Hasn't that idiot ever seen Red Dawn?

Look at it this way, submitter - it's our way of making sure all those illegals the Administration doesn't want to stop from coming in from being well-armed when they get here.

Good.

It's an a assault weapons ban, not a "so-called" assault weapons ban. Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress voted for it near unanimously.

Meanwhile, other politicians at other parts of the political spectrum (namely, all of it political spectrum) use Mexican drug violence as an excuse to perpetuate the war on drugs.

kronicfeld: Meanwhile, other politicians at other parts of the political spectrum (namely, all of it political spectrum) use Mexican drug violence as an excuse to perpetuate the war on drugs.

Doesn't mean either are right.

thyocyan: Doesn't mean either are right.

Didn't say it did.

Plenty of people know how to best reduce drug violence. Legalize the whacky weed.

angryjd: It's an a assault weapons ban, not a "so-called" assault weapons ban.

They're "so called" assault weapons because it's just a made up term that doesn't have any concrete definition unless you're talking about a specific piece of legislation.

angryjd: Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress voted for it near unanimously.

The final bill? The omnibus bill? Yes, they did, but they didn't have much support from the Republicans on the actual amendment itself.

angryjd: It's an a assault weapons ban, not a "so-called" assault weapons ban.

Considering how poorly the term was defined and the fact that some weapons were banned solely on the basis of appearance, I think "so-called" is an appropriate qualification of the term.

Nabb1: Considering how poorly the term was defined and the fact that some weapons were banned solely on the basis of appearance, I think "so-called" is an appropriate qualification of the term.

... and that in California an "assault weapon" can be a single-shot rifle.

kronicfeld: Meanwhile, other politicians at other parts of the political spectrum (namely, all of it political spectrum) use Mexican drug violence as an excuse to perpetuate the war on drugs.

One of my good friends is a Trooper with TX DPS. He's deploying for Operation Border Star (bullshiat waste of money for Governor Pretty Hair to flaunt on the campaign trail)and they have had some briefings on cross border gunfire (north bound...it's illegal to return the favor). I told him that if he really wants to see this shiat come to an end, it needs to be legalized. Now he and I have not seen eye to eye on this subject at all...but I think he's starting to see where I am coming from.

Because Mexico has done such a good job honoring our immigration laws.

hello and welcome to last week.

hit em in the pocketbook.
take the money from taxing it and use it for more border security and drug rehabilitation programs.

If they legalized pot they'd do more to fight this than banning certain kinds weapons. It's not like the people doing highly illegal things will read the news and say "well, I was going to bring my A.K. 47 on the kidnapping run, but they are illegal now. Manuel, break out the .30-06" but, make them compete with 7-11 and it will take a huge chunk out of their sales.

Nabb1: Considering how poorly the term was defined and the fact that some weapons were banned solely on the basis of appearance, I think "so-called" is an appropriate qualification of the term.

Assault weapon = any semi-automatic weapon that scares a liberal.

/That's about the most accurate definition I've heard

Dear Holder,

Why not use this as an opportunity to decriminalize marijuana instead?

Signed,

Rationality and sanity.

If the current world financial fiasco has shown anything it's that you can NOT rely on government to maintain your best interests.

MasterThief: Nabb1: Considering how poorly the term was defined and the fact that some weapons were banned solely on the basis of appearance, I think "so-called" is an appropriate qualification of the term.

Assault weapon = any semi-automatic weapon that scares a liberal.

/That's about the most accurate definition I've heard

There was a sale at Home Despot for broad brushes?

Get over yourselves, not ever Liberal is anti-firearms.

I don't know the exact number, but a HUGE percentage (like 90%) of all guns used in the recent Mexican violence are traced back to American gun shops.

So this makes sense, you knee-jerk guntard.

angryjd: It's an a assault weapons ban, not a "so-called" assault weapons ban. Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress voted for it near unanimously.

It's a "so called" "ban" on "so called" "assault" "weapons".

thyocyan: kronicfeld: Meanwhile, other politicians at other parts of the political spectrum (namely, all of it political spectrum) use Mexican drug violence as an excuse to perpetuate the war on drugs.

Doesn't mean either are right.

But he'll support the wrong on his side as long as wrong exists anywhere. He is a sheep.

Obdicut: Dear Holder,

Why not use this as an opportunity to decriminalize marijuana instead?

Signed,

Rationality and sanity.

It's time for a "Marijuana Hamsterdam."

