detainees "clearly had no connection to al-Qaida and the Taliban and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pakistanis turned many over for $5,000 a head."

Yes. And one suspects that the people who instituted such a policy must have realized, even before they implemented it, that paying people without having strict rules of evidence and accountability would have resulted in the mess that did happen.

Weaver95: "There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

if they weren't terrorists when they went in, then they probably are now.

Somehow I thought, when we started "PreCrime", it would be with a bit more sophisticated basis for predicting the future.

I'm sure if we let'em go they'll just laugh it off anyways. No hard feelings, right guys? *fistbump*

It sure would have been nice had the Bush Administration kept covert stuff, oh I don't know, COVERT?

No, the assholes had to make a farking marketing campaign out of their programs. Instead of getting some Moonie to re-write the Constitution in broad daylight, just do what you gotta do and keep quiet about it. The incompetence with which these programs were applied (and advertised) is far more damaging than anything in the programs.

If we don't just let them go, we're the terrorists.

MorrisBird: If we don't just let them go, we're the terrorists.

But, but, we're a Christian nation, we can't be turrists.

FireBreathingLiberal: That's good news because Fox News says the detainees will be living in my back yard.

And even if they were originally innocent, they're probably rather pissed off by now. Better lock the patio door.

Oh, they were keeping them around so they could use them for information. So really we just gave them a job, and a place to live and three meals a dayi n exchange for work and a lack of freedom.

Hey, we should come up with a word for innocent people we take from thier home countries in order to have them work for us. Can anyone think of a good one?

40below: Sure, not guilty of what they were put in Guantanamo for, but they sure as hell did something.

Beadle: Thank you, your Honor. Just the sentence we wanted.
Judge: Was he guilty?
Beadle: Well, if he didn't do it, he's done something to warrant a hanging!
Judge: What man has not?

So to battle the treat of terrorism, we arrest innocent people from areas where terrorist cells may be prevalent, and invade a country that had nothing to do with the original attack, thereby giving a recruiting tool to new terrorist groups. Brilliant!!

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: So to battle the treat of terrorism, we arrest innocent people from areas where terrorist cells may be prevalent, and invade a country that had nothing to do with the original attack, thereby giving a recruiting tool to new terrorist groups. Brilliant!!


*threat

"Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney fought efforts to address the situation, Wilkerson said, because "to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership."

Who came up with the names for this place?? I think this goes beyond simple propaganda techniques, right into the sadistic.