/PANDEMIC!
//SPIDERBAGS!
///WMD!!!

Can we finally build that wall and start deporting illegals and heavily penalizing those who employ them? The majority have wanted this for years.

hassenpfeffer: I don't know the exact number, but a HUGE percentage (like 90%) of all guns used in the recent Mexican violence are traced back to American gun shops.

So this makes sense, you knee-jerk guntard.

First of all, bullshiat.

Second of all, the assault weapon ban bans guns for cosmetic reasons.

Second of all, bullshiat again.

There are more than enough illegal guns and bullets out there to keep the drug war going for another thirty years. And the drug war can make legal guns illegal-- if you make guns harder to sell, they'll just be stolen with greater frequency.

Banning guns now is not going to work. It's not going to work at all. There are many other, more sane, more rational, and actually workable solutions.

/hates guns.

Obdicut: Dear Holder,

Why not use this as an opportunity to decriminalize marijuana instead?

Signed,

Rationality and sanity.


You are clearly in the wrong place, sir/madam.

NYZooMan: If the current world financial fiasco has shown anything it's that you can NOT rely on government to maintain your best interests.

I dunno. I like my food clean, I like my water clean, I like my roads paved, I like my home built well, I like my right to worship how I choose, I like my right to say so.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't - till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.
"They've a temper, some of them - particularly verbs, they're the proudest - adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs - however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Liberal checking in here.

Would the old NATO weapon of choice (FN .762 Rifle) be counted as an "assault weapon" under these rules?

Had a pistol grip, and could hold ?15/?22/?not enough rounds in the magazine.

hassenpfeffer: I don't know the exact number, but a HUGE percentage (like 90%) of all guns used in the recent Mexican violence are traced back to American gun shops.

So this makes sense, you knee-jerk guntard.

And how did they get there? Illegals getting guns and bringing them back across the border to sell?

good

/hopes hand guns are next.
//hopes Holder will maybe start investigating the boys over at AIG.

Well, at least there's a tie to reality in this -- I've read numerous articles that say that a bunch of their nasty guns are being smuggled into Mexico from the US. If you can't buy them here, then they'll have to get them from somewhere else.

Which of course, they will do. They're buying grenade launchers/RPGs, grenades, and all sorts of other nasty military-grade shiznit right now too, so obviously they've got some serious black market suppliers, and that stuff is apparently not coming through here, it's coming through Central America.

Oh, wait, we supplied a lot of that stuff to the Central American countries in the name of fighting communism in puny little countries. Whoops! Our bad!

Just legalize it and tax it already and stop wasting all this money on trying to stop it. If it wasn't pretty much death politically to introduce it (and you can partly thank the Republican's fundie base that they kowtow to for that, but also groups like MADD, who would go absolutely berserk if we ever seriously floated the idea in Congress), someone probably would have done it by now. Maybe if the economy turns around and Obama is absurdly popular in 2012, he could bring it about in a second term?

*Middle finger to Holder and Obama Administration*

Nemo's Brother: thyocyan: kronicfeld: Meanwhile, other politicians at other parts of the political spectrum (namely, all of it political spectrum) use Mexican drug violence as an excuse to perpetuate the war on drugs.

Doesn't mean either are right.

But he'll support the wrong on his side as long as wrong exists anywhere. He is a sheep.

That's not quite fair. If I am offered two meals, one a little cold and the other drenched in manure, I'm gonna eat the cold one. I could not eat either, but eventually I'm going to starve. Politics is about practicality as well as ideologically. Yes, I am mad about the Assault Weapons ban, but I am glad Obama is in charge when it comes to the economy and foreign policy, I'd rather that be done well (and some chance of gay rights and evened, pipedream, saner drug laws), than have a president I didn't agree with in those areas who agreed with me on the assault weapons ban.

It's called "not being a one issue voter" and it isn't intellectually dishonest.

This is a bad sign. Appears now that we are onto the democrats for making HEDGE FUNDS with CDO's that bet against the American people's savings and investments that they would take the bad loans given to them freely by the corrupt banks and mortgage brokers who were overpaid by the Hedge Funds, who then collapsed the economy by removing the 70 year old Uptick law for stock sales, crashed the stock market, took trillions of your 401k money, foreclosed on your homes, ran off with your money and funded the new power in the White House, who is now saying NO GUNS because they know when everyone discovers what they did, the Tea Parties will become revolutions and a new civil war could begin in America. So they want to ban any guns now so no one can fight what they are doing. They are taking away all of our rights and freedom and money.

I want names of those predatory lenders who orchestrated this whole "crisis" to take all the taxpayers money, future money and potential to work to earn more money by crashing the system.

I'm sure all those Mexican drug lords are using single-action firearms to enforce their reign of terror.

Now, if we'd only outlaw machine guns, we'd -- oh wait.

2wolves: MasterThief: Nabb1: Considering how poorly the term was defined and the fact that some weapons were banned solely on the basis of appearance, I think "so-called" is an appropriate qualification of the term.

Assault weapon = any semi-automatic weapon that scares a liberal.

/That's about the most accurate definition I've heard

There was a sale at Home Despot for broad brushes?

Get over yourselves, not ever Liberal is anti-firearms.

True, but the definition is based more on appearance than actual output. Liberals are afraid of banana clips, for example.

7.62fark! Talk about missing the (decimal) point

Nemo's Brother: Can we finally build that wall and start deporting illegals and heavily penalizing those who employ them? The majority have wanted this for years.

It's being done in Arizona right now. The results are not what you'd expect- companies are no longer hiring, they are shipping the jobs over the border. The wall has slowed them down in some places (like Yuma) but they've accelerated in others.

Walls won't stop them. The laws have too many loopholes and deportation isn't working, either. What else do you have?

Rann Xerox: Obdicut: Dear Holder,

Why not use this as an opportunity to decriminalize marijuana instead?

Signed,

Rationality and sanity.

It's time for a "Marijuana Hamsterdam."

/PANDEMIC!
//SPIDERBAGS!
///WMD!!!

I hear the WMD is the bomb.

/But Holder is anti-marijuana, unfortunately.

That's ok, bolt action rifles were good enough to earn the John F. Kennedy seal of approval.

Hoopido: hassenpfeffer: I don't know the exact number, but a HUGE percentage (like 90%) of all guns used in the recent Mexican violence are traced back to American gun shops.

So this makes sense, you knee-jerk guntard.

And how did they get there? Illegals getting guns and bringing them back across the border to sell?

Perhaps the Mexican border patrol could round them up.

In before "gun grabber".

Obdicut: First of all, bullshiat.

Second of all, the assault weapon ban bans guns for cosmetic reasons.

Second of all, bullshiat again.

There are more than enough illegal guns and bullets out there to keep the drug war going for another thirty years. And the drug war can make legal guns illegal-- if you make guns harder to sell, they'll just be stolen with greater frequency.

Banning guns now is not going to work. It's not going to work at all. There are many other, more sane, more rational, and actually workable solutions.

Right, though it does eliminate the current cheap "path of least resistance". But legalization would do a hell of a lot more. And is easier to implement. And makes the government money instead of costing money.

If people want to get baked out of their gourd and lose motivation and what not, let 'em. We already have DUI laws that cover driving while high. And hey, maybe Phish will make a comeback since they'll have a way bigger audience!

/non-stoner who actually liked Phish

The government can suck a big dick.

hassenpfeffer: I don't know the exact number, but a HUGE percentage (like 90%) of all guns used in the recent Mexican violence are traced back to American gun shops.

Why do you think drugs are being sold for such high prices and attract criminal enterprises?

GQueue
Oh, wait, we supplied a lot of that stuff to the Central American countries in the name of fighting communism in puny little countries. Whoops! Our bad!

Luckily AK-47s grow like mangos in the wilds of El Salvador and RPGs can be found with casual walks along the beaches of Nicaragua

MasterThief: Nabb1: Considering how poorly the term was defined and the fact that some weapons were banned solely on the basis of appearance, I think "so-called" is an appropriate qualification of the term.

Assault weapon = any semi-automatic weapon that scares a liberal.

/That's about the most accurate definition I've heard

"Terrorist" = any dark-skinned person that frightens a conservative.

So all of those people who ran to the gun stores after election day to buy the stuff that would be affected by the assault weapons ban were on to something after all.

RemyDuron: /But Holder is anti-marijuana, unfortunately.

I wonder how much it hurt him to have to announce that busting pot farms was no longer going to happen on the Federal level?

GQueue: Right, though it does eliminate the current cheap "path of least resistance".

Only for known felons who lack a fake ID. It's typical black-market economics. As difficult as you make it is how profitable you make it. So it should be reserved for things that actually have a large effect-- like passports.